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A solution for overtime in football - BostonCard - 03-10-2021

It's brilliant; I wish I had thought of it, and I hope it becomes the standard in both the NFL and college.  It's called "spot and chose", a take on "cut and choose" when trying to decide how to split a slice of cake.

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/pundits-love-ravens-reported-spot-and-choose-overtime-rule-change-proposal

Quote:one team select[s] where to spot the ball at the start of the first overtime possession and the other team pick[s] whether to play offense or defense.

For example, the Ravens could spot the ball at the 10-yard line. Then their opponent would have to pick whether it wants to start on offense from its own 10-yard line or play defense.

There's still a coin toss, but it only determines which teams gets to pick between spotting the ball (and direction of play) or choosing the side.

BC

RE: A solution for overtime in football - oldalum - 03-10-2021

isn't the pro rule sudden death--which is the impetus for the proposal--while college it's equal number of possessions?

RE: A solution for overtime in football - burger - 03-10-2021

If they institute this, every NFL team will need a game theory expert on staff to figure out the best choice.

RE: A solution for overtime in football - 82lsju - 03-10-2021

(03-10-2021, 08:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  It's brilliant; I wish I had thought of it, and I hope it becomes the standard in both the NFL and college.  It's called "spot and chose", a take on "cut and choose" when trying to decide how to split a slice of cake.

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/pundits-love-ravens-reported-spot-and-choose-overtime-rule-change-proposal

Quote:one team select[s] where to spot the ball at the start of the first overtime possession and the other team pick[s] whether to play offense or defense.

For example, the Ravens could spot the ball at the 10-yard line. Then their opponent would have to pick whether it wants to start on offense from its own 10-yard line or play defense.

There's still a coin toss, but it only determines which teams gets to pick between spotting the ball (and direction of play) or choosing the side.

BC

in the regular season I'm fine with tie games...

RE: A solution for overtime in football - BostonCard - 03-10-2021

(03-10-2021, 08:19 PM)oldalum Wrote:  isn't the pro rule sudden death--which is the impetus for the proposal--while college it's equal number of possessions?

It's sudden death after each team gets at least one possession, unless the first team scores a touchdown, but it still gives the team that receives an unfair advantage.

You are right that in college, there are an equal number of possessions, but there is a slight advantage to going on offense second, since the team going second knows what they have to do to win.  Consider a team getting to fourth down.  Unless it is fourth and very short, the team on offense first will generally kick a field goal, not knowing what the second team will do.  OTOH, the second team can tailor their strategy knowing how much they have to score; if the first team scored a field goal or failed to score, you can kick the field goal, whereas if the first team scored a touchdown, you know you have to score a touchdown.

I think very quickly teams would know roughly what the generally optimal place to spot the ball is, with some slight variation to account for the teams relative offensive and defensive strengths (a team with a strong offense and weak defense would spot the ball deeper than a team with a strong defense and weak offense).

Since you get sudden death from the get-go, it becomes more exciting, and better than college, where a team can score but then has to see if they can stop their opponent.

BC

RE: A solution for overtime in football - 82lsju - 03-10-2021

(03-10-2021, 09:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  I think very quickly teams would know roughly what the generally optimal place to spot the ball is, with some slight variation to account for the teams relative offensive and defensive strengths (a team with a strong offense and weak defense would spot the ball deeper than a team with a strong defense and weak offense).

BC

Quote:PFT shares that the tipping point for the spot would likely be the 13-yard line noting that from the 14 yard line out, the team choosing offense or defense would be more likely to take the ball, and from the 12 yard line in the team would be more likely to choose  defense.

https://footballscoop.com/news/report-the-ravens-are-proposing-an-innovative-spot-and-choose-overtime-solution/

RE: A solution for overtime in football - Phogge - 03-10-2021

The game is supposed to be 60 minutes. Let there be ties, even in bowl games. In the NFL keep the current rule for playoffs. I’ve missed a bunch of flights because of NFL regular season overtimes.

RE: A solution for overtime in football - BostonCard - 03-10-2021

(03-10-2021, 10:21 PM)Phogge Wrote:  The game is supposed to be 60 minutes. Let there be ties, even in bowl games. In the NFL keep the current rule for playoffs. I’ve missed a bunch of flights because of NFL regular season overtimes.

I'm ok with this, especially in college and in regular season pro games.  Sudden death can be fun to watch, but not when it's Pac-12 after dark from Pullman and 58-58 in the fourth overtime at 1 in the morning.

BC

RE: A solution for overtime in football - Phogge - 03-11-2021

Pullman needs to be annexed by Canada.

RE: A solution for overtime in football - Goose - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 06:45 AM)Phogge Wrote:  Pullman needs to be annexed by Canada.
Can we trade Pullman for Vancouver? Failing that, how about for Hull?

RE: A solution for overtime in football - Phogge - 03-11-2021

I'd trade Pullman for Rachel McAdams and Evangeline Lilly.