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The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BostonCard - 07-10-2020
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-10/why-isn-t-california-criticized-like-florida-on-covid-19
Sadly true. Newsom did pretty well early in the pandemic to not become New York. He was more aggressive closing down with fewer cases and fatalities, and as a consequence California was hit less hard than other states in New York.
Then again, he has responded to pressure to reopen and has been slow to reverse the reopening in response to rising case counts. As a consequence, unfortunately California, along with Texas and Florida, each recorded new daily record deaths due to COVID-19.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - Goose - 07-10-2020
(07-10-2020, 02:47 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-10/why-isn-t-california-criticized-like-florida-on-covid-19Bloomberg article is great. They should have added the Cuomo de Blasio clash as well. One thing Newsom did NOT mess up on is that he didn't prevent the Counties from being more strict than the State was. It may be that California law is such that he can't do that anyway, but I simply can't imagine why any Governor would do such a thing. Obviously many have. It is just stupid. There is no political downside. If the County health department is willing to take the heat, let them.
Sadly true. Newsom did pretty well early in the pandemic to not become New York. He was more aggressive closing down with fewer cases and fatalities, and as a consequence California was hit less hard than other states in New York.
Then again, he has responded to pressure to reopen and has been slow to reverse the reopening in response to rising case counts. As a consequence, unfortunately California, along with Texas and Florida, each recorded new daily record deaths due to COVID-19.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - lex24 - 07-11-2020
(07-10-2020, 03:16 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-10-2020, 02:47 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-10/why-isn-t-california-criticized-like-florida-on-covid-19Bloomberg article is great. They should have added the Cuomo de Blasio clash as well. One thing Newsom did NOT mess up on is that he didn't prevent the Counties from being more strict than the State was. It may be that California law is such that he can't do that anyway, but I simply can't imagine why any Governor would do such a thing. Obviously many have. It is just stupid. There is no political downside. If the County health department is willing to take the heat, let them.
Sadly true. Newsom did pretty well early in the pandemic to not become New York. He was more aggressive closing down with fewer cases and fatalities, and as a consequence California was hit less hard than other states in New York.
Then again, he has responded to pressure to reopen and has been slow to reverse the reopening in response to rising case counts. As a consequence, unfortunately California, along with Texas and Florida, each recorded new daily record deaths due to COVID-19.
BC
Funny, one of my beefs is that County Health Directors rule the roost. I want to see that change. I believe it should be elected officials setting forth the orders. They have accountability to their constituents. Certainly the Bd of Supes for the county should be listening to the county health directors and maybe just rubberstamping what they’re saying. But at least we have the ability to voice our pleasure or displeasure at the ballot box.
BTW- It’s incredibly easy to say these States reopened too early. But what was the right time. This appears likely to be with us for quite awhile. If the lockdowns continued another 6 months, there may not have been much left to reopen to. Plus it’s not big business that was hurt the most economically. Nor is it the wealthy. It’s those living paycheck to paycheck. Independent contractors in the service industry. Etc.
Also a question. Georgia was one of the early states to reopen. But I don’t believe it has had the big uptick. Am I wrong. If I’m not, are there theories as to why?
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BobK - 07-11-2020
In my county the head of the Board of Supervisors once again stated wearing a mask is very harmful to the wearer. Sorry Lex give me medical advice every time
lex24 - lex24 - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 06:00 PM)BobK Wrote: In my county the head of the Board of Supervisors once again stated wearing a mask is very harmful to the wearer. Sorry Lex give me medical advice every time
Bob - you got the medical advice. And you can vote out the head of your Board. Placer?
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - OutsiderFan - 07-11-2020
Georgia is 1/4 the population of California. Georgia has 1/3 CA’s reported cases, and they are now exploding.
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - Genuine Realist - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 06:26 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Georgia is 1/4 the population of California. Georgia has 1/3 CA’s reported cases, and they are now exploding.They're exploding NOW. . . but so are a number of States that did not reopen, e.g. Oregon and (I believe) Washington. If some States reopened too early, others may have underestimated the degree of public fatigue.
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - burger - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 06:00 PM)BobK Wrote: In my county the head of the Board of Supervisors once again stated wearing a mask is very harmful to the wearer. Sorry Lex give me medical advice every time
Bob, didn't you say you were in Placer County? Maybe it's time to move down to Sacramento County. It's a little (okay, a lot) flatter, but at least the leadership is sane :)
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BostonCard - 07-11-2020
Worth noting that Trump wore a mask at Walter Reed today. I hope that his followers who take a cue from him do so, and that mask wearing improves.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - M T - 07-12-2020
(07-11-2020, 06:53 PM)burger Wrote: Maybe it's time to move down to Sacramento County. It's a little (okay, a lot) flatter, but at least the leadership is sane :)
sane???? The Sacramento Sheriff publicly said that the county will not enforce the state's face mask order "due to the minor nature of the offense".
flatter???? Sacramento County is now on the state's monitor list for too many new cases too fast, AND for being down to 16% of their ICU beds available.
Placer County is on it for a surge in hospitalizations and low (18%) ICU beds available, but at least their new cases aren't happening as fast as Sacramento County.
There will be 79(and climbing...up 12 this week) fewer votes against that sheriff next time he's up for election. (For comparison, Sac. Co. had 134 traffic-related deaths in 2018. No doubt the minor nature of COVID-19 will outstrip drunk driving and speeding for 2020.)
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - chrisk - 07-12-2020
(07-11-2020, 05:51 PM)lex24 Wrote:DisneyWorld reopened last week even though cases in Florida are setting new national records. Meanwhile, Disneyland was going to open July 17 but has been indefinitely postponed. Shouldn’t local officials, elected or appointed, met some set of minimum national standards? Irresponsible people from around the country are traveling to Florida now and will be fueling more spread when they return to their home states.(07-10-2020, 03:16 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-10-2020, 02:47 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-10/why-isn-t-california-criticized-like-florida-on-covid-19Bloomberg article is great. They should have added the Cuomo de Blasio clash as well. One thing Newsom did NOT mess up on is that he didn't prevent the Counties from being more strict than the State was. It may be that California law is such that he can't do that anyway, but I simply can't imagine why any Governor would do such a thing. Obviously many have. It is just stupid. There is no political downside. If the County health department is willing to take the heat, let them.
Sadly true. Newsom did pretty well early in the pandemic to not become New York. He was more aggressive closing down with fewer cases and fatalities, and as a consequence California was hit less hard than other states in New York.
Then again, he has responded to pressure to reopen and has been slow to reverse the reopening in response to rising case counts. As a consequence, unfortunately California, along with Texas and Florida, each recorded new daily record deaths due to COVID-19.
BC
Funny, one of my beefs is that County Health Directors rule the roost. I want to see that change. I believe it should be elected officials setting forth the orders. They have accountability to their constituents. Certainly the Bd of Supes for the county should be listening to the county health directors and maybe just rubberstamping what they’re saying. But at least we have the ability to voice our pleasure or displeasure at the ballot box.
BTW- It’s incredibly easy to say these States reopened too early. But what was the right time. This appears likely to be with us for quite awhile. If the lockdowns continued another 6 months, there may not have been much left to reopen to. Plus it’s not big business that was hurt the most economically. Nor is it the wealthy. It’s those living paycheck to paycheck. Independent contractors in the service industry. Etc.
Also a question. Georgia was one of the early states to reopen. But I don’t believe it has had the big uptick. Am I wrong. If I’m not, are there theories as to why?
Do we want people who are running for re-election at whatever level to be setting health policy? On the national level, we have an example why that should not be the case.
There is a reason why county health directors were given authority to make health decisions.
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BostonCard - 07-12-2020
(07-11-2020, 05:51 PM)lex24 Wrote: BTW- It’s incredibly easy to say these States reopened too early. But what was the right time. This appears likely to be with us for quite awhile. If the lockdowns continued another 6 months, there may not have been much left to reopen to. Plus it’s not big business that was hurt the most economically. Nor is it the wealthy. It’s those living paycheck to paycheck. Independent contractors in the service industry. Etc.
No, states did not reopen to early; they reopened too quickly. The harm to those businesses from reopening, and then having to re-close (or having people simply avoid them out of fear) outweighs the damage that would have happened had they slowed the pace of reopening.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - Goose - 07-12-2020
(07-12-2020, 12:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote: No, states did not reopen to early; they reopened too quickly. The harm to those businesses from reopening, and then having to re-close (or having people simply avoid them out of fear) outweighs the damage that would have happened had they slowed the pace of reopening.Totally agree. Many jurisdictions moved ahead before they really knew what the results of the previous stage had been. That said, there were jurisdictions (LA County for example) that never did get their situation under control. Those jurisdictions should have opted-out until they were in at least a credible position to control the disease.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BostonCard - 07-12-2020
Also, the virus doesn't care if you think it's a hoax.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/11/texas-patient-30-dies-after-attending-covid-party-doctor-says/5422175002/
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - OutsiderFan - 07-12-2020
I would ask anyone seeking hospital care if they went to a Covid party. If they say yes, tell them they will have to care for themselves because they clearly know more than medical professionals who would be caring for them in hospital.
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BostonCard - 07-12-2020
(07-12-2020, 07:33 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I would ask anyone seeking hospital care if they went to a Covid party. If they say yes, tell them they will have to care for themselves because they clearly know more than medical professionals who would be caring for them in hospital.
Medicine just doesn't work that way, and thank god. There's enough sanctimony in the world; we don't need doctors deciding only to treat COVID-19 patients who got it for "acceptable" reasons.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - Genuine Realist - 07-12-2020
I hate to be constantly iconoclastic, but I doubt that there is any such thing as a Covid-19 party. Read to the third or fourth paragraph of these reports, and you learn that it's all reports, e.g. the Alabama authorities have been investigating and can't find anyone who actually attended such an event.
And I REALLY doubt that any 30 year old male died after attending such a non event, particularly with the cautionary last words that he thought the virus was a hoax. I remember similar tales about LSD back in the day.
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - 82 Card - 07-12-2020
It's not surprising that almost no one says they've actually seen a COVID party. When we were in camp and the counselors started asking around about booze in the camp, none of us had seen anything either. Sometimes hard to spit that denial out believably while nursing a hangover. A deathbed confession of having gone to a COVID party seems like about as good evidence as you're likely to get of the existence of at least one such party. Seems unlikely that it's the only one.
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - BostonCard - 07-12-2020
(07-12-2020, 10:12 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote: I hate to be constantly iconoclastic, but I doubt that there is any such thing as a Covid-19 party. Read to the third or fourth paragraph of these reports, and you learn that it's all reports, e.g. the Alabama authorities have been investigating and can't find anyone who actually attended such an event.
And I REALLY doubt that any 30 year old male died after attending such a non event, particularly with the cautionary last words that he thought the virus was a hoax. I remember similar tales about LSD back in the day.
Could be, the story does have a bit of "truthiness" to it. Entirely possible that "COVID parties" are something that sounds like it could be true, but isn't.
BC
RE: The virus doesn't discriminate by party affiliation - M T - 07-13-2020
I believe the doctor in San Antonio is telling the truth as she knows it (she reports two statements by the patient as reported by his nurse). The report is from the Chief Medical Officer of the hospital. The earliest I see the news report is before sunrise on July 10, indicating it was first made public late on July 9. The demographic data for the county indicates 3 30-39yo had died as of July 7 and that 5 30-39yo had died as of July 11. So there are two deaths of people in that age group in that time frame.
San Antonio (Bexar County) has had an excessive number of deaths in the last few days. In the 5 days, from July 6 to July 11, there were 47 deaths (total 184). (One day was high enough that I wonder if it was a backlog.) The county's population is approximately the same as Santa Clara County (just under 2M).