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McKee to NFL? - needle - 11-30-2022

Tony Pauline, a longtime draft analyst guy, reports that McKee is going pro:
Quote:Head coach David Shaw is not the only one leaving the Stanford football program. Multiple sources tell me quarterback Tanner McKee will also exit The Farm for the NFL draft.


https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-news-rumors-pac-12-draft-prospects-entering-draft/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nfl-draft-news-rumors-pac-12-draft-prospects-entering-draft

RE: McKee to NFL? - newguy - 11-30-2022

it will be interesting to see if ESPN or other media run with this as well.

RE: McKee to NFL? - Red80 - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 05:30 PM)needle Wrote:  Tony Pauline, a longtime draft analyst guy, reports that McKee is going pro:
Quote:Head coach David Shaw is not the only one leaving the Stanford football program. Multiple sources tell me quarterback Tanner McKee will also exit The Farm for the NFL draft.


https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-news-rumors-pac-12-draft-prospects-entering-draft/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nfl-draft-news-rumors-pac-12-draft-prospects-entering-draft

Please be true! I never thought he was a good fit for Stanford. Hopefully Stanford lands a coach that will develop Ashton Daniels within the right scheme. 

Stanford fans have seen about 20% of Daniels' talent thus far. He's an excellent athlete who's capable of making every required throw for a D1 QB.

I've been hoping for a QB with his kind of pocket mobility and improvisational ability ever since Hogan departed.

RE: McKee to NFL? - SamuelMcF - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 06:30 PM)Red80 Wrote:  Please be true! I never thought he was a good fit for Stanford.

Disagree. He was a good fit for Stanford's offense under Bloomgren, who recruited him.

RE: McKee to NFL? - Red80 - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 06:43 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(11-30-2022, 06:30 PM)Red80 Wrote:  Please be true! I never thought he was a good fit for Stanford.

Disagree. He was a good fit for Stanford's offense under Bloomgren, who recruited him.

A QB who can't move or improvise is not a good fit for Stanford. Primarily because Stanford's WRs typically have a hard time getting open "On Time". It's an age old problem. Same other bad fits were Burns, Chryst, and Costello. I never liked any of them coming out of HS for the same reason. 

I especially favor guys like Hogan and Daniels for red zone offense. Their kind of RPO ability expands the playbook in that situation--something that Stanford has really struggled with since Hogan. I'm sick of seeing nothing but corner fade routes. 

No more PP QBs!

RE: McKee to NFL? - cardcrimson - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 07:20 PM)Red80 Wrote:  A QB who can't move or improvise is not a good fit for Stanford. 

Sounds like a great fit for today's NFL. Can't move or improvise. Perhaps he should declare early for grad school. . . .

RE: McKee to NFL? - Red80 - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 07:34 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(11-30-2022, 07:20 PM)Red80 Wrote:  A QB who can't move or improvise is not a good fit for Stanford. 

Sounds like a great fit for today's NFL. Can't move or improvise. Perhaps he should declare early for grad school. . . .

Yup! I don't have great faith that he'll excel at that level. Of course, Tom Brady isn't exactly nimble or fleet-footed.

RE: McKee to NFL? - CowboyIndian - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 07:20 PM)Red80 Wrote:  A QB who can't move or improvise is not a good fit for Stanford.

He couldn't move or improvise because he was under constant duress from a porous OL of matadors as well as a pisspoor scheme for WRs and the dimwitted Slow Mess. He has regressed because of it. I wish he'd stay and see what an actual coach could do for him.

RE: McKee to NFL? - BostonCard - 11-30-2022

Burns’ problem was not that he wasn’t mobile.  In fact, he ran a lot in high school.  Burns’ problem was that he couldn’t throw.

BC

RE: McKee to NFL? - Phogge - 11-30-2022

Burns ran the single wing in HS. Recruiting should have gone another way.

I wouldn’t count out Patu just yet.

RE: McKee to NFL? - StanUSwagU - 11-30-2022

(11-30-2022, 07:20 PM)Red80 Wrote:  
(11-30-2022, 06:43 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(11-30-2022, 06:30 PM)Red80 Wrote:  Please be true! I never thought he was a good fit for Stanford.

Disagree. He was a good fit for Stanford's offense under Bloomgren, who recruited him.

A QB who can't move or improvise is not a good fit for Stanford. Primarily because Stanford's WRs typically have a hard time getting open "On Time". It's an age old problem. Same other bad fits were Burns, Chryst, and Costello. I never liked any of them coming out of HS for the same reason. 

I especially favor guys like Hogan and Daniels for red zone offense. Their kind of RPO ability expands the playbook in that situation--something that Stanford has really struggled with since Hogan. I'm sick of seeing nothing but corner fade routes. 

No more PP QBs!

Red80:

Below, Trying to get my facts & data straight (to keep up with the high bar being set by BostonCard in these posts. *lol*)

(1). I dont know too much about Ashton Daniels.

(2). But I agree with your assessment on the advantage of a true mobile dual-threat QB 100%.

(3). If anyone disagrees with this, look no further than what Bo Nix of Oregon (a Dual-threat QB) did to teams this year (including us), when he was healthy. I believe he took it 70+ yards to the House on us.

(4). Also look at what Max Duggan (of TCU) a dual-threat QB has done this year. He has elevated a slightly above mediocre team (TCU) ...that does not sit at the 5*star recruiting table, & with a mediocre coach, ....to a 12-0 season (he is very similar to Kevin Hogan).  By the way Max Duggan was a 200meter runner in high school.

RE: McKee to NFL? - Hieronymus - 11-30-2022

I suppose a great pro day could bump him up, but right now maybe 5th round at the earliest based mostly on looking like an old school NFL quarterback?

That said i have seen him anywhere from rd 1 to 5, but I assume a lot of the early rd grades don’t have this last year baked in.

RE: McKee to NFL? - treetop11 - 11-30-2022

Worst pocket presence of any Stanford QB I can recall. My biggest knock on him is that he makes awful decisions. He should move on, but I don't hink he will cut it in the NFL.

RE: McKee to NFL? - winflop - 12-01-2022

I don't think we have any clue how Patu or any of the other QBs on the roster will work out, much less any other position group
We have no HC
We have no OC
We have no offensive scheme
These things matter
A lot

I think McKee was gone before the season started and this has nothing to do with Shaw's resignation. Same story for KBK.

RE: McKee to NFL? - PVTree - 12-01-2022

He was not introduced at senior day. KBK was.

RE: McKee to NFL? - gailtate - 12-01-2022

Wow. What this thread reflects is the unmitigated chaos that Shaw leaves in his wake. And it underscores Jon Wilner's brutal observation in Troy Clardy's excellent podcast, in which Wilner observed that Stanford football has now come "full circle" since the end of the 2006 season. Thing is, Bob Bowlsby is long gone, and football is now being shepherded by...Bernard Muir.

I wish to hell that it WAS the end of the 2006 season right now. Yikes.

RE: McKee to NFL? - msqueri - 12-01-2022

(12-01-2022, 08:38 AM)gailtate Wrote:  Wow. What this thread reflects is the unmitigated chaos that Shaw leaves in his wake. And it underscores Jon Wilner's brutal observation in Troy Clardy's excellent podcast, in which Wilner observed that Stanford football has now come "full circle" since the end of the 2006 season. Thing is, Bob Bowlsby is long gone, and football is now being shepherded by...Bernard Muir.

I wish to hell that it WAS the end of the 2006 season right now. Yikes.

Let's wait to see who Muir hires and what happens with transfer portal, NIL, conference realignment, and tv deal. I'm inclined to think that Stanford football's future is brighter than it looked in 2006. That's not to say we'll replicate or even come close to the Harbaugh miracle. That's exceedingly unlikely. But just in terms of where the program is in talent, mojo, institutional support, etc., we face a daunting task for the next coach but I feel more optimistic about it than I did at the tail end of the Harris era. For one, we've now seen what Stanford football can do with great leadership. Don't despair yet.

RE: McKee to NFL? - SamuelMcF - 12-01-2022

(12-01-2022, 12:39 AM)PVTree Wrote:  He was not introduced at senior day. KBK was.

That's because McKee is a junior.

RE: McKee to NFL? - SkiBum80 - 12-01-2022

(12-01-2022, 08:38 AM)gailtate Wrote:  Wow. What this thread reflects is the unmitigated chaos that Shaw leaves in his wake. And it underscores Jon Wilner's brutal observation in Troy Clardy's excellent podcast, in which Wilner observed that Stanford football has now come "full circle" since the end of the 2006 season. Thing is, Bob Bowlsby is long gone, and football is now being shepherded by...Bernard Muir.

I wish to hell that it WAS the end of the 2006 season right now. Yikes.

This is why it bothered me in the last press conference that Coach Shaw spent so much time saying what great shape Stanford football was in, being so close to a big winning team, and the final straw to me was his claim that but for a running back we'd be getting ready for a bowl game right now. Others have rightfully said that he couldn't / shouldn't have bashed the team while leaving, which I agree.  But he overemphasized and greatly exaggerated his claims as to the great shape of the program IMO.  While this is more of an annoyance than anything really significant, as msqueri rightfully pointed out that if Muir/Shaw/others truly believe this spin/tripe/malarkey, then that is a really serious problem for us.  Because as anyone familiar, either intimately or from a distance, with the 12 steps of AA, the first step in ultimate progress and healing is an absolute recognition and acceptance that right now, things really suck. Bad.  Without that, there is no chance for significant change in the right direction to lead to something good.

RE: McKee to NFL? - Phogge - 12-01-2022

May be more but the two QB's in the portal seem to be McNamara at Michigan and Butter II. If Stanford gets four transfers this off season and Mckee does go (I hope) then they must get a transfer QB. With Daniels and Patu and Stanford's recent history, one will go down for the season and if two go down, what's left? Mirer Jr. LOL.