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LA shuts down outdoor dining - BostonCard - 11-22-2020

[tweet]https://twitter.com/felixsalmon/status/1330715209598701569?s=21[/tweet]

Ships taking on water and we are running out of ballast to throw overboard.

BC

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - dabigv13 - 11-22-2020

They should just declare the stay at home order before Thanksgiving. It's coming soon anyway.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - Goose - 11-22-2020

(11-22-2020, 08:54 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: They should just declare the stay at home order before Thanksgiving. It's coming soon anyway.

Totally agree. If they had declared it last week sometime it might have reduced travel to/from the area for Thanksgiving. Too late for that at this point however.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - 82 Card - 11-23-2020

According to worldometers.info, LA had a big increase in new cases today. The site is showing 6116 new case, which amounts to 60.6/100k. I computed the 7 day average as 40/100k.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - BostonCard - 11-23-2020

Here's the line to get tested at Dodger stadium

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1331029800815796225?s=20[/tweet]

I'm sure a lot of it is people trying to do Thanksgiving "safely", never mind that someone could be exposed and become positive by Thursday. We know how the testing strategy worked for keeping the President safe.

BC

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - Farm93 - 11-23-2020

It is so sad.
December will be awful.
Too many Americans will believe they can just have an evening with their family, and all will be OK.
Ample reasons for why people think their friends and their family will not do them harm, but that faith in friendship over science will not serve them well.
And then to think that many of those same people will then spend the weekend browsing packed stores!!!
Yikes.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - magnus - 11-23-2020

(11-23-2020, 07:01 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Here's the line to get tested at Dodger stadium

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1331029800815796225?s=20[/tweet]

I'm sure a lot of it is people trying to do Thanksgiving "safely", never mind that someone could be exposed and become positive by Thursday. We know how the testing strategy worked for keeping the President safe.

BC

I think that was the overflow for the In N Out lines in Colorado

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14 hour wait!

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - BostonCard - 11-23-2020

I don't get it. No hamburger is worth 14 hours of my life. But if one were, it wouldn't be an In N Out burger. Don't get me wrong; I like them fine. Amongst fast food places, they have one of the better burgers out there. But 14 hours? WTF?

BC

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - chrisk - 11-23-2020

Starting Thanksgiving Day, Santa Clara County will be handing out actual citations (not warnings) to businesses and individuals who are violating mask, distancing, and other health orders. The citations start at $500 and go up from there.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - Goose - 11-23-2020

(11-23-2020, 09:17 PM)chrisk Wrote: Starting Thanksgiving Day, Santa Clara County will be handing out actual citations (not warnings) to businesses and individuals who are violating mask, distancing, and other health orders. The citations start at $500 and go up from there.

Way past time. Now, what are they going to do about people who test positive and don't isolate? What about people who are informed they have been exposed and don't quarantine?

Whatever one may say about PAC-12 football, it appears they take isolation/quarantine somewhat seriously. If only everybody else did!

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - teejers1 - 11-23-2020

(11-23-2020, 08:59 PM)magnus Wrote:
(11-23-2020, 07:01 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Here's the line to get tested at Dodger stadium

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1331029800815796225?s=20[/tweet]

I'm sure a lot of it is people trying to do Thanksgiving "safely", never mind that someone could be exposed and become positive by Thursday. We know how the testing strategy worked for keeping the President safe.

BC
I think that was the overflow for the In N Out lines in Colorado

14 hour wait!

You're joking, right? That just can't be right.

But the In 'n Out at Rengstorff and 101 is a mini-cluster of its own. the workers there need to figure out how better to serpentine the car line in the parking lot because most of the time the line is a one-turn one that goes from whatever that road is separating In 'n Out and Costco right to the drive through line. The back up often spills out onto the road and makes traffic there a bit of a mess.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - magnus - 11-24-2020

(11-23-2020, 10:36 PM)teejers1 Wrote:
(11-23-2020, 08:59 PM)magnus Wrote:
(11-23-2020, 07:01 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Here's the line to get tested at Dodger stadium
I think that was the overflow for the In N Out lines in Colorado

14 hour wait!

You're joking, right? That just can't be right.

Last week, Colorado got its first 2 In-N-Outs. One in Colorado Springs, one in Aurora. The Aurora one apparently had lines 1.5-2 miles long and the local police estimated a 14 hour wait. (just an estimate...I didn't find any testimonials). The Colorado Springs had their first customer camp out in the parking lot for 3 or so days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/11/20/in-n-out-comes-to-colorado-fans-wait-for-hours-camp-out-for-days/6365689002/

I think something similar (though not as extreme) happened in Texas when they opened up their first In-N-Outs a few years ago (oh wow, not a few years but 9 years ago)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/in-n-out-burger-north-texas-expansion_n_861172

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - Goose - 11-24-2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/health/coronavirus-holiday-gatherings.html?smid=tw-share

So the evidence isn't really there? It is really unfortunate that we now have to worry about whether our public health officials are actually looking at the data? We have seen evidence of this for a while, but it does appear there is a bit of grasping at straws going on.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - 82 Card - 11-24-2020

(11-24-2020, 10:46 AM)magnus Wrote: Last week, Colorado got its first 2 In-N-Outs. One in Colorado Springs, one in Aurora. The Aurora one apparently had lines 1.5-2 miles long and the local police estimated a 14 hour wait. (just an estimate...I didn't find any testimonials). The Colorado Springs had their first customer camp out in the parking lot for 3 or so days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/11/20/in-n-out-comes-to-colorado-fans-wait-for-hours-camp-out-for-days/6365689002/

I think something similar (though not as extreme) happened in Texas when they opened up their first In-N-Outs a few years ago (oh wow, not a few years but 9 years ago)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/in-n-out-burger-north-texas-expansion_n_861172

In 14 hours, I could go to the butcher shop, get fresh ground meat, take it home, mix it up with some bread crumbs and spices, cook it up just right, eat it with my favorite brew, clean up and get a full night's sleep. I like In 'n Out but it ain't worth waiting in line for.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - BostonCard - 11-24-2020

Speaking of "outdoor" dining

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jameshamblin/status/1330628349937541124?s=20[/tweet]

Note, the virus doesn't know that the enclosed area you are eating in maskless was once a sidewalk, and it doesn't care.

BC

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - teejers1 - 11-24-2020

(11-24-2020, 04:29 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Speaking of "outdoor" dining

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jameshamblin/status/1330628349937541124?s=20[/tweet]

Note, the virus doesn't know that the enclosed area you are eating in maskless was once a sidewalk, and it doesn't care.

BC

Feel the same way about outdoor dining under canopies with 3 plastic walls. WTH?!? 1 wall; 2 max under those canopies (and they should be oppo each other).

lex24 - lex24 - 11-25-2020

https://www.yahoo.com/now/los-angeles-dept-public-health-005210924.html. And the ones that suffer are the service workers. Already struggling to put food on the table.

(11-24-2020, 11:44 AM)Goose Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/health/coronavirus-holiday-gatherings.html?smid=tw-share

So the evidence isn't really there? It is really unfortunate that we now have to worry about whether our public health officials are actually looking at the data? We have seen evidence of this for a while, but it does appear there is a bit of grasping at straws going on.

But the get togethers, even if small, are easy targets. We can blame “bad behavior”. I wonder if the big election night celebrations added to the spread. Nah. Masked. Plus they were the “right “ people.

(11-24-2020, 04:27 PM)82 Card Wrote:
(11-24-2020, 10:46 AM)magnus Wrote: Last week, Colorado got its first 2 In-N-Outs. One in Colorado Springs, one in Aurora. The Aurora one apparently had lines 1.5-2 miles long and the local police estimated a 14 hour wait. (just an estimate...I didn't find any testimonials). The Colorado Springs had their first customer camp out in the parking lot for 3 or so days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/11/20/in-n-out-comes-to-colorado-fans-wait-for-hours-camp-out-for-days/6365689002/

I think something similar (though not as extreme) happened in Texas when they opened up their first In-N-Outs a few years ago (oh wow, not a few years but 9 years ago)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/in-n-out-burger-north-texas-expansion_n_861172

In 14 hours, I could go to the butcher shop, get fresh ground meat, take it home, mix it up with some bread crumbs and spices, cook it up just right, eat it with my favorite brew, clean up and get a full night's sleep. I like In 'n Out but it ain't worth waiting in line for.

THe lines at in and outs are constantly very very long. I’d do Door Dash. But in and out doesn’t. I’m not waiting in those lines.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - BostonCard - 11-25-2020

(11-24-2020, 11:44 AM)Goose Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/health/coronavirus-holiday-gatherings.html?smid=tw-share

So the evidence isn't really there? It is really unfortunate that we now have to worry about whether our public health officials are actually looking at the data? We have seen evidence of this for a while, but it does appear there is a bit of grasping at straws going on.

Right. When people say "follow the science", that means that if the data doesn't support your hypothesis that small gatherings are a nexus of spread of the virus, then stop telling people that their small gatherings are spreading the virus. I'm as guilty as anyone in following the conventional wisdom that small gatherings were bad, but if the data is not there to support it, then the assumption needs to be reassessed.

I really do wish we would have much better data available in near real time to guide us. You keep harping on the failure of contact tracing, epidemiology and local public health, and I don't think that can be emphasized enough. It isn't just contact tracing on an individual level and stopping individual chains of transmission (which is important, to be sure), but also in learning patterns that place people at high risk. I was struck by two comments in the article:

Quote:“More and more, our exposures are due to community spread and are not traceable to a single event,” said Nicole Peske, chief communications officer for the North Dakota Department of Health. “Many individuals are reporting more than one exposure.”

and

Quote:In Minnesota, up to the week ending Nov. 12, there were about 202,000 coronavirus infections. Nearly 12,000 were attributed to restaurants, bars and sports sites, and about 17,000 to congregate care settings.

Yet more than 115,000 of the cases could not be traced back to a known setting. “Identifying any one activity as the driver of the surge misses the fact that all activities become riskier as local case levels rise,” Dr. Murray said.

Our limited infrastructure was challenged before the fall surge; now it is completely overwhelmed. But at the least we (our public health and government officials) should be focused on the low-hanging fruit. Find the activities that are clearly leading to the most infections and restrict or risk-reduce those. Then repeat the process.

BC

lex24 - lex24 - 11-25-2020

Pennsylvania cutting off liquor sales after 5. NYC setting up Covid checkpoints on bridge enterances into the city. I am glad that at least they waited till after the election to start throwing out whatever pops into their head to impose further restrictions. Otherwise, Trump would have won.

Please tell me how buying a bottle of Pinot at 5:30 contributes.

RE: LA shuts down outdoor dining - BostonCard - 11-25-2020

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Elex_Michaelson/status/1331652384695623680?s=20[/tweet]

Is shutting down outdoor dining overkill? I think opponents of the lockdowns are right to be frustrated given the lack of transparency into the decision-making. Note I am not reflexively anti-restrictions. If there is a good rationale for limiting certain activities based on data, we should definitely limit them. And if the LA County health commissioner showed that limiting outdoor dining (or for Lex, limiting alcohol sales) is necessary because of spread through this mechanism, then by all means limit them.

BC