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Undrafteds - donkey687 - 05-01-2021

Congrats to the guys drafted. I can see all five of those guys having successful NFL careers.

Good luck to the undrafteds who will hopefully sign UDFA deals.

While I don't blame Schaffer, Robinson or Harrington for not coming back for a sixth year as 5 years of college is a lot, but I wonder if Sarrell or Weddington is having any regrets about not coming back for a fifth year. They could have been more heralded players for Stanford next year and have been in a better position for the NFL. I wish them luck but they have a tough path in front of them to make a NFL roster.


RE: Undrafteds - 82lsju - 05-01-2021

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RE: Undrafteds - Phogge - 05-01-2021

Strange place for Weddington to sign. Besides Metcalf and Lockett the Hawks have five other wideouts with NFL experience. Hw will need to prove he can break a return and play on spec teams. Robinson goes to a franchise on the skids so he has a chance.

Tomas Schaffer signs with Bears.


RE: Undrafteds - BostonCard - 05-01-2021

They are going to be long shots to stick as UDFA’s almost anywhere, but history shows that it can be done, including as a wideout in Seattle.

Good luck to them.

BC


RE: Undrafteds - 82lsju - 05-01-2021

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RE: Undrafteds - winflop - 05-01-2021

Yay, two Bearssss - and no Packers!


RE: Undrafteds - Phogge - 05-01-2021

The two “C” logos look like the guys signed with the Cincinnati Reds.


RE: Undrafteds - 82lsju - 05-01-2021

(05-01-2021, 08:02 PM)Phogge Wrote:  The two “C” logos look like the guys signed with the Cincinnati Reds.

+1, and I grew up in Cincinnati...


RE: Undrafteds - Austroturf - 05-02-2021

Any news on whether KJ Costello managed to secure an undrafted free agent deal?


RE: Undrafteds - Mick - 05-02-2021

(05-02-2021, 02:33 AM)Austroturf Wrote:  Any news on whether KJ Costello managed to secure an undrafted free agent deal?

These folks listed him as #250 overall, and in their Top 50 remaining undrafted free agents.

2021 NFL Draft: Big Board, Top 50 undrafted free agents available - Behind the Steel Curtain


RE: Undrafteds - Hurlburt88 - 05-02-2021

I don't believe KJ has been signed


RE: Undrafteds - Austroturf - 05-02-2021

(05-02-2021, 07:27 AM)Hurlburt88 Wrote:  I don't believe KJ has been signed

Yes, I haven't seen anything yet.  I like KJ and hope he at least gets a shot to prove himself on the next level.


lex24 - lex24 - 05-02-2021

(05-01-2021, 06:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  They are going to be long shots to stick as UDFA’s almost anywhere, but history shows that it can be done, including as a wideout in Seattle.

Good luck to them.

BC

Special teams will be crucial for Wedington.

(05-01-2021, 04:09 PM)donkey687 Wrote:  Congrats to the guys drafted. I can see all five of those guys having successful NFL careers.

Good luck to the undrafteds who will hopefully sign UDFA deals.

While I don't blame Schaffer, Robinson or Harrington for not coming back for a sixth year as 5 years of college is a lot, but I wonder if Sarrell or Weddington is having any regrets about not coming back for a fifth year. They could have been more heralded players for Stanford next year and have been in a better position for the NFL. I wish them luck but they have a tough path in front of them to make a NFL roster.

One change I’d like to see.  Undrafted players with eligibility should be able to return for their last year if they choose.


RE: lex24 - SamuelMcF - 05-02-2021

(05-02-2021, 09:48 AM)lex24 Wrote:  
(05-01-2021, 04:09 PM)donkey687 Wrote:  Congrats to the guys drafted. I can see all five of those guys having successful NFL careers.

Good luck to the undrafteds who will hopefully sign UDFA deals.

While I don't blame Schaffer, Robinson or Harrington for not coming back for a sixth year as 5 years of college is a lot, but I wonder if Sarrell or Weddington is having any regrets about not coming back for a fifth year. They could have been more heralded players for Stanford next year and have been in a better position for the NFL. I wish them luck but they have a tough path in front of them to make a NFL roster.

One change I’d like to see.  Undrafted players with eligibility should be able to return for their last year if they choose.

Sounds like a logistical nightmare if agents are already signed.


RE: lex24 - CowboyIndian - 05-02-2021

(05-02-2021, 09:57 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  Sounds like a logistical nightmare if agents are already signed.

Probably naive, but why do you need an agent before the draft?


lex24 - lex24 - 05-02-2021

(05-02-2021, 09:57 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(05-02-2021, 09:48 AM)lex24 Wrote:  
(05-01-2021, 04:09 PM)donkey687 Wrote:  Congrats to the guys drafted. I can see all five of those guys having successful NFL careers.

Good luck to the undrafteds who will hopefully sign UDFA deals.

While I don't blame Schaffer, Robinson or Harrington for not coming back for a sixth year as 5 years of college is a lot, but I wonder if Sarrell or Weddington is having any regrets about not coming back for a fifth year. They could have been more heralded players for Stanford next year and have been in a better position for the NFL. I wish them luck but they have a tough path in front of them to make a NFL roster.

One change I’d like to see.  Undrafted players with eligibility should be able to return for their last year if they choose.

Sounds like a logistical nightmare if agents are already signed.

Not really, just have a clause in contract that it terminates if player not drafted and opts to go back to play in college.  Of course, the agent can’t pay anything upfront or provide  anything of value until UDFA decides to sign with a team.

NCAA could work with agents on the appropriate language and circumstances.

But I doubt there is much will to do it.  After all, the only one benefitting is the student-player who is given a choice.

(05-02-2021, 12:00 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:  
(05-02-2021, 09:57 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  Sounds like a logistical nightmare if agents are already signed.

Probably naive, but why do you need an agent before the draft?

Agents will cover pre draft expenses. And I think also front money as loans.


RE: Undrafteds - fullmetal - 05-02-2021

Yeah, Wedington as a PR/KR would be a great fit.  Sad to see Sarell not be drafted, but hopefully he used that team flexibility to his advantage.  The Ravens value their OL, and he'll get to block for Lamar Jackson if he makes the team.


RE: Undrafteds - PVTree - 05-03-2021

In the undrafted/unsigned category, I'm hoping someone (Da Bearsss) picks up Bryce Love.


RE: Undrafteds - gailtate - 05-03-2021

(05-03-2021, 12:42 AM)PVTree Wrote:  In the undrafted/unsigned category, I'm hoping someone (Da Bearsss) picks up Bryce Love.

I would think if he had some value that somebody would have reeled him in by now. Realistically, I wish he would just pursue a real career in pediatrics of something related. You know, something he could do for the next "40 years" and make a real difference in peoples' lives?


RE: Undrafteds - CardinalSagehen - 05-03-2021

(05-03-2021, 01:30 PM)gailtate Wrote:  
(05-03-2021, 12:42 AM)PVTree Wrote:  In the undrafted/unsigned category, I'm hoping someone (Da Bearsss) picks up Bryce Love.

I would think if he had some value that somebody would have reeled him in by now. Realistically, I wish he would just pursue a real career in pediatrics of something related. You know, something he could do for the next "40 years" and make a real difference in peoples' lives?

In addition, it may be counter to his financial interests at this point to return to a football camp.  He presumably purchased an insurance policy for "loss of value" in 2018.  See this NCAA whitepaper for details. (I'm not quite sure if the "permanent total disability" claim kicks in after "loss of value," but it probably doesn't make a difference to the rest of my argument.)

Bryce dropped from a ~2nd round grade prior to the 2018 season to the 4th round after the injury. In his case, the likely coverage amount could have been as much as $4-5M, or 60% of his expected contract value.  (I'm assuming there's some significant discounting of non-guaranteed money, but I don't really know.  Several sources suggest that most policies for 1st/2nd rounders range around $5M of coverage.) 

During his two seasons, Bryce earned $1.65M from the WFT. (Good for him!) I'm speculating that he can close the book permanently on football and make himself eligible for the full balance of the loss of value and/or disability payout. 

If this is true, playing at the NFL minimum or on a practice squad would be irrational. It would require very high confidence that he could work his way into a more substantial contract with a decent signing bonus. This involves (a) staying healthy enough, presuming that he is healthy enough now, which is a big assumption; (b) beating out other qualified, talented, healthy players for the opportunity; and ( c ) being on the right team and in the right situation to perform. (See Bryce's performance at Stanford in 2018 vs. 2017 for a reminder that the surrounding cast matters!)

While I, as a fan, would greatly enjoy seeing him play again, it probably makes no sense for him unless he truly can't live without pursuing his football dream. 

Even if you disagree with my speculation about how these insurance policies really work, I think he'd reasonably require some guaranteed money up-front.  I doubt any team will offer that, but I hope to be wrong.

On the bright side, you don't have to feel too sorry for him - he's made some good money already!