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Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - OutsiderFan - 10-17-2020

Now he's claiming masks are not only useless, but harmful.





RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - dabigv13 - 10-17-2020




This is how I feel about it as well. Hoover throwing a lot of mud on Stanford's name during the pandemic.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - OutsiderFan - 10-17-2020

Ya, it's a pretty simple equation, really.

Who needs who's name more?

I'd say The Hoover Institute gets far more brand equity being associated with Stanford than Stanford gets from the Hoover Institute.

Now, there are some decent people at Hoover, like Michael McFaul, for example, but I'm guessing a guy like Atlas does far more damage to Hoover and Stanford University's reputation than Michael McFaul helps them.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - magnus - 10-17-2020

I'll bet many of the places he lists are having the most spread amongst those not using masks.  

It would be interesting to see what the mask usage rate is across the well performing countries and those that aren't.   Or maybe that needs to be broken into smaller collections of people.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - DocSavage87 - 10-17-2020

(10-17-2020, 07:38 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Now he's claiming masks are not only useless, but harmful.



I think Twitter took it down :)  Amazing people listen to Atlas after he wrote an opinion column downplaying it in March, saying we could have as many as 10,000 dead, which would be similar to the flu.  The basis for his opinion was the shoddy work of other Stanford profs, and apparently had a whistleblower report saying they published it before supplemental Ab testing contradicted their results.  But hey, the whole crew got lots of time on Fox so there's that.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - old spanish trail - 10-17-2020

We also get to claim Jay Bhattacharya, one of the three authors of The Great Barrington Declaration, circulated by a libertarian think tank supported by the Koch brothers. It's sort of Herd "Mentality" light, and, as Fauci says is on the fringe. I think he may be on the med school faculty. Atlas is not; he's just Hoover now.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - BostonCard - 10-17-2020

Nice rebuttal of the Atlas claim by Atul Gawande (click to see the full thread).  Some good evidence for masks (I know that was asked on another thread).




BC


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - 2006alum - 10-18-2020

Thought this was pretty funny. 





RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - BostonCard - 10-18-2020

“mask debaters”

ICWYDT.

BC


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - oregontim - 10-18-2020

Atlas's tweet was so glaringly bad that Twitter (hardly the most rigorous keeper of truth) rejected it. It hurts to have that with Stanford ties.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - OutsiderFan - 10-19-2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-den-of-dissent-inside-the-white-house-task-force-as-coronavirus-surges/2020/10/19/7ff8ee6a-0a6e-11eb-859b-f9c27abe638d_story.html

Maybe this below is why Atlas is claiming he is no longer pursuing a herd immunity strategy. To be clear, the only way herd immunity works is by way of vaccine. Otherwise, way too many people get sick - lots stuck with long term impacts - and die.





RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - Mick - 10-19-2020

The Daily Mail references Dr. Osterholm who shreds Scott Atlas's "pixie dust."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8853715/Infectious-disease-expert-warns-6-12-weeks-darkest-entire-pandemic.html


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - Farm93 - 10-19-2020

(10-19-2020, 11:14 AM)Mick Wrote:  The Daily Mail references Dr. Osterholm who shreds Scott Atlas's "pixie dust."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8853715/Infectious-disease-expert-warns-6-12-weeks-darkest-entire-pandemic.html
I didn't need more reasons. 

However, it is clear that every day Scott Atlas is on the national stage, he brings shame and dishonor to my alma mater.

Therefore, I will have to vote against his boss just to make sure Atlas loses his post ASAP.


lex24 - lex24 - 10-19-2020

(10-19-2020, 05:54 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 11:14 AM)Mick Wrote:  The Daily Mail references Dr. Osterholm who shreds Scott Atlas's "pixie dust."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8853715/Infectious-disease-expert-warns-6-12-weeks-darkest-entire-pandemic.html
I didn't need more reasons. 

However, it is clear that every day Scott Atlas is on the national stage, he brings shame and dishonor to my alma mater.

Therefore, I will have to vote against his boss just to make sure Atlas loses his post ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better I suspect 90% of the Country has no idea what University he went to.  And 99.925% don’t give care.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - dabigv13 - 10-19-2020

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/19/world/covid-coronavirus/public-health-experts-are-alarmed-by-a-herd-immunity-theory-endorsed-by-trump-officials

Quote:As the coronavirus pandemic erupted this spring, two professors at Stanford University — Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Scott W. Altas — bonded over a shared concern that lockdowns were creating economic and societal devastation.

Right at the top of the article. Arrrrrgggh. And Harvard gets a smart infectious disease doctor rebutting our chuckleheads.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - OutsiderFan - 10-19-2020

What's comical is the economy actually suffers more if their ideas are followed than if Dr. Cody's are.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - JustAnotherFan - 10-20-2020

(10-19-2020, 06:51 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-den-of-dissent-inside-the-white-house-task-force-as-coronavirus-surges/2020/10/19/7ff8ee6a-0a6e-11eb-859b-f9c27abe638d_story.html

Maybe this below is why Atlas is claiming he is no longer pursuing a herd immunity strategy. To be clear, the only way herd immunity works is by way of vaccine. Otherwise, way too many people get sick - lots stuck with long term impacts - and die.



"WH task force member escalates dangerous anti-science view"

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/10/19/scott-atlas-herd-immunity-dr-jorge-rodriguez-intv-keilar-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/


RE: lex24 - Farm93 - 10-20-2020

(10-19-2020, 06:49 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 05:54 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 11:14 AM)Mick Wrote:  The Daily Mail references Dr. Osterholm who shreds Scott Atlas's "pixie dust."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8853715/Infectious-disease-expert-warns-6-12-weeks-darkest-entire-pandemic.html
I didn't need more reasons. 

However, it is clear that every day Scott Atlas is on the national stage, he brings shame and dishonor to my alma mater.

Therefore, I will have to vote against his boss just to make sure Atlas loses his post ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better I suspect 90% of the Country has no idea what University he went to.  And 99.925% don’t give care.
Hate to tell you your numbers are likely off by quite a bit.

Every time he is mentioned by cable news types they add in Stanford with stunning regularity.  I can only imagine how often his "credentials" are reference on conservative radio.

Let's imagine I wanted to learn more about him and went to Wiki.

1st Paragraph - 
Scott William Atlas (born July 5, 1955) is an American neuroradiologist, professor, commentator, and health care policy advisor. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

4th Paragraph - 
Atlas is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, a conservative public policy think tank

That's too many Stanford references for me right at the start of his page for me to just assume no one will know.   When the USA's deaths soar to 400,000 those still alive will want to know a bit more about the guy that got Trump to believe in Herd Immunity.   

Simply can't take that chance.


RE: Scott Atlas embarrassing Stanford again - fullmetal - 10-20-2020

Stanford faculty Michael Levitt (computational biology, Nobel laureate '13 Chemistry) hasn't been doing all that great of a job either.


lex24 - lex24 - 10-20-2020

(10-20-2020, 04:16 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 06:49 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 05:54 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 11:14 AM)Mick Wrote:  The Daily Mail references Dr. Osterholm who shreds Scott Atlas's "pixie dust."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8853715/Infectious-disease-expert-warns-6-12-weeks-darkest-entire-pandemic.html
I didn't need more reasons. 

However, it is clear that every day Scott Atlas is on the national stage, he brings shame and dishonor to my alma mater.

Therefore, I will have to vote against his boss just to make sure Atlas loses his post ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better I suspect 90% of the Country has no idea what University he went to.  And 99.925% don’t give care.
Hate to tell you your numbers are likely off by quite a bit.

Every time he is mentioned by cable news types they add in Stanford with stunning regularity.  I can only imagine how often his "credentials" are reference on conservative radio.

Let's imagine I wanted to learn more about him and went to Wiki.

1st Paragraph - 
Scott William Atlas (born July 5, 1955) is an American neuroradiologist, professor, commentator, and health care policy advisor. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

4th Paragraph - 
Atlas is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, a conservative public policy think tank

That's too many Stanford references for me right at the start of his page for me to just assume no one will know.   When the USA's deaths soar to 400,000 those still alive will want to know a bit more about the guy that got Trump to believe in Herd Immunity.   

Simply can't take that chance.

What chance?  That it tarnishes Stanfords ivory image?  Let’s first hope your scenario doesn’t happen.  If it does, Stanford will survive just fine. No one outside it’s alumni gives a damn where he went to College. We have more important things to concern ourselves with.

(10-20-2020, 08:07 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(10-20-2020, 04:16 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 06:49 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 05:54 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  
(10-19-2020, 11:14 AM)Mick Wrote:  The Daily Mail references Dr. Osterholm who shreds Scott Atlas's "pixie dust."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8853715/Infectious-disease-expert-warns-6-12-weeks-darkest-entire-pandemic.html
I didn't need more reasons. 

However, it is clear that every day Scott Atlas is on the national stage, he brings shame and dishonor to my alma mater.

Therefore, I will have to vote against his boss just to make sure Atlas loses his post ASAP.

If it makes you feel any better I suspect 90% of the Country has no idea what University he went to.  And 99.925% don’t give care.
Hate to tell you your numbers are likely off by quite a bit.

Every time he is mentioned by cable news types they add in Stanford with stunning regularity.  I can only imagine how often his "credentials" are reference on conservative radio.

Let's imagine I wanted to learn more about him and went to Wiki.

1st Paragraph - 
Scott William Atlas (born July 5, 1955) is an American neuroradiologist, professor, commentator, and health care policy advisor. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

4th Paragraph - 
Atlas is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, a conservative public policy think tank

That's too many Stanford references for me right at the start of his page for me to just assume no one will know.   When the USA's deaths soar to 400,000 those still alive will want to know a bit more about the guy that got Trump to believe in Herd Immunity.   

Simply can't take that chance.

First off, I didn’t say no one, I said 90%.  That leaves about 33 Million in the know. The 99.925 that don’t care is a rough approximation o& that portion of the country that did not go to Stanford. .  

And what chance?  That it tarnishes Stanfords ivory image?  Let’s first hope your scenario doesn’t happen.  If it does, Stanford will survive just fine.  No one outside it’s alumni gives a damn where he went to College.  We have more important things to concern ourselves with.