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The beginning of the end for college sports. - OutsiderFan - 12-01-2021
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r6htdo/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=ff11342cd85d4087add62d0b15d9ae7e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=r6htdo
When Texas is paying athletes 100k per year, including for WVB, what is Stanford gonna do?
This is the mess the NCAA has created by not making athletes employees and capping compensation. It's now the WILD Wild West, with no regulations, and a total free for all. It's like the Lord of the Flies now.
I'm getting more turned off college sports every day and my passion for it is almost gone.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - Mick - 12-01-2021
(12-01-2021, 02:55 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r6htdo/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=ff11342cd85d4087add62d0b15d9ae7e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=r6htdo
When Texas is paying athletes 100k per year, including for WVB, what is Stanford gonna do?
This is the mess the NCAA has created by not making athletes employees and capping compensation. It's now the WILD Wild West, with no regulations, and a total free for all. It's like the Lord of the Flies now.
I'm getting more turned off college sports every day and my passion for it is almost gone.
Have to agree. Screw it all.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - Maple Leaf - 12-01-2021
(12-01-2021, 03:07 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-01-2021, 02:55 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r6htdo/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=ff11342cd85d4087add62d0b15d9ae7e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=r6htdo
When Texas is paying athletes 100k per year, including for WVB, what is Stanford gonna do?
This is the mess the NCAA has created by not making athletes employees and capping compensation. It's now the WILD Wild West, with no regulations, and a total free for all. It's like the Lord of the Flies now.
I'm getting more turned off college sports every day and my passion for it is almost gone.
Have to agree. Screw it all.
I was reading some of the comments posted following the article, the most interesting one to me was the issue of taxes owed by the players to the feds and the states, and if the players or the NIL group does not set aside sufficient funds life could get a bit interesting for the player(s).
Another comment was along the lines of...............the old Southwest Conference is alive and well. All Texas has left to do is to get academic waivers so going to class is not required anymore, that is assuming it was required in the first place.
This really fine mess may provide sufficient cover for some colleges and universities to junk at least Division 1 athletics.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - needle - 12-01-2021
It is only scandal(s) that would convince any Power 5-ish school to willingly give up those sweet TV dollars.
Perhaps CFB teams could become “school affiliated” to drop the student requirement, but operate as tax-exempt entities benefiting the university at large? I’m sure there are some people somewhere who have explored that concept.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-01-2021
(12-01-2021, 02:55 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r6htdo/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=ff11342cd85d4087add62d0b15d9ae7e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=r6htdo
When Texas is paying athletes 100k per year, including for WVB, what is Stanford gonna do?
This is the mess the NCAA has created by not making athletes employees and capping compensation. It's now the WILD Wild West, with no regulations, and a total free for all. It's like the Lord of the Flies now.
I'm getting more turned off college sports every day and my passion for it is almost gone.
Not feasible to make athletes employees. And I don’t think a “cap” for compensation would be legal. And how would you set wages? If it’s hourly, what rate. You think NCAA could fix the price? Highly doubt that. And does the football star get paid the same as a (pick your non-revenue sport). The problems associated with athletes as employees is overwhelming.
RE: lex24 - OutsiderFan - 12-01-2021
(12-01-2021, 05:03 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-01-2021, 02:55 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r6htdo/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=ff11342cd85d4087add62d0b15d9ae7e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=r6htdo
When Texas is paying athletes 100k per year, including for WVB, what is Stanford gonna do?
This is the mess the NCAA has created by not making athletes employees and capping compensation. It's now the WILD Wild West, with no regulations, and a total free for all. It's like the Lord of the Flies now.
I'm getting more turned off college sports every day and my passion for it is almost gone.
Not feasible to make athletes employees. And I don’t think a “cap” for compensation would be legal. And how would you set wages? If it’s hourly, what rate. You think NCAA could fix the price? Highly doubt that. And does the football star get paid the same as a (pick your non-revenue sport). The problems associated with athletes as employees is overwhelming.
Watch the HBO doc on college athlete labor exploitation. It's all about classification, and the NLRB has now ruled it will classify college athletes as employees. The issue then becomes one of athletes unionizing and collectively bargaining. I understand the mechanics of organizing 17 and 18 year olds is problematic on many fronts, namely how little they know about how the world works being so young.
What needs to happen is the adults have to make decisions that take care of the young people, but when the hell has that ever happened in this world?
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - 82 Card - 12-01-2021
Not a lot of detail on the Texas plan. I'm guessing the plan includes requiring athletes to sign over NIL rights to get any of the money. The players will probably then be required to do commercials on demand, with proceeds going into the fund, minus a hefty fee from the organizer's sports marketing company.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-01-2021
(12-01-2021, 05:49 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-01-2021, 05:03 PM)lex24 Wrote:(12-01-2021, 02:55 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r6htdo/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=ff11342cd85d4087add62d0b15d9ae7e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=r6htdo
When Texas is paying athletes 100k per year, including for WVB, what is Stanford gonna do?
This is the mess the NCAA has created by not making athletes employees and capping compensation. It's now the WILD Wild West, with no regulations, and a total free for all. It's like the Lord of the Flies now.
I'm getting more turned off college sports every day and my passion for it is almost gone.
Not feasible to make athletes employees. And I don’t think a “cap” for compensation would be legal. And how would you set wages? If it’s hourly, what rate. You think NCAA could fix the price? Highly doubt that. And does the football star get paid the same as a (pick your non-revenue sport). The problems associated with athletes as employees is overwhelming.
Watch the HBO doc on college athlete labor exploitation. It's all about classification, and the NLRB has now ruled it will classify college athletes as employees. The issue then becomes one of athletes unionizing and collectively bargaining. I understand the mechanics of organizing 17 and 18 year olds is problematic on many fronts, namely how little they know about how the world works being so young.
What needs to happen is the adults have to make decisions that take care of the young people, but when the hell has that ever happened in this world?
Sorry, I don’t buy the exploitation bit. No one is forcing them to play. And most of the sports don’t produce revenue. In fact they are revenue drains.
If you want to create different rules for the revenue producing sports (generally football and men’s hoops) then how? And good luck.
There is going to be change. Where that ends, who knows.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - Phogge - 12-01-2021
I'm with OF. I still will come out and watch SF State baseball if the state colleges allow it and I'll watch Stanford football if there's nothing better on like Michigan/Ohio St, or maybe TCM.
College sport (football and BB) are forever altered. Heard a discussion between the Tolbert guys and Rodney. Rodney thinks the Pac 12 schools have to buy into what SC is doing or basically wither on the vine. The group thought that UDub, ASU, Utah and maybe UCLA will do it but the others won't.
lex24 - lex24 - 12-01-2021
Question - what about other Collegiate extra curricular activities - cheerleaders, band, choirs, dance teams, drama, orchestras etc. None are paid. None are considered employees. What difference is there between those activities and all college sports save and except major college football and hoops?
OF mentioned the HBO documentary? Did it mention HBO’s parent company? The biggest change, the biggest driver in Collegiate revenue sports are, of course, the TV contracts. Which exploded when ESPN and the other cable networks hit the scene.
When a couple games a week were televised, it was a different financial world. So, if you are looking for a boogeyman (besides the NCAA) it’s that 54 inch box your watching….
RE: lex24 - Branner77 - 12-01-2021
This was my favorite comment by a poster named htrp and apparent LSU fan:
"My money would be on Stanford though (all that SV Tech money + an actual good football team sometimes)."
RE: lex24 - Beeg_Dawg - 12-01-2021
(12-01-2021, 08:59 PM)Branner77 Wrote: This was my favorite comment by a poster named htrp and apparent LSU fan:
"My money would be on Stanford though (all that SV Tech money + an actual good football team sometimes)."
How much of that SV money actually flows to the AD? Does Google purchase a block of seats, or do they send their money to the niners?
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - Farm93 - 12-01-2021
It will be a different world.
Texas has a large passionate group of fans that are very loyal to the state and fairly wealthy, especially compared to the other states in the SEC.
I actually like the model Texas is trying because if the athletes are all searching for deals there will be rather significant player to player discrepancies that will tear normally well functioning teams to pieces. And inevitably if the players are looking for their own deals they will end up doing deals that may create problems for the program.
Still, as a student if you believe you could earn more than in Texas' collective approach presumably they would go elsewhere either out of HS or after a year in a collective model.
While at Texas an athlete might discover she is pulling in much more than that $100K for reasons that have nothing to do with wearing burnt orange. That might cause her to transfer to a program that lets the players earn and keep her NIL money. Once out of the program would Texas still keep a player's early NIL work even if they leave Texas? Probably something parents and students will need to understand.
For most of student-athletes in a few years after college they will have traditional college graduate jobs and salaries. The NIL money at Texas' projected level will be a lot more than they will see annually after college.
I can see the auctions starting soon.
Texas has an opening bid at $100,000.
Do I hear $150,000? Yes, Baylor will offer $150K!
Do I hear $200,000? Yes, Notre Dame and their donor on the phone is offering $200K. Thank you Domers.
Do I hear $250,000? Yes, from Texas...Thank you Texas.
Ah, now Disney will offer $500,000 for the top women's hoops HS recruit to appear in ESPN promos, errr...attend UConn. Thank you Disney.
I do believe Stanford alums would have the wealth needed to win the auction, I just don't think most Stanford alums will want to throw money at 17 year-olds in this way just so that some kids can hold their product in an on campus lifestyle photo.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - jonnyss - 12-01-2021
100k for each football player = david shaw's salary.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - crackpot - 12-01-2021
The flip side is not paying them go attend school:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/magazine/overtime-elite-basketball-nba.html
I had to wonder while reading this article if these players are getting more education than a lot of the kids going to places where they're not really required to attend class.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - 2006alum - 12-01-2021
Guess it's time to join the Old Phogge Brigade because I agree 100% with everyone else, which is the same reason why I've been railing on this Board for ages against the NIL rights: it was obviously going to be the slippery slope that brings the whole thing down. What possible argument against pay to play is there now?
Come to think of it, maybe Shaw and Muir are replicants planted to make our teams so mediocre we don't notice or care when the University one day decides the modern student-athlete is a contradiction in terms.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - dabigv13 - 12-02-2021
The pandemic season last year and our dismal season sans Oregon game this year have definitely diminished my interest in CFB, but the NIL stuff isn't helping. Hard to see how it's not a lot worse in a few years.
I started to follow baseball more than I have since I was a kid this year, then they go and have a lockout. Maybe I need to pick a Japanese league team or something- any suggestions?
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - Phogge - 12-02-2021
Start by reading all the Tony Hillerman mysteries. Then take a couple of weeks at the old inn in Monument Valley but insist on the room that John Wayne lived in.
When you return read the Halberstam baseball books starting with “The Teammates.” Watch Ken Burns “Baseball.”
If you live in a mild climate go see some early high school baseball in late February and college baseball in early March. Cross your fingers that MLB comes to its collective senses.
Works for me. Marin Catholic has a beautiful diamond right near a couple of great bakeries and coffee houses.
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - Mick - 12-02-2021
Which six sports have been dropped the most by collegiate athletic programs since 1990? I'll save the suspense. Here are the top six, with the percentage of 1990 collegiate programs that have dropped the sport since then. By the way, this nets out the college programs that have added those same sports, so the following represents a net reduction:
Men's Tennis (-21.7%)
Wrestling (-16.8%)
Men's Swimming (-15.9%)
Men's Gymnastics (-9.0%)
Baseball (-6.9%)
Men's Soccer (-6.4%)
RE: The beginning of the end for college sports. - winflop - 12-02-2021
(12-02-2021, 06:41 AM)Mick Wrote: Which six sports have been dropped the most by collegiate athletic programs since 1990? I'll save the suspense. Here are the top six, with the percentage of 1990 collegiate programs that have dropped the sport since then. By the way, this nets out the college programs that have added those same sports, so the following represents a net reduction:
Men's Tennis (-21.7%)
Wrestling (-16.8%)
Men's Swimming (-15.9%)
Men's Gymnastics (-9.0%)
Baseball (-6.9%)
Men's Soccer (-6.4%)
How much of this is driven by Title IX? Those are all men's sports...