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Stanford great tests positive - Bruce Wang - 11-03-2020
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30250783/denver-broncos-president-john-elway-ceo-joe-ellis-test-positive-coronavirus
Has anybody else noticed that not a single celebrity has died of COVID19? The most famous person I can think of that COVID19 has claimed as a fatality is one of Siegfried & Roy.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - chrisk - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 01:54 PM)Publius Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30250783/denver-broncos-president-john-elway-ceo-joe-ellis-test-positive-coronavirus
Has anybody else noticed that not a single celebrity has died of COVID19? The most famous person I can think of that COVID19 has claimed as a fatality is one of Siegfried & Roy.
The threshold for celebrity is very nebulous. Among the people who have died there are quite of few whose names are known publicly in varying degrees. Since many of them are older, they may not be current "celebrities".
Wikipedia has 842 people on its list of notable people who have died from COVID.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_COVID-19
Among former athletes, Tom Dempsey and Tom Seaver are on the list.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - Mick - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 02:15 PM)chrisk Wrote:(11-03-2020, 01:54 PM)Publius Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30250783/denver-broncos-president-john-elway-ceo-joe-ellis-test-positive-coronavirus
Has anybody else noticed that not a single celebrity has died of COVID19? The most famous person I can think of that COVID19 has claimed as a fatality is one of Siegfried & Roy.
The threshold for celebrity is very nebulous. Among the people who have died there are quite of few whose names are known publicly in varying degrees. Since many of them are older, they may not be current "celebrities".
Wikipedia has 842 people on its list of notable people who have died from COVID.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_COVID-19
Among former athletes, Tom Dempsey and Tom Seaver are on the list.
Fred Dean, if you're a Niner fan.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - Farm93 - 11-03-2020
The wiki list almost illustrates the few famous person comment as very few people on that list would be considered famous by your average American. And even the few on the list I recognize have not been in the spotlight for decades.
I hope that Elway recovers quickly, and I am confident he will get the best possible care.
While retired football players often like to act as if they are still in great shape, a lot of former football players suffer from a number of comorbidities. It is one reason I have always worried a lot more about the potential impact of COVID on college football coaches than on the college football players.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - BostonCard - 11-03-2020
What fraction of Americans are considered "celebrities". Interestingly someone tried to figure that out, defining "famous" as someone who has their own wikipedia page:
https://www.wired.com/2013/01/the-fraction-of-famous-people-in-the-world/
Quote:Using only the total English-speaking population of the world (approximately 1.49 billion), the fraction is 0.00041. So the fraction of famous people, using this rough approximation is somewhere between about 1 in 10,000 and 5 in 10,000 (or 1 in 2,000).
Given that that 240,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, it follows that we would expect between 24 and 120 "famous" people to have died.
BC
RE: Stanford great tests positive - magnus - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 03:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: What fraction of Americans are considered "celebrities". Interestingly someone tried to figure that out, defining "famous" as someone who has their own wikipedia page:Only if the coronavirus is an equal opportunity attacker.
https://www.wired.com/2013/01/the-fraction-of-famous-people-in-the-world/
Quote:Using only the total English-speaking population of the world (approximately 1.49 billion), the fraction is 0.00041. So the fraction of famous people, using this rough approximation is somewhere between about 1 in 10,000 and 5 in 10,000 (or 1 in 2,000).
Given that that 240,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, it follows that we would expect between 24 and 120 "famous" people to have died.
BC
it may attack everyone equally, but it doesn't get the opportunity (circumstances) to attack everyone equally and it doesn't get fought off (treatment) equally by everyone either. If we assume "famous" people are less like to be in environments where spread is more likely and we assume "famous" people are more likely to get better treatment, then that estimated number should be on the low end or lower.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - M T - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 03:19 PM)BostonCard Wrote: What fraction of Americans are considered "celebrities". Interestingly someone tried to figure that out, defining "famous" as someone who has their own wikipedia page:
https://www.wired.com/2013/01/the-fraction-of-famous-people-in-the-world/
Quote:Using only the total English-speaking population of the world (approximately 1.49 billion), the fraction is 0.00041. So the fraction of famous people, using this rough approximation is somewhere between about 1 in 10,000 and 5 in 10,000 (or 1 in 2,000).
Given that that 240,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, it follows that we would expect between 24 and 120 "famous" people to have died.
Those 842 had Wikipedia pages. (Some were only famous as a result of COVID-19).
Counting by place of death (21 have no death place listed), the US had 172.
Darn, there goes the idea that you can reduce your chance of dying by COVID-19 by becoming famous.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - BostonCard - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 04:42 PM)magnus Wrote: Only if the coronavirus is an equal opportunity attacker.
it may attack everyone equally, but it doesn't get the opportunity (circumstances) to attack everyone equally and it doesn't get fought off (treatment) equally by everyone either. If we assume "famous" people are less like to be in environments where spread is more likely and we assume "famous" people are more likely to get better treatment, then that estimated number should be on the low end or lower.
Counterargument: You have to live long enough to accomplish something to make you famous, so, on average, famous people will be older than the overall population.
BC
RE: Stanford great tests positive - magnus - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 04:47 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(11-03-2020, 04:42 PM)magnus Wrote: Only if the coronavirus is an equal opportunity attacker.
it may attack everyone equally, but it doesn't get the opportunity (circumstances) to attack everyone equally and it doesn't get fought off (treatment) equally by everyone either. If we assume "famous" people are less like to be in environments where spread is more likely and we assume "famous" people are more likely to get better treatment, then that estimated number should be on the low end or lower.
Counterargument: You have to live long enough to accomplish something to make you famous, so, on average, famous people will be older than the overall population.
BC
Indeed =)
RE: Stanford great tests positive - M T - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 04:47 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Counterargument: You have to live long enough to accomplish something to make you famous, so, on average, famous people will be older than the overall population.I disagree. I think most of the entertainment industry celebrities are probably famous by the time they are 1/3 of the average life span.
That's true of sports figures (if you don't already consider that entertainment) as well.
Political, industrial, military, medical leaders are going to be older.
Criminals are a mixed bag.
Authors probably are older for the most part.
Tech celebrities are usually younger when they become famous.
I also think most active celebrities are dependent on interaction with others, and so are more likely to be exposed to an infectious disease than somebody working with the same group of people day after day.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - teejers1 - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 02:15 PM)chrisk Wrote:(11-03-2020, 01:54 PM)Publius Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30250783/denver-broncos-president-john-elway-ceo-joe-ellis-test-positive-coronavirus
Has anybody else noticed that not a single celebrity has died of COVID19? The most famous person I can think of that COVID19 has claimed as a fatality is one of Siegfried & Roy.
The threshold for celebrity is very nebulous. Among the people who have died there are quite of few whose names are known publicly in varying degrees. Since many of them are older, they may not be current "celebrities".
Wikipedia has 842 people on its list of notable people who have died from COVID.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_COVID-19
Among former athletes, Tom Dempsey and Tom Seaver are on the list.
Tom Seaver:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tom-seaver-new-york-mets-great-diagnosed-dementia-n980766
Tom Dempsey:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/sports/football/super-bowl-tom-dempsey-former-nfl-kicker-is-dealing-with-dementia.html
Roy Horn of Siegfried & Roy:
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/apr/28/roy-horn-of-siegfried-and-roy-magic-duo-tests-posi/
RE: Stanford great tests positive - BostonCard - 11-03-2020
(11-03-2020, 05:11 PM)M T Wrote:(11-03-2020, 04:47 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Counterargument: You have to live long enough to accomplish something to make you famous, so, on average, famous people will be older than the overall population.I disagree. I think most of the entertainment industry celebrities are probably famous by the time they are 1/3 of the average life span.
That's true of sports figures (if you don't already consider that entertainment) as well.
Political, industrial, military, medical leaders are going to be older.
Criminals are a mixed bag.
Authors probably are older for the most part.
Tech celebrities are usually younger when they become famous.
I also think most active celebrities are dependent on interaction with others, and so are more likely to be exposed to an infectious disease than somebody working with the same group of people day after day.
Yes, but even if you become famous early in life, you remain famous the rest of your life.
BC
RE: Stanford great tests positive - JJJ - 11-04-2020
Don Kennedy (RIP) was famous in this community and has his own Wikipedia page.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Kennedy
RE: Stanford great tests positive - newguy - 11-04-2020
(11-04-2020, 03:34 AM)JJJ Wrote: Don Kennedy (RIP) was famous in this community and has his own Wikipedia page.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Kennedy
i miss that man.
he potentially saved lives by getting Roble retrofitted before the earthquake.
RE: Stanford great tests positive - thatboy - 11-05-2020
(11-03-2020, 01:54 PM)Publius Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30250783/denver-broncos-president-john-elway-ceo-joe-ellis-test-positive-coronavirus
Has anybody else noticed that not a single celebrity has died of COVID19? The most famous person I can think of that COVID19 has claimed as a fatality is one of Siegfried & Roy.
Herman Cain
RE: Stanford great tests positive - fullmetal - 11-05-2020
Is it really death if his Twitter account keeps posting?
RE: Stanford great tests positive - magnus - 11-17-2020
(11-03-2020, 01:54 PM)Publius Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30250783/denver-broncos-president-john-elway-ceo-joe-ellis-test-positive-coronavirus
Has anybody else noticed that not a single celebrity has died of COVID19? The most famous person I can think of that COVID19 has claimed as a fatality is one of Siegfried & Roy.
Infamous producer Harvey Weinstein is very ill with what is likely Covid reports TMZ. Some say he had Covid earlier this year but it may never have been officially diagnosed.
https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/17/harvey-weinstein-very-ill-covid-likely/
Anyway, not related to the subject, and not a death, but yes to famous.