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Keeping your eye on the clock? - martyup - 09-17-2021
If you have noticed some weird things going on with the clock in college football games, you might not be aware of new rules that went into place this season.
Source: https://deadspin.com/explaining-the-new-college-football-clock-rules-5041480
Quote:Last year the average college game lasted 3 hours and 21 minutes. Many televised games went well over four hours. Compare that with the NFL timing system where virtually every televised game ends between 2:55 and 3:05. So the college football overlords have devised a new system modeled on the NFL system. What they haven't done, unfortunately, is replace the biggest issue: a 20 minute halftime for colleges vs. a 12 minute halftime for the NFL. Nevertheless these new clock rules replace the disastrous changes from the 2006 season which were scrapped after only a year. If you recall, those idiotic moves included starting the clock on kickoffs and beginning the play clock on a change of possession. Confused? Here's a short tutorial. There are two primary changes. First, the ready to play signal and 25 second play clock have been eliminated in favor of a running 40 second clock which will begin as soon as each play is whistled dead. Second, when players go out-of-bounds the clock will start on the referees signal as opposed to starting on the snap of the ball. Except for in the final two minutes of each half when the clock will stop until the snap of the next ball. Both of these rules are modeled on the NFL timing rules. So, what's the practical impact? The 40 second clock will add four or five plays to each game. As for the second timing change, Oregon coach Mike Belloti tells Rivals that "he thinks the new rule on out-of-bounds plays will result in the loss of eight to 10 plays per game, meaning the two clock rules are expected to cause the loss of a net four or five plays." Consider yourselves educated. For all the preseason talk, I haven't seen this discussed anywhere. With all the big early season games, this might help to save your flat screen from disaster when the clock is running after an out-of-bounds play with 2:15 remaining and your team trailing by four.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - needle - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 09:41 AM)martyup Wrote: If you have noticed some weird things going on with the clock in college football games, you might not be aware of new rules that went into place this season.
Source: https://deadspin.com/explaining-the-new-college-football-clock-rules-5041480
Quote:Last year the average college game lasted 3 hours and 21 minutes. Many televised games went well over four hours. Compare that with the NFL timing system where virtually every televised game ends between 2:55 and 3:05. So the college football overlords have devised a new system modeled on the NFL system. What they haven't done, unfortunately, is replace the biggest issue: a 20 minute halftime for colleges vs. a 12 minute halftime for the NFL. Nevertheless these new clock rules replace the disastrous changes from the 2006 season which were scrapped after only a year. If you recall, those idiotic moves included starting the clock on kickoffs and beginning the play clock on a change of possession. Confused? Here's a short tutorial. There are two primary changes. First, the ready to play signal and 25 second play clock have been eliminated in favor of a running 40 second clock which will begin as soon as each play is whistled dead. Second, when players go out-of-bounds the clock will start on the referees signal as opposed to starting on the snap of the ball. Except for in the final two minutes of each half when the clock will stop until the snap of the next ball. Both of these rules are modeled on the NFL timing rules. So, what's the practical impact? The 40 second clock will add four or five plays to each game. As for the second timing change, Oregon coach Mike Belloti tells Rivals that "he thinks the new rule on out-of-bounds plays will result in the loss of eight to 10 plays per game, meaning the two clock rules are expected to cause the loss of a net four or five plays." Consider yourselves educated. For all the preseason talk, I haven't seen this discussed anywhere. With all the big early season games, this might help to save your flat screen from disaster when the clock is running after an out-of-bounds play with 2:15 remaining and your team trailing by four.
I'm always astounded at how many CFB (and sometimes NFL) TV and radio announcers don't know the clock stoppage rules on out-of-bounds plays.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - BostonCard - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 09:41 AM)martyup Wrote: If you have noticed some weird things going on with the clock in college football games, you might not be aware of new rules that went into place this season.
Source: https://deadspin.com/explaining-the-new-college-football-clock-rules-5041480
Quote:Last year the average college game lasted 3 hours and 21 minutes. Many televised games went well over four hours. Compare that with the NFL timing system where virtually every televised game ends between 2:55 and 3:05. So the college football overlords have devised a new system modeled on the NFL system. What they haven't done, unfortunately, is replace the biggest issue: a 20 minute halftime for colleges vs. a 12 minute halftime for the NFL. Nevertheless these new clock rules replace the disastrous changes from the 2006 season which were scrapped after only a year. If you recall, those idiotic moves included starting the clock on kickoffs and beginning the play clock on a change of possession. Confused? Here's a short tutorial. There are two primary changes. First, the ready to play signal and 25 second play clock have been eliminated in favor of a running 40 second clock which will begin as soon as each play is whistled dead. Second, when players go out-of-bounds the clock will start on the referees signal as opposed to starting on the snap of the ball. Except for in the final two minutes of each half when the clock will stop until the snap of the next ball. Both of these rules are modeled on the NFL timing rules. So, what's the practical impact? The 40 second clock will add four or five plays to each game. As for the second timing change, Oregon coach Mike Belloti tells Rivals that "he thinks the new rule on out-of-bounds plays will result in the loss of eight to 10 plays per game, meaning the two clock rules are expected to cause the loss of a net four or five plays." Consider yourselves educated. For all the preseason talk, I haven't seen this discussed anywhere. With all the big early season games, this might help to save your flat screen from disaster when the clock is running after an out-of-bounds play with 2:15 remaining and your team trailing by four.
You might want to check the date on that article.
BC
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Phogge - 09-17-2021
What they don't address are the commercials. If there was pure pay-for-view there wouldn't be any ned for them.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - BobK - 09-17-2021
Oregon coach Mike Belotti. What 12 years old story?
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - French Rage - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 10:38 AM)BobK Wrote: Oregon coach Mike Belotti. What 12 years old story?
I want to hear what Amos Alonzo Stagg thinks of this newfangled forward pass!
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Brickcity - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 10:32 AM)Phogge Wrote: What they don't address are the commercials. If there was pure pay-for-view there wouldn't be any ned for them.
I would gladly pay an annual subscription to not have to watch commercials. I literally don't watch any commercial TV - other than sports (and, usually, Stanford sports) because I hate the commercials with a passion. Conversely, I haven't hesitated to pay for a Prime, HBO, Hulu, and Netflix subscriptions. Oh, would sports go that direction too!
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - winflop - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 09:41 AM)martyup Wrote: If you have noticed some weird things going on with the clock in college football games, you might not be aware of new rules that went into place this season.
Source: https://deadspin.com/explaining-the-new-college-football-clock-rules-5041480
Quote:Last year the average college game lasted 3 hours and 21 minutes. Many televised games went well over four hours. Compare that with the NFL timing system where virtually every televised game ends between 2:55 and 3:05. So the college football overlords have devised a new system modeled on the NFL system. What they haven't done, unfortunately, is replace the biggest issue: a 20 minute halftime for colleges vs. a 12 minute halftime for the NFL. Nevertheless these new clock rules replace the disastrous changes from the 2006 season which were scrapped after only a year. If you recall, those idiotic moves included starting the clock on kickoffs and beginning the play clock on a change of possession. Confused? Here's a short tutorial. There are two primary changes. First, the ready to play signal and 25 second play clock have been eliminated in favor of a running 40 second clock which will begin as soon as each play is whistled dead. Second, when players go out-of-bounds the clock will start on the referees signal as opposed to starting on the snap of the ball. Except for in the final two minutes of each half when the clock will stop until the snap of the next ball. Both of these rules are modeled on the NFL timing rules. So, what's the practical impact? The 40 second clock will add four or five plays to each game. As for the second timing change, Oregon coach Mike Belloti tells Rivals that "he thinks the new rule on out-of-bounds plays will result in the loss of eight to 10 plays per game, meaning the two clock rules are expected to cause the loss of a net four or five plays." Consider yourselves educated. For all the preseason talk, I haven't seen this discussed anywhere. With all the big early season games, this might help to save your flat screen from disaster when the clock is running after an out-of-bounds play with 2:15 remaining and your team trailing by four.
I'd guess the average FBS game is way over 3:21. Saving 8 mins on halftime helps, but why not adopt the entire NFL rules as is. They clearly work both in terms of shortening games and managing the length of non-OT games in a very tight window
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - 82lsju - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 11:20 AM)winflop Wrote: I'd guess the average FBS game is way over 3:21. Saving 8 mins on halftime helps, but why not adopt the entire NFL rules as is. They clearly work both in terms of shortening games and managing the length of non-OT games in a very tight window
Quote:the average length of a college football game is 3 hours and 24 minutes
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/how-long-do-college-football-games-last
as the article points out one other difference is the amount of time that can be added by overtime in college vs the NFL
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Hank 91 - 09-17-2021
My guess is that halftime will stay at twenty minutes if only to allow for halftime shows. Pageantry is a much bigger part of college football than the NFL, and besides -- who wants to live in a world where the Stanford band cannot use its halftime show to mock a Rose Bowl opponent that's down by five touchdowns? I certainly don't.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - CowboyIndian - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 11:16 AM)Brickcity Wrote: I would gladly pay an annual subscription to not have to watch commercials. I literally don't watch any commercial TV - other than sports (and, usually, Stanford sports) because I hate the commercials with a passion.
Ummm...DVR? I set mine and wait until an hour after kickoff to start watching. A life-changer!
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - BostonCard - 09-17-2021
The downside of a DVR is that you can't engage in the live thread. But I agree, for non-Stanford games, it is great!
BC
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Hank 91 - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 12:22 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The downside of a DVR is that you can't engage in the live thread. But I agree, for non-Stanford games, it is great!Another downside -- when a network inexplicably stacks games the way Fox did last weekend. With Yankees vs. Mets scheduled to air in the 4:30 to 7:30 slot, there was no way that game was going to be over in time for the 7:30 start of Stanford-USC, especially since the baseball game didn't start until 4:45, and Fox clearly knew this. As a Yankee fan, I can tell you that they've probably played fewer than five games this year that clocked in at 2:45 or shorter.
BC
Even though I was going to the football game, I needed to have the recording to assist with writing my recap. I knew they'd start the football game on another Fox outlet, but I didn't know which one. The obvious choice, FS1, already had what looked to be a live college football game scheduled, so that was out. So I set my DVR to start recording the two Fox Business Channels, which have been used for this before. Unfortunately I must've been wrong about the game on FS1, because that's where they shifted our game. I missed it. So my recording of the game on Fox picks up midway through the SECOND QUARTER. Thanks, Fox.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Papa John - 09-17-2021
Same thing happened to me, Hank91. I had a family engagement on Saturday, so I set my DVR to record Fox starting at 4:30 pm. When I watched the recording I found that, because of the length of the baseball game, I had missed the first 85 minutes (!) real time of the Stanford-USC game thanks to Fox. I had to wait until the "Football in 60" broadcast on Pac-12 Network--which has all kinds of audio production issues--to watch the entire game.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - winflop - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 10:32 AM)Phogge Wrote: What they don't address are the commercials. If there was pure pay-for-view there wouldn't be any ned for them.
Does CFB have more commercials than NFL? I'd be surprised if that were true.
(09-17-2021, 12:09 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(09-17-2021, 11:16 AM)Brickcity Wrote: I would gladly pay an annual subscription to not have to watch commercials. I literally don't watch any commercial TV - other than sports (and, usually, Stanford sports) because I hate the commercials with a passion.
Ummm...DVR? I set mine and wait until an hour after kickoff to start watching. A life-changer!
Doesn't work when the previous sports event runs long and they start the game on another channel, which is what happened. If you had your DVR set to record the game on Fox, you missed the entire first quarter and IIRC into the second quarter.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - BostonCard - 09-17-2021
That's why the television world needs to move away from the idea of "channels"; it is a relic of back when there was finite bandwidth in over-the-air television. Now that we have on-demand streaming, there's no reason that you can't have an event-focused content organization. So, instead of tuning into Fox at 3 PM for the game, and you are screwed if it shifts time, you tune into the game, brought to you by Fox.
BC
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Snorlax94 - 09-17-2021
(09-17-2021, 02:14 PM)Papa John Wrote: Same thing happened to me, Hank91. I had a family engagement on Saturday, so I set my DVR to record Fox starting at 4:30 pm. When I watched the recording I found that, because of the length of the baseball game, I had missed the first 85 minutes (!) real time of the Stanford-USC game thanks to Fox. I had to wait until the "Football in 60" broadcast on Pac-12 Network--which has all kinds of audio production issues--to watch the entire game.
I can't tell you how many times I got screwed by this. I finally have caught on -- when I saw the Mets/Yankees game 20 minutes before kickoff (6th inning), I immediately switched to FS1 and just knew the game would be there.
It's gotten to the point where you have to see what's scheduled before the Stanford game, just assume that any other sporting event will pre-empt the Stanford one, and then record the backup channels. Fox will usually bump to Fox Sports 1, but it can get funky when the other networks are busy also.
Probably someone posted it on last week's game thread but I propose a standing practice on Cardboard to post a fresh thread whenever a game's opening is bumped to another network.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - Papa John - 09-17-2021
Should be OK this week. ESPNU has a CFB game at 1 pm PT, then filler programming until the Stanford-Vanderbilt game at 5 pm PT.
RE: Keeping your eye on the clock? - martyup - 09-17-2021
I guess I should keep an eye on the date of articles.