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in Utah - 82lsju - 10-25-2020

Quote:"With new coronavirus cases shattering records on a daily basis, Utah’s hospitals are expected to begin rationing care in a week or two.

That’s the prediction of Greg Bell, president of the Utah Hospital Association, who said administrators of the state’s hospitals confronted Gov. Gary Herbert on Thursday with a grim list: Criteria they propose doctors should use if they are forced to decide which patients can stay in overcrowded intensive care units.

Under the criteria, which would require Herbert’s approval, patients who are getting worse despite receiving intensive care would be moved out first. In the event that two patients' conditions are equal, the young get priority over the old, since older patients are more likely to die."


https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/?fbclid=IwAR0wnRhGKopH8Tk4fsRZtGTAXj0TYQrl9YA88Qj3F8uqZv3WHZsUTdvA8HM


RE: in Utah - teejers1 - 10-25-2020

(10-25-2020, 11:55 AM)82lsju Wrote:  
Quote:"With new coronavirus cases shattering records on a daily basis, Utah’s hospitals are expected to begin rationing care in a week or two.

That’s the prediction of Greg Bell, president of the Utah Hospital Association, who said administrators of the state’s hospitals confronted Gov. Gary Herbert on Thursday with a grim list: Criteria they propose doctors should use if they are forced to decide which patients can stay in overcrowded intensive care units.

Under the criteria, which would require Herbert’s approval, patients who are getting worse despite receiving intensive care would be moved out first. In the event that two patients' conditions are equal, the young get priority over the old, since older patients are more likely to die."


https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/?fbclid=IwAR0wnRhGKopH8Tk4fsRZtGTAXj0TYQrl9YA88Qj3F8uqZv3WHZsUTdvA8HM

This looks alarming and the kind of thing that should require behavior modification.
And the article raises another point:  the hospital capacity numbers reported should be the (lower) practical number, not the theoretical number in a perfect world.  And policies should be based on those capacity numbers.


RE: in Utah - BostonCard - 10-25-2020

Texas is making a convention center into a hospital in El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-makes-convention-center-hospital-amid-covid-surge-polling-place-masks-still-optional-1541981

Texas is still a ways away from its peak of 10,000 new cases a day (in mid-July), but of course the geographic distribution of those cases within Texas may have changed.

BC


RE: in Utah - 82lsju - 10-26-2020

(10-25-2020, 03:29 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  Texas is making a convention center into a hospital in El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-makes-convention-center-hospital-amid-covid-surge-polling-place-masks-still-optional-1541981

Texas is still a ways away from its peak of 10,000 new cases a day (in mid-July), but of course the geographic distribution of those cases within Texas may have changed.

BC

Quote:El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego on Sunday afternoon ordered a 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew daily due to El Paso's coronavirus crisis.


The curfew will be in effect for both the county and city starting Sunday night and continuing for two weeks. Law enforcement agencies will enforce the curfew along with the face mask requirement and other mandates, he said.

The judge said El Paso's sheriff, police chief and constables had all been directed to enforce the orders, which he indicated has the support of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2020/10/25/watch-live-at-5pm-el-paso-county-city-leaders-hold-briefing-on-covid-19-crisis/


RE: in Utah - Genuine Realist - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 12:55 PM)82lsju Wrote:  [quote="BostonCard" pid='294326' dateline='1603664955']
Texas is making a convention center into a hospital in El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-makes-convention-center-hospital-amid-covid-surge-polling-place-masks-still-optional-1541981

Texas is still a ways away from its peak of 10,000 new cases a day (in mid-July), but of course the geographic distribution of those cases within Texas may have changed.

BC

Quote:El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego on Sunday afternoon ordered a 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew daily due to El Paso's coronavirus crisis.


The curfew will be in effect for both the county and city starting Sunday night and continuing for two weeks. Law enforcement agencies will enforce the curfew along with the face mask requirement and other mandates, he said.

The judge said El Paso's sheriff, police chief and constables had all been directed to enforce the orders, which he indicated has the support of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2020/10/25/watch-live-at-5pm-el-paso-county-city-leaders-hold-briefing-on-covid-19-crisis/
[/quote
No problem with the common sense of the order, but where on God's green earth does a judge get the power to do this?


RE: in Utah - BostonCard - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 01:27 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 12:55 PM)82lsju Wrote:  [quote="BostonCard" pid='294326' dateline='1603664955']
Texas is making a convention center into a hospital in El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-makes-convention-center-hospital-amid-covid-surge-polling-place-masks-still-optional-1541981

Texas is still a ways away from its peak of 10,000 new cases a day (in mid-July), but of course the geographic distribution of those cases within Texas may have changed.

BC

Quote:El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego on Sunday afternoon ordered a 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew daily due to El Paso's coronavirus crisis.


The curfew will be in effect for both the county and city starting Sunday night and continuing for two weeks. Law enforcement agencies will enforce the curfew along with the face mask requirement and other mandates, he said.

The judge said El Paso's sheriff, police chief and constables had all been directed to enforce the orders, which he indicated has the support of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2020/10/25/watch-live-at-5pm-el-paso-county-city-leaders-hold-briefing-on-covid-19-crisis/
[/quote
No problem with the common sense of the order, but where on God's green earth does a judge get the power to do this?

At least according to this article, the judge is also the top elected executiv.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/26/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur#el-paso-orders-a-curfew-to-stem-a-coronavirus-surge-as-its-hospitals-overflow

Quote:As of Sunday, one-third of all the patients in the region’s hospitals had Covid-19, according the county’s curfew order. The top elected executive in El Paso, County Judge Ricardo A. Samaniego, wrote in the order that hospital intensive-care units were completely full.

I'm not sure how local government works in East Texas, but it sounds like he is using his executive authority, not his judicial authority(?)

BC


RE: in Utah - JustAnotherFan - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 01:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 01:27 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 12:55 PM)82lsju Wrote:  [quote="BostonCard" pid='294326' dateline='1603664955']
Texas is making a convention center into a hospital in El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-makes-convention-center-hospital-amid-covid-surge-polling-place-masks-still-optional-1541981

Texas is still a ways away from its peak of 10,000 new cases a day (in mid-July), but of course the geographic distribution of those cases within Texas may have changed.

BC

Quote:El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego on Sunday afternoon ordered a 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew daily due to El Paso's coronavirus crisis.


The curfew will be in effect for both the county and city starting Sunday night and continuing for two weeks. Law enforcement agencies will enforce the curfew along with the face mask requirement and other mandates, he said.

The judge said El Paso's sheriff, police chief and constables had all been directed to enforce the orders, which he indicated has the support of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2020/10/25/watch-live-at-5pm-el-paso-county-city-leaders-hold-briefing-on-covid-19-crisis/
[/quote
No problem with the common sense of the order, but where on God's green earth does a judge get the power to do this?

At least according to this article, the judge is also the top elected executiv.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/26/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur#el-paso-orders-a-curfew-to-stem-a-coronavirus-surge-as-its-hospitals-overflow

Quote:As of Sunday, one-third of all the patients in the region’s hospitals had Covid-19, according the county’s curfew order. The top elected executive in El Paso, County Judge Ricardo A. Samaniego, wrote in the order that hospital intensive-care units were completely full.

I'm not sure how local government works in East Texas, but it sounds like he is using his executive authority, not his judicial authority(?)

BC

Well Texas loves their small government except when they love their big government. Also, El Paso is about as far away from East Texas as you can get, in Texas.


RE: in Utah - BostonCard - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 02:14 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:  Well Texas loves their small government except when they love their big government. Also, El Paso is about as far away from East Texas as you can get, in Texas.

D'oh!  *West* Texas.  Thanks.

BC


RE: in Utah - OutsiderFan - 10-26-2020

Texas elects leaders for their counties and calls them judges.

So when you see a judge ordered this, it's the county's elected leader making the call.


RE: in Utah - BostonCard - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 02:36 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Texas elects leaders for their counties and calls them judges.

So when you see a judge ordered this, it's the county's elected leader making the call.

Thanks.  It appears you are correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Texas

Quote:Each county is run by a five-member Commissioners' Court consisting of four commissioners elected from single-member districts (called commissioner precincts) and a county judge elected at-large.[1] The county judge does not have authority to veto a decision of the commissioners court; the judge votes along with the commissioners (being the tie-breaker in close calls). In smaller counties, the county judge actually does perform judicial duties, but in larger counties the judge's role is limited to serving on the commissioners court and certifying elections. Certain officials, such as the sheriff and tax collector, are elected separately by the voters, but the commissioners court determines their office budgets, and sets overall county policy. All county elections are partisan, and commissioner precincts are redistricted after each ten year Census both to equalize the voting power in each and in consideration of the political party preferences of the voters in each.

BC


RE: in Utah - BostonCard - 10-26-2020

Idaho is considering sending patients to neighboring states:

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-virus-outbreak-connecticut-south-dakota-birthdays-dc26340a9b1311ad81e0f8b99a7a6dbd

Quote:The impact is being felt in every section of the country — a lockdown starting Friday at the Oglala Sioux Tribe’s reservation in South Dakota, a plea by a Florida health official for a halt to children’s birthday parties, dire warnings from Utah’s governor, and an increasingly desperate situation at a hospital in northern Idaho, which is running out of space for patients and considering airlifts to Seattle or Portland, Oregon.

and *facepalm*

Quote:Even as the health-care situation worsened in northern Idaho, a regional health board voted to repeal a local mask mandate. It acted moments after hearing how the Kootenai Health hospital in Coeur d’Alene had reached 99% capacity.

BC


RE: in Utah - Goose - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 05:48 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  and *facepalm*


Quote:Even as the health-care situation worsened in northern Idaho, a regional health board voted to repeal a local mask mandate. It acted moments after hearing how the Kootenai Health hospital in Coeur d’Alene had reached 99% capacity.



BC

What can one say? If I were on the regional health board, the local mask mandate wouldn't matter much as a full 14 day (minimum) mandatory lockdown looks necessary to me. It is beyond masks (although naturally the local mandate should remain). If the hospital is 99% full, what else can you do?


RE: in Utah - dabigv13 - 10-26-2020

Looks like multiple states are walking wide eyed into Italy-in-March triage care situations in their hospitals. Insane. Very glad California isn't one of them, but worsening nationally will inevitably affect us here too.


RE: in Utah - BostonCard - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 06:34 PM)dabigv13 Wrote:  Looks like multiple states are walking wide eyed into Italy-in-March triage care situations in their hospitals. Insane. Very glad California isn't one of them, but worsening nationally will inevitably affect us here too.

Cases and positivity are rising again.  You hope it is just a blip, but probably California is just running a few weeks behind the rest of the country.

BC


RE: in Utah - dabigv13 - 10-26-2020

I'm sure they will continue to rise for some time. But Newsom has at least demonstrated he will take some action if things are getting bad. Imagine being an ICU doc at that Idaho hospital while your government votes down masks. Ugh.


RE: in Utah - Goose - 10-26-2020

(10-26-2020, 07:46 PM)dabigv13 Wrote:  I'm sure they will continue to rise for some time. But Newsom has at least demonstrated he will take some action if things are getting bad. Imagine being an ICU doc at that Idaho hospital while your government votes down masks. Ugh.
Double ugh! It seems to me when you are Lombardy II you really need to go full blast into a lockdown. If you don't, that 99% is going to hit 110% and climbing. Since hospital admissions are a "lagging" statistic, they are probably already going to go above capacity even if they take action immediately. The can "export" some cases to Washington and Oregon which will help, but if the locale doesn't take aggressive action things will just continue to get worse.


RE: in Utah - magnus - 10-29-2020

(10-26-2020, 01:27 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 12:55 PM)82lsju Wrote:  [quote="BostonCard" pid='294326' dateline='1603664955']
Texas is making a convention center into a hospital in El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-makes-convention-center-hospital-amid-covid-surge-polling-place-masks-still-optional-1541981

Texas is still a ways away from its peak of 10,000 new cases a day (in mid-July), but of course the geographic distribution of those cases within Texas may have changed.

BC

Quote:El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego on Sunday afternoon ordered a 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew daily due to El Paso's coronavirus crisis.


The curfew will be in effect for both the county and city starting Sunday night and continuing for two weeks. Law enforcement agencies will enforce the curfew along with the face mask requirement and other mandates, he said.

The judge said El Paso's sheriff, police chief and constables had all been directed to enforce the orders, which he indicated has the support of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2020/10/25/watch-live-at-5pm-el-paso-county-city-leaders-hold-briefing-on-covid-19-crisis/
[/quote
No problem with the common sense of the order, but where on God's green earth does a judge get the power to do this?
The Texas Attorney General says that El Paso's shutdown is in "direct violation" of the governor's executive order and is exploring all legal actions.

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2020/10/29/texas-attorney-general-threatens-legal-action-over-el-paso-county-judges-shutdown-order/


RE: in Utah - cctop - 10-29-2020

(10-26-2020, 02:22 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 02:14 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:  Also, El Paso is about as far away from East Texas as you can get, in Texas.


D'oh!  *West* Texas.  Thanks.

Fun fact:  El Paso is closer to Los Angeles than to the eastern border of Texas.

In fact Houston is only about 40 miles closer to El Paso than L.A. is.


RE: in Utah - teejers1 - 10-29-2020

(10-29-2020, 10:49 PM)cctop Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 02:22 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  
(10-26-2020, 02:14 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:  Also, El Paso is about as far away from East Texas as you can get, in Texas.


D'oh!  *West* Texas.  Thanks.

Fun fact:  El Paso is closer to Los Angeles than to the eastern border of Texas.

In fact Houston is only about 40 miles closer to El Paso than L.A. is.

Is anyone surprised that El Paso is getting hit hard?  If you've been there (to multiple Sun Bowls, for example), then you've got a good feel for the city and its characteristics.  The profile would be a viral alert in any state . . . and in Texas it's probably a double-secret-probation level thing.


RE: in Utah - needle - 10-30-2020

Not to worry, there will still be HS football played in West Texas:

Quote:Kickoff has been moved up an hour to 6 p.m. so as not to have to battle with the 10 p.m. curfew set by the county last Sunday.

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/sports/2020/10/29/el-paso-high-school-football-clint-riverside-vie-district-title/6063604002/