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Shaw's post-game comments - qwerty49 - 11-08-2020

Apologies if this was linked in another thread, but apparently this is a transcript of Shaw's post-game remarks to the media.


https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2020/11/what-david-shaw-said-about-stanford-lost-at-oregon.html

Couldn't find any recap of the game; usually the ESPN site has one but not this time.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - winflop - 11-08-2020

Pathetic that nobody had the guts to ask him about calling 5 pass plays in a row with 1st & goal inside the 5 and a third-string true freshman QB, followed by a decision to kick an FG with a guy who'd missed three already and being down three scores.

Absolutely gutless wimps

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - VB Card - 11-08-2020

(11-08-2020, 01:01 PM)winflop Wrote:  Pathetic that nobody had the guts to ask him about calling 5 pass plays in a row with 1st & goal inside the 5 and a third-string true freshman QB, followed by a decision to kick an FG with a guy who'd missed three already and being down three scores.

Absolutely gutless wimps
 

Troy Clardy did ask him specifically about some of the 4th down calls tho. I will say, those questions are more hard-hitting than the softballs I'm used to seeing ACC coaches get in press conferences.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - winflop - 11-08-2020

(11-08-2020, 06:53 PM)VB Card Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 01:01 PM)winflop Wrote:  Pathetic that nobody had the guts to ask him about calling 5 pass plays in a row with 1st & goal inside the 5 and a third-string true freshman QB, followed by a decision to kick an FG with a guy who'd missed three already and being down three scores.

Absolutely gutless wimps
 

Troy Clardy did ask him specifically about some of the 4th down calls tho. I will say, those questions are more hard-hitting than the softballs I'm used to seeing ACC coaches get in press conferences.

Yeah in the first half when things were going relatively well. Still a softball question.

"Coach, can you please walk us through your thinking on the sequence when you were 1st & goal inside the 5 in the fourth quarter?"
"Coach, why did you choose to kick a FG when you're down 3 scores with 10 minutes left in the game?"

Those would be some politely-worded non-softball questions that should have been asked

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - fullmetal - 11-08-2020

Clearly Shaw second-guessed himself and didn't trust his OL to execute against an Oregon goal line defense.  Bad call Shaw, your OL was blocking decently enough to eventually earn Austin Jones 2 TDs and 100+ yds rushing.  This is the strength of your offense this year, and you gotta figure out how to ride it.  

Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - Goose - 11-09-2020

(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...
Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - SamuelMcF - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...
Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.

+1. Seemed pretty obvious to me. D wasn't gonna stop anything at that point, so the game was already over. May as well try to give Jet a gimme to build his confidence back.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - JohnR34231 - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...
Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.

I don't know. We get a TD, a turnover for another one and we are right back in it.
I mean look what happened two years ago. I realize there was more time left then, but still.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - old spanish trail - 11-09-2020

(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Clearly Shaw second-guessed himself and didn't trust his OL to execute against an Oregon goal line defense.  Bad call Shaw, your OL was blocking decently enough to eventually earn Austin Jones 2 TDs and 100+ yds rushing.  This is the strength of your offense this year, and you gotta figure out how to ride it.  

Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...

No, I think the problem was Shaw didn't trust McKee to execute a clean hand off in the congested goal line offense. He should have inserted West at that point, imo. McKee must not have practiced any goal line passes other than the jump ball.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - winflop - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...
Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.

You may be right, but someone should have asked him the question and nobody did

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - Goose - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 01:00 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(11-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...
Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.

You may be right, but someone should have asked him the question and nobody did

I can see that argument, but if I am correct, Shaw couldn't do anything but dodge the question. It also may have pissed him off, so why risk it?

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - Phogge - 11-09-2020

Not his job to get pissed. Beat reporters are scared to ask tough questions because they might lose access.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - Mick - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 01:59 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Not his job to get pissed. Beat reporters are scared to ask tough questions because they might lose access.

Or get fired from announcing gigs. No soup for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euLQOQNVzgY

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - teejers1 - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 01:30 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-09-2020, 01:00 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(11-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...
Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.

You may be right, but someone should have asked him the question and nobody did

I can see that argument, but if I am correct, Shaw couldn't do anything but dodge the question. It also may have pissed him off, so why risk it?

Oh no . . . he might be "pissed" at me if I ask him a basic question that any decent reporter should ask?!?  

Good God, the entire media have been a bunch of lap dogs for the most unqualified offensive coach at Stanford since . . . I don't know when.  The Dark Times were awful, including offensively, but they didn't have the horses that Stanford has had under Shaw's watch (and credit for that largely goes to Shaw).  Shaw should thank his lucky stars that he coaches at a school that doesn't give a rip about football, has a fan base that doesn't care, either, and media participants that collectively lack balls.

P.S.  If you ever have time to burn, scroll around on YouTube and look at teams - even from the 80s (when the team record wasn't good) - and watch those teams play offense.  It looks so much more energized and creative (but perhaps that's just my Old Man's "back in my day" thinking kicking in).

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - Goose - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 07:05 PM)teejers1 Wrote:  
(11-09-2020, 01:30 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-09-2020, 01:00 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(11-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-08-2020, 10:49 PM)fullmetal Wrote:  Also, going for a FG down three scores with 10 min left...if Shaw doesn't give an answer, then the obvious unspoken answer is the really disappointing and uncharacteristic answer about motivation...

Although nobody seems willing to verbalize it, I think the answer is in the back of everybody's mind. Shaw figured we weren't going to win this game at this point, but that he needs Toner to be good the rest of the year. Show some confidence in him and let him get back on track. Didn't work out that way, but I am pretty sure that was the thinking.



You may be right, but someone should have asked him the question and nobody did



I can see that argument, but if I am correct, Shaw couldn't do anything but dodge the question. It also may have pissed him off, so why risk it?



Oh no . . . he might be "pissed" at me if I ask him a basic question that any decent reporter should ask?!?  


Well, if you know he is going to dodge the question (because the true answer involves saying something everybody knows but doesn't admit to), I don't think it is a question any decent reporter should ask. Asking it is pointless, because you know it can't be answered truthfully so it won't be answered at all. I think there are plenty of more "interesting" questions, some of which you have  raised, that CAN be answered, so I suggest any decent reporter should ask those questions.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - BostonCard - 11-09-2020

This really isn't about getting a substantive answer from Shaw, because he is too practiced to break down and show anything but complete confidence in his decision-making (the only thing worse than a coach that makes bad decisions is a coach constantly second-guessing his decisions).  This is about getting a little bit of catharsis and extracting some semblance of rhetorical vengeance for the people who feel that coaching decisions are a personal affront.  Some people just want their pound of flesh, and the closest they think it can be offered up is at a meaningless press conference after a meaningless game in a meaningless season.

BC

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - teejers1 - 11-09-2020

(11-09-2020, 08:51 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  This really isn't about getting a substantive answer from Shaw, because he is too practiced to break down and show anything but complete confidence in his decision-making (the only thing worse than a coach that makes bad decisions is a coach constantly second-guessing his decisions).  This is about getting a little bit of catharsis and extracting some semblance of rhetorical vengeance for the people who feel that coaching decisions are a personal affront.  Some people just want their pound of flesh, and the closest they think it can be offered up is at a meaningless press conference after a meaningless game in a meaningless season.

BC

Seriously?  I'd say one thing worse is a coach who makes bad decisions and is in complete denial about how bad they are because, in part, no one calls him on it.

But hey, that's just on fan's opinion.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - winflop - 11-10-2020

(11-09-2020, 08:51 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  the only thing worse than a coach that makes bad decisions is a coach constantly second-guessing his decisions

BC

Couldn't disagree more strongly. The only thing worse than a coach who makes bad decisions is a coach who doesn't acknowledge and learn from them because they will make the same bad decisions the next time too.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - Goose - 11-10-2020

(11-10-2020, 05:21 PM)winflop Wrote:  Couldn't disagree more strongly. The only thing worse than a coach who makes bad decisions is a coach who doesn't acknowledge and learn from them because they will make the same bad decisions the next time too.
I don't actually care if the coach acknowledges his bad decisions. Might be nice in terms of perception, but the only thing that matters is whether the coach gets better over time. Lots of the decisions people on sports boards call "bad" are matters of opinion. Naturally, those who assert the decision was "bad" are always right, at least in their own mind.

RE: Shaw's post-game comments - teejers1 - 11-10-2020

(11-10-2020, 06:22 PM)Goose Wrote:  
(11-10-2020, 05:21 PM)winflop Wrote:  Couldn't disagree more strongly. The only thing worse than a coach who makes bad decisions is a coach who doesn't acknowledge and learn from them because they will make the same bad decisions the next time too.
I don't actually care if the coach acknowledges his bad decisions. Might be nice in terms of perception, but the only thing that matters is whether the coach gets better over time. Lots of the decisions people on sports boards call "bad" are matters of opinion. Naturally, those who assert the decision was "bad" are always right, at least in their own mind.

I've seen so many excuses like your post, Goose, about Shaw's play calling decisions being just a matter of opinion.
So let me ask you point blank:  do you think Shaw has a good grasp of game situations, control of the offense (in terms of what is/is not working), and a good implementation of his offense?  I think he is below average on all of it - way too many many examples of poor in-game decisions, indecisiveness, and no sense of going with what his eyes tell him.  It's incredible.  And he is now into his 10th season as the man calling plays for Stanford's offenses, and the raw numbers (and the particulars) reveal mediocrity on that front. 

I truly am astounded by people who continue to defend him.  And lex, you never responded to the "it's okay to pass on 2nd and 3 at Oregon 33, if you're willing to run it on third and fourth down because you anticipate going for it on fourth down, if necessary."  Shaw reveals this myopia repeatedly, and no one calls him on it.

You know like:  "Hey coach, when you had second and 3 at Oregon's 33 yard line, were you thinking that you were in four-down territory?"  (Obviously, he cannot say "yes," given what he called - but it at least presents the issue to him).  And then follow up with "Why not?"