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There will be no college football [playoff] this season - JustAnotherFan - 08-05-2020
UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
RE: There will be no college football this season - needle - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
Just because people like to say it, doesn't mean it's true. I agree that the odds seem to grow longer by the day, but there remain tremendous financial incentives for many to play some games.
The Sun Belt, of all conferences, apparently is eager to be a canary in the coal mine and yesterday announced they plan to have league games on Labor Day weekend. I definitely could see the Power 5 leaders hopeful for a season waiting to see how those games fare before giving up on the idea of big-time football this fall.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sun-belt-football-plans-8-conference-games-up-to-4-nonconference-games-161127474.html
RE: There will be no college football this season - JustAnotherFan - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 10:44 AM)needle Wrote:(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
Just because people like to say it, doesn't mean it's true. I agree that the odds seem to grow longer by the day, but there remain tremendous financial incentives for many to play some games.
The Sun Belt, of all conferences, apparently is eager to be a canary in the coal mine and yesterday announced they plan to have league games on Labor Day weekend. I definitely could see the Power 5 leaders hopeful for a season waiting to see how those games fare before giving up on the idea of big-time football this fall.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sun-belt-football-plans-8-conference-games-up-to-4-nonconference-games-161127474.html
I could see maybe a couple of games played at the beginning of the year as people try to force a season to happen. But when teams have to quarantine for 14 days and miss out on two games it's going to become apparent that it is a futile effort. Maybe they'll declare the team that won both of their games the league champ over the one who went 3-1 based on win percentage.
RE: There will be no college football this season - teejers1 - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
I suspect you're correct but UConn in a particularly untenable positoin: an independent w/o the draw/interest of ND (and ND aligned with ACC for football this season). In other words, I don't think P5 schools will say "UConn packed it in, so that's it for all of us" (even if they may get there eventually). There is a lot more at stake for P5 schools.
RE: There will be no college football this season - needle - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 02:43 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
I suspect you're correct but UConn in a particularly untenable positoin: an independent w/o the draw/interest of ND (and ND aligned with ACC for football this season). In other words, I don't think P5 schools will say "UConn packed it in, so that's it for all of us" (even if they may get there eventually). There is a lot more at stake for P5 schools.
The Big 10 announced today they will be playing on Labor Day weekend. I guess this is the "right" move if you are intent on pulling off a full season (two scheduled byes when make-up games might be played). It seems foolishly optimistic, though the conference in making the announcement also said they could still push back the start date to later in September.
https://sports.yahoo.com/big-ten-football-season-set-begin-labor-day-141617537--ncaaf.html
RE: There will be no college football this season - chrisk - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 03:32 PM)needle Wrote:(08-05-2020, 02:43 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
I suspect you're correct but UConn in a particularly untenable positoin: an independent w/o the draw/interest of ND (and ND aligned with ACC for football this season). In other words, I don't think P5 schools will say "UConn packed it in, so that's it for all of us" (even if they may get there eventually). There is a lot more at stake for P5 schools.
The Big 10 announced today they will be playing on Labor Day weekend. I guess this is the "right" move if you are intent on pulling off a full season (two scheduled byes when make-up games might be played). It seems foolishly optimistic, though the conference in making the announcement also said they could still push back the start date to later in September.
https://sports.yahoo.com/big-ten-football-season-set-begin-labor-day-141617537--ncaaf.html
The Big Ten has set up the schedule to allow the first two weeks of the season to rolled into the middle and the end of the season.
RE: There will be no college football this season - lex24 - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 02:43 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
I suspect you're correct but UConn in a particularly untenable positoin: an independent w/o the draw/interest of ND (and ND aligned with ACC for football this season). In other words, I don't think P5 schools will say "UConn packed it in, so that's it for all of us" (even if they may get there eventually). There is a lot more at stake for P5 schools.
UConn was awful last year iirc. Still, I agree there won’t be a season. And I don’t think there should be one.
RE: There will be no college football this season - JustAnotherFan - 08-06-2020
(08-05-2020, 03:32 PM)needle Wrote:(08-05-2020, 02:43 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-05-2020, 06:29 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: UConn becomes first FBS team to cancel football season due to coronavirus.I suspect you're correct but UConn in a particularly untenable positoin: an independent w/o the draw/interest of ND (and ND aligned with ACC for football this season). In other words, I don't think P5 schools will say "UConn packed it in, so that's it for all of us" (even if they may get there eventually). There is a lot more at stake for P5 schools.
The dominoes continue to fall. There will be no college football this year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29600577/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-team-cancel-football-season-due-coronavirus
The Big 10 announced today they will be playing on Labor Day weekend. I guess this is the "right" move if you are intent on pulling off a full season (two scheduled byes when make-up games might be played). It seems foolishly optimistic, though the conference in making the announcement also said they could still push back the start date to later in September.
https://sports.yahoo.com/big-ten-football-season-set-begin-labor-day-141617537--ncaaf.html
I just looked at the schedule, and it is clear that it will be hard to impossible to be able to get all the games in if there are team quarantines. I looked at Illinois' schedule (granted, no chance of actually winning their Division, normally) and if they miss their first two games they cannot play all of their games. Their scheduled bye weeks don't match up with others. Also, a late season quarantine would destroy any hopes of getting in all the games even if it were theoretically possible to make a season happen. They should just move the Conference championship back to mid-December if they want to have a prayer of getting a full season in with makeup games. Or they need to figure out a way to determine Division champs with numerous missed games. Do they go by winning percentage knowing that not all teams will play the same number of games? Imagine a clearly superior Ohio State team losing out to a Penn State team for the Division because Ohio State had an aggressive approach to playing games leaving them with a 7-1 record (losing to Michigan but Michigan failed to show up for their games against Minnesota and Michigan State) while Penn State only plays 4 games but wins them all (Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland). Penn State all of a sudden conveniently has an outbreak before their game against Ohio State. Does PSU go on to play .... Nebraska in the conference championship game?
They should just pull the plug.
RE: There will be no college football this season - M T - 08-06-2020
I get that these schools, including Stanford, are setting up these schedules so they could play the games if conditions allow.
But, of course, the existence of these schedules will be impacting others. What about vendors ordering hot dogs on the basis of the schedule? What about the players & coaches & staff that will have to go through the exposures at practices? What about employees expecting to work based on the schedules, rather than finding some other job that has a better chance of happening.
Some of the discussions here center about conference champions & such. I think the schools (& NCAA) should ask themselves, what is the purpose of the proposed games? Is it TV money? Is it "because the athletes have worked toward this for years"? Is it so the coaches get paid? Is it for "bragging rights"? Is it so the 2020 (conference) championship slot will have a team's name by it? Is it because the schools want to tell their football fans (and donors) that "We tried."
Now, for their goals, how many games need to be played? How much risk is put on the players, coaches, staff, and other employees (the guy hawking hot dogs in the stands, etc.) to achieve that?
If I were in charge, I'd certainly be discussing football season potentially happening in the spring. That is, if it actually happening was part of my goals.
RE: There will be no college football this season - BostonCard - 08-06-2020
A majority of fans think the season should be postponed or cancelled.
https://morningconsult.com/2020/08/03/coronavirus-sports-polling-2020-season-nfl-college-football-mlb/
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BC
RE: There will be no college football this season - Farm93 - 08-06-2020
(08-06-2020, 08:09 AM)BostonCard Wrote: A majority of fans think the season should be postponed or cancelled.With the USA government and USA citizens views on economy vs health coupled with the realities of contagious diseases it is not realistic to believe January-April will be better than Aug-Nov for COVID. Therefore postpone now would just mean cancel later.
https://morningconsult.com/2020/08/03/coronavirus-sports-polling-2020-season-nfl-college-football-mlb/
BC
I can only guess that the administrators in the Power5 conferences know this too. May explain why they are trying so hard to plow forward with any form of a TV...errr...football season. Looks like Pac-12 and BigTen student athletes are doing enough to raise awareness of the risk-benefit reality of the drive for TV revenue, so I suspect we will see a postpone soon and cancel in late December type future.
RE: There will be no college football this season - BostonCard - 08-06-2020
It is possible that a vaccine will be available by early next year and that it can be made available to athletes pretty early (hundreds of millions of doses are being prepared "at risk" before the vaccine is proven effective so that they can be ready pretty soon after approval. The issue is more one of distribution, but coordinating administration to a football team shouldn't be too challenging.
BC
RE: There will be no college football this season - Farm93 - 08-06-2020
(08-06-2020, 12:55 PM)BostonCard Wrote: It is possible that a vaccine will be available by early next year and that it can be made available to athletes pretty early (hundreds of millions of doses are being prepared "at risk" before the vaccine is proven effective so that they can be ready pretty soon after approval. The issue is more one of distribution, but coordinating administration to a football team shouldn't be too challenging.My guess is POTUS46 would prioritize people a bit more important to national security, economic growth and public health.
BC
Healthcare workers
Military
Teachers
Essential workers
Elderly
and much, much, much later....college students including college student-athletes.
It will be amazing if college athletes are getting a vaccine in February, but I tend to doubt all D1 NCAA athletes would get the vaccine that early. No way only FBS football players get the vaccine early since that would not align with the spirit of Title IX.
Good to hope for that vaccine scenario, but I fear the USA government's only plan for early 2021 is that same rosy vaccine scenario.
RE: There will be no college football this season - BostonCard - 08-06-2020
Given the availability of testing to NBA players in March, when testing was hard to come by for millions of Americans, I have a feeling that the actual priority list will look like:
National security decision makers
Lawmakers
Healthcare workers
Military
Billionaires and other connected people
Athletes (pro first, then football, basketball, and other collegiate revenue generating athletes)
Elderly and other vulnerable populations
Essential workers
Teachers
Everyone else
BC
RE: There will be no college football this season - fullmetal - 08-06-2020
Individual college and NFL players are already opting out of their seasons. It's not many as of right now, but there will surely be more.
RE: There will be no college football this season - teejers1 - 08-06-2020
(08-06-2020, 02:26 PM)fullmetal Wrote: Individual college and NFL players are already opting out of their seasons. It's not many as of right now, but there will surely be more.
I am most impressed by NFL players opting out, well, except for those who are set financially (akin to Buster). The players have a very limited window in which to make $$. Moreover, the physical safety risk to them is low; and assuming they are not living with an elderly parent/grandparent, the risk to heir household is low, too.
I also wonder if the medical attention they get outside of football is as good as inside of football (have to believe that players - and their families? - get pretty good medical attention inside the program). Bottom line: I hope from a safety standpoint, they are evaluating their competing scenarios properly. But they should know best, and they are the ones who should make the decision, so good for them.
BTW, do you think any of those "holding out" in NFL are unhappy with their contractual situation? As I've stated numerous times here and elsewhere, the NFL rookie contract restrictions are ridiculous and ==> a lot of unhappy, underpaid players. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
RE: There will be no college football this season - dabigv13 - 08-06-2020
(08-06-2020, 05:21 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Moreover, the physical safety risk to them is low;
I don't think this is quite correct. Yes, they are much less likely to die of the disease (though our ICU has seen several patients in their 20s and 30s). But we know even asymptomatic survivors have notable heart inflammation whose long term significance is unknown, and plenty of patients have prolonged fatigue and shortness of breath.
For a professional athlete who relies on their physical health, these are important considerations. Sacrifice one year while a vaccine is developed, versus potentially losing your entire career if you have a bad case and develop cardiomyopathy or lose lung capacity.
I suspect this would be relatively uncommon for pro athletes, but if 60% of players got it, it would certainly affect some of their careers.
RE: There will be no college football this season - teejers1 - 08-06-2020
(08-06-2020, 05:37 PM)dabigv13 Wrote:(08-06-2020, 05:21 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Moreover, the physical safety risk to them is low;
I don't think this is quite correct. Yes, they are much less likely to die of the disease (though our ICU has seen several patients in their 20s and 30s). But we know even asymptomatic survivors have notable heart inflammation whose long term significance is unknown, and plenty of patients have prolonged fatigue and shortness of breath.
For a professional athlete who relies on their physical health, these are important considerations. Sacrifice one year while a vaccine is developed, versus potentially losing your entire career if you have a bad case and develop cardiomyopathy or lose lung capacity.
I suspect this would be relatively uncommon for pro athletes, but if 60% of players got it, it would certainly affect some of their careers.
Are any of the 20 or 30 year olds you've seen as patients NFL-healthy individuals? I'd be surprised.
And yes, there is some "risk" out there of other effects, but there is speculation all around on that.
Do you really think there will be long-term effects for any person in good health when contracting the disease?
Okay, now how about for professional (or even college) athletes?
P.S. And how about baseball players (and others) using PEDs. Long term health effects? Yep. But used anyway.
RE: There will be no college football this season - dabigv13 - 08-06-2020
Good article on this from the NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.html
Most will probably be fine. But some will not. How many people get it will dictate how many end up with problems. And of course these folks play a game with well known concussion risks. So I'm sure the number skipping for health reasons will be low in any case.
lex24 - lex24 - 08-06-2020
(08-06-2020, 05:37 PM)dabigv13 Wrote:(08-06-2020, 05:21 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Moreover, the physical safety risk to them is low;
I don't think this is quite correct. Yes, they are much less likely to die of the disease (though our ICU has seen several patients in their 20s and 30s). But we know even asymptomatic survivors have notable heart inflammation whose long term significance is unknown, and plenty of patients have prolonged fatigue and shortness of breath.
For a professional athlete who relies on their physical health, these are important considerations. Sacrifice one year while a vaccine is developed, versus potentially losing your entire career if you have a bad case and develop cardiomyopathy or lose lung capacity.
I suspect this would be relatively uncommon for pro athletes, but if 60% of players got it, it would certainly affect some of their careers.
“Much less likely to die” is a massive understatement, don’t you think? I mean there has been 1 person in Ca under 18 that has died from Covid. And he had undisclosed health issues. Tragic, no question. But not significant from a public health standpoint. Also, im curious, how many instances of “notable heart inflammation” of 20 somethings have you seen?
Having said that, I still think they should not have a college football season.