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It just means less - OutsiderFan - 09-19-2020
Does anyone here besides me feel extremely “meh” about college football season?
Ordinarily, we’d obviously be talking about games and associated topics at this time of year. But even with the announcements of the Big Ten and PAC-12 returning, I don’t feel myself getting fired up.
There are 5 games canceled today because of Covid on the heels of previous others. I know Missouri is down 12 players for its opener against Alabama. The marquee game today is Louisville vs. Miami. And then I read the PAC-12 is planning a 7-game schedule.
Usually Fall Saturdays provide a sense of “I have games to watch,” but today and last week, I feel nothing. There is no excitement and effectively no interest. I can’t even bring myself to look at the games on TV today because I just really don’t care. I looked at the Top 25 schedule last night just to see if anything could inspire me to interest, and saw no Top 25 matchup.
I imagine I’ll be slightly more interested as the weeks go on, but I’m curious if others can relate to my college football disinterest about now. It seems this malaise is due to the disjointed schedules and that it just isn’t close enough to a real college football season to care. It’s like expecting a juicy burger but getting well done with a stale bun. I’d rather eat something else.
RE: It just means less - Phogge - 09-19-2020
Means nothing to me this year. Money triumphs over common sense. I sincerely hope that parents of kids denied the experience of returning to campus will sue because a few “student athletes” are there making money for the autocrats. And the players themselves. A few will be insured to be drafted but most will risk their skulls without compensation.
Scholies are not enough.
lex24 - lex24 - 09-19-2020
Does it ever truly “mean” anything. It’s a game we love. Entertainment. If they play, I’ll watch.
RE: It just means less - teejers1 - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 09:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Means nothing to me this year. Money triumphs over common sense. I sincerely hope that parents of kids denied the experience of returning to campus will sue because a few “student athletes” are there making money for the autocrats. And the players themselves. A few will be insured to be drafted but most will risk their skulls without compensation.
Scholies are not enough.
If you're a kid who plays a minor sport, then you might appreciate that the football program is generating revenue to help keep your collegiate sports experience alive. If you work in the AD of any of these schools, you might appreciate that the football program is generating revenue that might keep you employed. Etcetera.
And you don't know that kids are being kept out of college so that football can be played more safely - see ND and many other schools - though I certainly agree that it is safer for those on campus (athletes, staff, food service, etc.) if the student body at large is not around. And you have to concede the risk of spread is greater with college kids back as opposed to football team back. Indeed, that is the headline grabber: "Colleges open, Case Counts Soar" (rarely do you see articles about universities getting the virus under control . . . why that is presents a separate issue).
And I have the exact opposite reaction as you: I hope the schools like ND who are trying to make it work for team and student body succeed. I feel this way even though I know that my alma mater has chosen not to go down that road.
As for interest in college football, mine is determined by one school: Stanford. Accordingly, interest has been waning for a while now - and this year is the bottom (for now). But I believe OF's sentiments are pretty widely held, even by "college football fan," certainly until (and if) the Big Boys start playing each other.
RE: It just means less - gailtate - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 09:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Means nothing to me this year. Money triumphs over common sense. I sincerely hope that parents of kids denied the experience of returning to campus will sue because a few “student athletes” are there making money for the autocrats. And the players themselves. A few will be insured to be drafted but most will risk their skulls without compensation.
Scholies are not enough.
I will watch. Just like I am watching the A's have their way with the Giants. But it doesn't mean as much. In fact, now that I think about it, three games into Stanford's 2019 season, it wasn't meaning as much either. For different reasons of course. By the ND game, I wasn't even watching. Had not done that since Wlat was wandering the sidelines, dazed and confused.
RE: It just means less - cardcrimson - 09-19-2020
The ones I feel bad for are the ones playing non-revenue sports. They practice and play for the love of the sport and the thrill of the competition. Those are the ones who are the true student athletes as they'll never get rich from their sport. Those are the ones the universities should cherish, however, those are the ones having their sports pushed back and in many cases eliminated.
RE: It just means less - BigJohn043 - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 08:59 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Does anyone here besides me feel extremely “meh” about college football season?
Ordinarily, we’d obviously be talking about games and associated topics at this time of year. But even with the announcements of the Big Ten and PAC-12 returning, I don’t feel myself getting fired up.
There are 5 games canceled today because of Covid on the heels of previous others. I know Missouri is down 12 players for its opener against Alabama. The marquee game today is Louisville vs. Miami. And then I read the PAC-12 is planning a 7-game schedule.
Usually Fall Saturdays provide a sense of “I have games to watch,” but today and last week, I feel nothing. There is no excitement and effectively no interest. I can’t even bring myself to look at the games on TV today because I just really don’t care. I looked at the Top 25 schedule last night just to see if anything could inspire me to interest, and saw no Top 25 matchup.
I imagine I’ll be slightly more interested as the weeks go on, but I’m curious if others can relate to my college football disinterest about now. It seems this malaise is due to the disjointed schedules and that it just isn’t close enough to a real college football season to care. It’s like expecting a juicy burger but getting well done with a stale bun. I’d rather eat something else.
I am fired up. Great game tonight. SEC starts next weekend. Hard to get fired up about Stanford just because I am not sure we are going to be any good. But I will be watching as I have for the last 30 years....
RE: It just means less - fullmetal - 09-19-2020
No amount of football revenue is likely to save my sport. There are other avenues yet unexplored though.
I have never really been invested in CFB outside of Stanford, and even now, the way Okereke's situation was swept under the rug and the continued stumbling from the staff (hiring bad/no trainers, loyalty over accountability, lack of player development, delay of game penalties) has put me in the pre-2007 mindset of "I'll watch it if it's there...and if I'm not busy."
It seems these days there's a lot more on my mind than CFB and the normal life situation. And I think I'm all right with that. CFB will be there to enjoy when the bigger fish are done frying.
RE: It just means less - Phogge - 09-19-2020
Watched golf all day. PGA handling the pandemic as well as anybody. Been watching Stanford since the UCLA game of 1953. Not watching any college football. Will I watch Stanford again. Not in person.
RE: It just means less - BostonCard - 09-19-2020
I'm with you. I'm really looking forward to watching football... in 2021 or 2022, when a vaccine is widely available, the pandemic is under control, students can go back to being students, and we can go back to having some semblance of what life was like before the pandemic. This year, football just feels like denial; we are trying to pretend that everything is back to normal and that 700 people a day aren't dying because of this virus. I am particularly apathetic because the only reason there is football is the money. Although Teejers makes a good point about how the revenue supports and AD salaries are supported by the revenue sports, it still feels like putting the cart before the horse.
I wish half as much effort was being spent on getting the virus under control as is being spent getting college football back on TV.
BC
lex24 - lex24 - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 04:53 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I'm with you. I'm really looking forward to watching football... in 2021 or 2022, when a vaccine is widely available, the pandemic is under control, students can go back to being students, and we can go back to having some semblance of what life was like before the pandemic. This year, football just feels like denial; we are trying to pretend that everything is back to normal and that 700 people a day aren't dying because of this virus. I am particularly apathetic because the only reason there is football is the money. Although Teejers makes a good point about how the revenue supports and AD salaries are supported by the revenue sports, it still feels like putting the cart before the horse.
I wish half as much effort was being spent on getting the virus under control as is being spent getting college football back on TV.
BC
C’mon BC. Your last sentence is ridiculous. And you are about the last person to overstate things. If I was King for a day I’d say no College Football this year. But if Stanford plays, I’ll watch. We (I) desperately need entertainment. Otherwise we sit around all day talking about how many people die and what a shitty country this is. Which is essentially the Covid Board. I am depressed enough.....
RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 04:58 PM)lex24 Wrote:(09-19-2020, 04:53 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I'm with you. I'm really looking forward to watching football... in 2021 or 2022, when a vaccine is widely available, the pandemic is under control, students can go back to being students, and we can go back to having some semblance of what life was like before the pandemic. This year, football just feels like denial; we are trying to pretend that everything is back to normal and that 700 people a day aren't dying because of this virus. I am particularly apathetic because the only reason there is football is the money. Although Teejers makes a good point about how the revenue supports and AD salaries are supported by the revenue sports, it still feels like putting the cart before the horse.
I wish half as much effort was being spent on getting the virus under control as is being spent getting college football back on TV.
BC
C’mon BC. Your last sentence is ridiculous. And you are about the last person to overstate things. If I was King for a day I’d say no College Football this year. But if Stanford plays, I’ll watch. We (I) desperately need entertainment. Otherwise we sit around all day talking about how many people die and what a shitty country this is. Which is essentially the Covid Board. I am depressed enough.....
The revenue sports? Let them try. Let the other sports try, too. Get kids playing tennis, swimming, gymnastics, golf, track and field, even water polo again. Get them back in school, appropriately, too. Kids in front of screens all day is not a good thing. More focus needs to be there, indeed.
As for the political commentary, Israel is completely locked down this point and Europe appears to be headed that way, too. Guess they should have paid more attention to getting the virus under control, too.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/19/europe/europe-second-wave-coronavirus-intl/index.html
RE: lex24 - BostonCard - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 06:17 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: The revenue sports? Let them try. Let the other sports try, too. Get kids playing tennis, swimming, gymnastics, golf, track and field, even water polo again. Get them back in school, appropriately, too. Kids in front of screens all day is not a good thing. More focus needs to be there, indeed.
As for the political commentary, Israel is completely locked down this point and Europe appears to be headed that way, too. Guess they should have paid more attention to getting the virus under control, too.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/19/europe/europe-second-wave-coronavirus-intl/index.html
I agree, we should do what we can to reopen schools, and get kids playing sports again (especially low-risk sports), revenue or not. That will require effort, effort that we don't seem to have had the will to do, and it probably require giving up some other things (like bars, restaurants and house parties) to keep the effective reproductive number (REff) below 1.
Yes, cases in Europe are high and rising, but still lower on a per capita level than the US currently (and even more so than the US at the peak of the second spike). Plus, cases in the US are starting to creep back up, after declining by about 50% from their July peak. We may be headed to a third wave.
BC
RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 06:52 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-19-2020, 06:17 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: The revenue sports? Let them try. Let the other sports try, too. Get kids playing tennis, swimming, gymnastics, golf, track and field, even water polo again. Get them back in school, appropriately, too. Kids in front of screens all day is not a good thing. More focus needs to be there, indeed.
As for the political commentary, Israel is completely locked down this point and Europe appears to be headed that way, too. Guess they should have paid more attention to getting the virus under control, too.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/19/europe/europe-second-wave-coronavirus-intl/index.html
I agree, we should do what we can to reopen schools, and get kids playing sports again (especially low-risk sports), revenue or not. That will require effort, effort that we don't seem to have had the will to do, and it probably require giving up some other things (like bars, restaurants and house parties) to keep the effective reproductive number (REff) below 1.
Yes, cases in Europe are high and rising, but still lower on a per capita level than the US currently (and even more so than the US at the peak of the second spike). Plus, cases in the US are starting to creep back up, after declining by about 50% from their July peak. We may be headed to a third wave.
BC
My daughter's high school did a great job in prepping for hybrid, in person and online, learning. Tons of effort went into it, only to have the local leadership (Newsom et al) move the goalposts, twice. The will and the effort was there, and still is, and I'm confident they can pull it off. Disappointingly, we're still probably three weeks away if the numbers stay consistent. What seems counter intuitive, elementary schools can petition to reopen, while middle schools and high schools cannot. Methinks the older kids would be much more compliant with the social distancing and mask rules, as they understand the risks. . . .
As for sports, all summer long, kids have been doing camps according to the guidelines, and they continue to do so into the fall (until the smoke prevented 75% of them). Knock on wood, not a single outbreak locally thus far. Exercise, training, and social interaction; all so sorely needed.
RE: lex24 - BostonCard - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 07:25 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: My daughter's high school did a great job in prepping for hybrid, in person and online, learning. Tons of effort went into it, only to have the local leadership (Newsom et al) move the goalposts, twice. The will and the effort was there, and still is, and I'm confident they can pull it off. Disappointingly, we're still probably three weeks away if the numbers stay consistent. What seems counter intuitive, elementary schools can petition to reopen, while middle schools and high schools cannot. Methinks the older kids would be much more compliant with the social distancing and mask rules, as they understand the risks. . . .
Agreed, middle and high school skids are more capable of social distancing (but will they?). I think the argument for opening elementary schools is that younger students struggle with distance learning and the drop-off is greater. That has certainly been the experience in the Boston Card household (we have one elementary school kid, one in middle school, and one in high school, and the youngest's education is suffering the most.
One other variable, the teacher's union. They really don't want to resume in person teaching, and, at least in my son's district, they drove the policy.
BC
RE: It just means less - Phogge - 09-19-2020
Lex, I’m shocked. Bored? There is so much to do. House projects, reading, fire suppression if you have land, golf, gardening, Amazon Prime, Netflix. Write a short story. Wean yourself from TV. Come on you’re a Bear, so is my wife. She has plenty to do and can advise.
RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 07:32 PM)BostonCard Wrote: One other variable, the teacher's union. They really don't want to resume in person teaching, and, at least in my son's district, they drove the policy.
BC
And therein lies the problem. The teacher's union wields the power, yet California consistently wallows in the lower quartile in k-12 education. One would think that students come first, but alas, no.
RE: lex24 - JustAnotherFan - 09-20-2020
(09-19-2020, 04:58 PM)lex24 Wrote:(09-19-2020, 04:53 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I'm with you. I'm really looking forward to watching football... in 2021 or 2022, when a vaccine is widely available, the pandemic is under control, students can go back to being students, and we can go back to having some semblance of what life was like before the pandemic. This year, football just feels like denial; we are trying to pretend that everything is back to normal and that 700 people a day aren't dying because of this virus. I am particularly apathetic because the only reason there is football is the money. Although Teejers makes a good point about how the revenue supports and AD salaries are supported by the revenue sports, it still feels like putting the cart before the horse.
I wish half as much effort was being spent on getting the virus under control as is being spent getting college football back on TV.
BC
C’mon BC. Your last sentence is ridiculous. And you are about the last person to overstate things. If I was King for a day I’d say no College Football this year. But if Stanford plays, I’ll watch. We (I) desperately need entertainment. Otherwise we sit around all day talking about how many people die and what a shitty country this is. Which is essentially the Covid Board. I am depressed enough.....
There are other options. Read a book. Go for a hike. Build a deck. Learn how to cook.
RE: It just means less - M T - 09-21-2020
(09-19-2020, 11:12 AM)teejers1 Wrote: Indeed, that is the headline grabber: "Colleges open, Case Counts Soar" (rarely do you see articles about universities getting the virus under control . . . why that is presents a separate issue).
I have been updating the numbers from the University of Alabama and Auburn in the post I made a couple of weeks back. Their numbers are down quite a bit (weekly down from 562; 490 to 119; 108). Good, but still much higher than SCC per capita. (In terms of California tiers, their current rate are red(5.7/day per 10K); purple (7.2/day per 10K). But that's with 12% false negatives in their testing, so a true rate may be closer to 6.5 ; 8.2.)