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Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - lex24 - 09-13-2021

Not a word in Sporting Green today.  And of course it ended too late for any Sunday edition. The Bay Area papers don’t give two hoots about Stanford (or Cal). Part of that is due to general area disinterest.  Part of it is budget cuts, so no one is assigned.

I miss the Palo Alto Times……


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - Mick - 09-13-2021

Mercury News:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/09/12/stanford-finds-its-qb-in-victory-at-usc/

It was on the Chronicle, but super difficult to find.  It wasn't on the banner, or the "sports" link or even the "college sports" link.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/McKee-leads-Stanford-s-42-28-upset-rout-of-No-14-16452408.php


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - terry - 09-13-2021

The Mercury News didn't cover the game in Sunday's print edition because the game finished late at night.

The 49ers dominated Monday's sports stories in the Mercury News. The Stanford game was covered in an article on page 6 of the sports section.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - BostonCard - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 08:02 AM)lex24 Wrote:  Not a word in Sporting Green today.  And of course it ended too late for any Sunday edition. The Bay Area papers don’t give two hoots about Stanford (or Cal). Part of that is due to general area disinterest.  Part of it is budget cuts, so no one is assigned.

I miss the Palo Alto Times……

Since us fans don't give two hoots about the Bay Area papers, I'd say the feelings are mutual.  In this day and age, the question that fans would want to know is how much coverage the game got on ESPN or the Athletic.

BC


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - PVTree - 09-13-2021

Bill Plaschke from the LA Times knows...

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-09-12/usc-of immense proportions-mistake-fire-clay-helton-during-offseason?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true


Because the title has the word h-u-g-e, the url is being changed. Go to this page, scroll down to find the story

https://www.latimes.com/sports


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - BostonCard - 09-13-2021

Try this link: https://lat.ms/3AftQGU

I used bitly to shorten the link and thereby take out the offending word.

Plaschke doesn't mince words.

BC


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - Phogge - 09-13-2021

1999 is dead and gone. Isn't it a bit silly to keep having a reminder of that game?


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - SamuelMcF - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 11:52 AM)Phogge Wrote:  1999 is dead and gone. Isn't it a bit silly to keep having a reminder of that game?

You talk about stuff from the 50's and 60's CONSTANTLY.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - gailtate - 09-13-2021

C'mon Lex. More Stanford people than you want to believe don't give 2 schidts for "their" football program. So why the hell should the San Francisco Chronicle, in an era when media business models are based solely on clicks, devote their eroding resources to cover a college football team so that we old and dying fartz can savor a rare win? I'm serious. The Bay Area obsession with the Niners, Giants and Warriors put college football in the toilet years ago. The LA friggen Times has always done a better job of covering Stanford, esp. when the opponent is SC or UCLA. Another post cited the superiority of ESPN and The Athletic. Astute. I've known guys on the staff. They shake their heads and agree with me.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - BostonCard - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 12:03 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021, 11:52 AM)Phogge Wrote:  1999 is dead and gone. Isn't it a bit silly to keep having a reminder of that game?

You talk about stuff from the 50's and 60's CONSTANTLY.

touché!

BC


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - teejers1 - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 10:53 AM)PVTree Wrote:  Bill Plaschke from the LA Times knows...

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-09-12/usc-of immense proportions-mistake-fire-clay-helton-during-offseason?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true


Because the title has the word h-u-g-e, the url is being changed. Go to this page, scroll down to find the story

https://www.latimes.com/sports

Hmm.  The reference to Helton's last big win being in the Rose Bowl in 2016 . . . isn't that when Stanford beat Iowa?  (2015 season; RB in 2016?).

Did SC win the 2017 Rose Bowl?  Is Plaschke referring to a win over the Bruins?  That can't be right.

Regardless, agree that no punches are pulled in his column.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - BostonCard - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 12:50 PM)teejers1 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021, 10:53 AM)PVTree Wrote:  Bill Plaschke from the LA Times knows...

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-09-12/usc-of immense proportions-mistake-fire-clay-helton-during-offseason?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true


Because the title has the word h-u-g-e, the url is being changed. Go to this page, scroll down to find the story

https://www.latimes.com/sports

Hmm.  The reference to Helton's last big win being in the Rose Bowl in 2016 . . . isn't that when Stanford beat Iowa?  (2015 season; RB in 2016?).

Did SC win the 2017 Rose Bowl?  Is Plaschke referring to a win over the Bruins?  That can't be right.

Regardless, agree that no punches are pulled in his column.

Yeah, the Rose Bowl was Jan 2, 2017.  I think it's tough when the bowl game is after the new year; do you list it by the calendar year it occurred or the calendar year during which most of the season occurred.  AFAIK, the Rose Bowl goes by the name of the calendar year it actually happens in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rose_Bowl

But yeah, fair to say that that was Helton's last "big" win.

BC


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - Spiny_Norman - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 10:53 AM)PVTree Wrote:  Bill Plaschke from the LA Times knows...

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2021-09-12/usc-of immense proportions-mistake-fire-clay-helton-during-offseason?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true


Because the title has the word h-u-g-e, the url is being changed. Go to this page, scroll down to find the story

https://www.latimes.com/sports

When you've lost Bill Plaschke, well, he'll probably be back on the Helton bandwagon if USC recovers from their Stanford shellacking. His positions bend with whichever way the wind is blowing. I subscribe to the LA Times, but rarely read his column.

A more astute writer might have observed how USC coaches, with the exception of Pete Carroll, have failed to live up to the outsized expectations of the fans and alumni for the last 40 years. Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, John Robinson Part 2, Paul Hackett, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, Clay Helton. None of them has left a lasting mark of success. Maybe there is something wrong with the institution, rather than the coaches themselves.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - teejers1 - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 01:02 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  A more astute writer might have observed how USC coaches, with the exception of Pete Carroll, have failed to live up to the outsized expectations of the fans and alumni for the last 40 years. Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, John Robinson Part 2, Paul Hackett, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, Clay Helton. None of them has left a lasting mark of success. Maybe there is something wrong with the institution, rather than the coaches themselves.

I agree with your fundamental take, as stated in the last sentence.

Still . . . in your heart of hearts . . . don't you want SC to keep Helton for as long as possible?  As a Stanford fan, I do.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - BostonCard - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 01:02 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  A more astute writer might have observed how USC coaches, with the exception of Pete Carroll, have failed to live up to the outsized expectations of the fans and alumni for the last 40 years. Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, John Robinson Part 2, Paul Hackett, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, Clay Helton. None of them has left a lasting mark of success. Maybe there is something wrong with the institution, rather than the coaches themselves.

And Carroll had some games vacated for recruiting violations, which just reinforces your point.

BC


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - Phogge - 09-13-2021

OK. F*** it. I'm going over to the State board.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - Spiny_Norman - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 01:18 PM)teejers1 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021, 01:02 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  A more astute writer might have observed how USC coaches, with the exception of Pete Carroll, have failed to live up to the outsized expectations of the fans and alumni for the last 40 years. Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, John Robinson Part 2, Paul Hackett, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, Clay Helton. None of them has left a lasting mark of success. Maybe there is something wrong with the institution, rather than the coaches themselves.

I agree with your fundamental take, as stated in the last sentence.

Still . . . in your heart of hearts . . . don't you want SC to keep Helton for as long as possible?  As a Stanford fan, I do.

Oh most assuredly. I had nearly forgotten what schadenfreude felt like until Saturday night. It was very therapeutic.


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - BostonCard - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 01:31 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  
(09-13-2021, 01:18 PM)teejers1 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021, 01:02 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  A more astute writer might have observed how USC coaches, with the exception of Pete Carroll, have failed to live up to the outsized expectations of the fans and alumni for the last 40 years. Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, John Robinson Part 2, Paul Hackett, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, Clay Helton. None of them has left a lasting mark of success. Maybe there is something wrong with the institution, rather than the coaches themselves.

I agree with your fundamental take, as stated in the last sentence.

Still . . . in your heart of hearts . . . don't you want SC to keep Helton for as long as possible?  As a Stanford fan, I do.

Oh most assuredly. I had nearly forgotten what schadenfreude felt like until Saturday night. It was very therapeutic.

Yes, of course we want Helton to do just well enough not to be replaced.  The concern is that they might fall into a good coach by accident.

BC


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - Giants - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 12:14 PM)gailtate Wrote:  C'mon Lex. More Stanford people than you want to believe don't give 2 schidts for "their" football program. So why the hell should the San Francisco Chronicle, in an era when media business models are based solely on clicks, devote their eroding resources to cover a college football team so that we old and dying fartz can savor a rare win? I'm serious. The Bay Area obsession with the Niners, Giants and Warriors put college football in the toilet years ago. The LA friggen Times has always done a better job of covering Stanford, esp. when the opponent is SC or UCLA. Another post cited the superiority of ESPN and The Athletic. Astute. I've known guys on the staff. They shake their heads and agree with me.

You give the public what they want.  Since the Bay Area focus is on pro sports, you dedicate your resources to the pro sports.  In an area with a population of nearly eight million, what percentage graduated from Stanford or Cal or has a family member who did?  In addition, what percentage is not originally from the area and isn’t even aware that Stanford and Cal have football teams? In other words, the days of college sports being the top dog are loooong over. Coverage has been reduced accordingly……


RE: Does anyone besides us know Stan beat SC - chrisk - 09-13-2021

(09-13-2021, 09:49 AM)Mick Wrote:  Mercury News:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/09/12/stanford-finds-its-qb-in-victory-at-usc/

It was on the Chronicle, but super difficult to find.  It wasn't on the banner, or the "sports" link or even the "college sports" link.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/McKee-leads-Stanford-s-42-28-upset-rout-of-No-14-16452408.php

There was a picture from the game in the Sunday morning Chronicle with a reference to the website because the game finished after press time.

In our Monday morning Chronicle, there is a full-page headline across the top of page B11. The article is by AP, because the Chronicle does not send writers to away college football games anymore. Rusty Simmons writes the pre-game
articles for both Stanford and Cal, heavily drawing from recordings of the press conferences.