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New Football Transfer - SamuelMcF - 03-03-2023
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ryan24butler/status/1631771024445394944[/tweet]
Ryan Butler is a freshman RB at Princeton who was 5x Ivy Rookie of the Week (out of 10 weeks) and set the Princeton freshman rush TD record.
RE: New Football Transfer - TriangleTree - 03-03-2023
(03-03-2023, 04:52 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/ryan24butler/status/1631771024445394944[/tweet]
Ryan Butler is a freshman RB at Princeton who was 5x Ivy Rookie of the Week (out of 10 weeks) and set the Princeton freshman rush TD record.
Welcome Ryan!
Can an All Ivy team be competitive in Power 5?
Looks like we found our pipeline
RE: New Football Transfer - msqueri - 03-03-2023
Sadly it’s closer to all Ivy League than All Ivy League. These guys weren’t standouts at the Ivy League level. Butler, for instance was 10th in the conference in rushing yards per game and 16th in yards per carry. There are eight teams.
RE: New Football Transfer - cardcrimson - 03-03-2023
(03-03-2023, 05:37 PM)msqueri Wrote: Sadly it’s closer to all Ivy League than All Ivy League. These guys weren’t standouts at the Ivy League level. Butler, for instance was 10th in the conference in rushing yards per game and 16th in yards per carry. There are eight teams.And he was a freshman, correct? Had offers from most of the Ivies and the service academies. Wish him the best.
RE: New Football Transfer - msqueri - 03-03-2023
(03-03-2023, 06:01 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2023, 05:37 PM)msqueri Wrote: Sadly it’s closer to all Ivy League than All Ivy League. These guys weren’t standouts at the Ivy League level. Butler, for instance was 10th in the conference in rushing yards per game and 16th in yards per carry. There are eight teams.And he was a freshman, correct? Had offers from most of the Ivies and the service academies. Wish him the best.
Correct, he was a freshman. There was another freshman, Joshua Pitsenberger, who averaged 5.6 yards per carry (Butler had 3.9) running behind Yale's offensive line (PFF ranked Yale's run blocking fifth in the Ivy League and Princeton's sixth). And correct, Butler's major college football offers were service academies and UMass. I wish him the best as well. Just being realistic about how much we need to measure expectations for a guy who couldn't break 4 yards a carry in the Ivy League or 6.5 yards per carry in high school.
RE: New Football Transfer - cardcrimson - 03-03-2023
(03-03-2023, 06:43 PM)msqueri Wrote:(03-03-2023, 06:01 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2023, 05:37 PM)msqueri Wrote: Sadly it’s closer to all Ivy League than All Ivy League. These guys weren’t standouts at the Ivy League level. Butler, for instance was 10th in the conference in rushing yards per game and 16th in yards per carry. There are eight teams.And he was a freshman, correct? Had offers from most of the Ivies and the service academies. Wish him the best.
Correct, he was a freshman. There was another freshman, Joshua Pitsenberger, who averaged 5.6 yards per carry (Butler had 3.9) running behind Yale's offensive line (PFF ranked Yale's run blocking fifth in the Ivy League and Princeton's sixth). And correct, Butler's major college football offers were service academies and UMass. I wish him the best as well. Just being realistic about how much we need to measure expectations for a guy who couldn't break 4 yards a carry in the Ivy League or 6.5 yards per carry in high school.
Trying to find something in the glass, rather than it being half full or half empty. He did tie for the most rushing touchdowns in the Ivy while playing for the worst rushing team in the league. Princeton averaged 93 yards a game. Yale, 233 yards per. Pfft to PFF.
RE: New Football Transfer - midnight21 - 03-03-2023
Howdy! Long-time listener, first-time caller, as they say. Lifetime fan, alum and former Daily staff writer here.
Best of luck to Mr. Butler- hopefully he can make an impact, possibly as a short yardage back? His frame (5'11, 225) seems to suggest he could bring some depth and much needed physicality we haven't had in the backfield since Scarlett graduated.
That said, this continues a worrisome early trend of the new staff bringing in transfers who don't seem to have the talent profile we would hope for to compete at a conference-contender or even bowl-team type level.
Anyone have any insights on how the changes with the transfer process are proceeding with the administration (I know it's still early days post-Shaw), and whether we can expect the staff to offer some of the remaining P5 or G5 transfer talent still out there for next season?
I did a cursory search in the transfer portal and a few guys came up who seemed like they could potentially fit our profile based on performance and academics. Most of these are probably pipe dreams/probably have no interest:
- Donald Willis, LB, Minnesota (All-Academic Big Ten; was expected to start for them next year)
- Kobe Wilson, LB, Temple (Named to the Arthur Ashe Jr. Sports Award Roster for a minimum 3.5 GPA and service in the community; had 64 tackles last year)
- Ashanti Cistrunk, LB, Ole Miss (Athletic Director's Honor Roll; 72 tackles)
- Gary Bryant, Jr., WR, USC (big-time talent we offered out of HS; 44 catches in 2021)
- Michael Drennen, RB, Kentucky (4-star we offered out of HS)
- Ishmael Ibraheem, CB, Texas (Big 12 Commissioner's Honor Roll; 4-star recruit)
- Josh Moten, DB, Texas A&M (Earned team's Academic Excellence Award; 4-star recruit)
- Tyrin Woodby, CB, West Virginia (Big 12 Commissioner's Honor Roll)
- Jalani Williams, DB, Missouri (SEC Academic Honor Roll)
Cheers!
RE: New Football Transfer - TrumpCard - 03-03-2023
(03-03-2023, 07:31 PM)midnight21 Wrote: Howdy! Long-time listener, first-time caller, as they say. Lifetime fan, alum and former Daily staff writer here.
Best of luck to Mr. Butler- hopefully he can make an impact, possibly as a short yardage back? His frame (5'11, 225) seems to suggest he could bring some depth and much needed physicality we haven't had in the backfield since Scarlett graduated.
That said, this continues a worrisome early trend of the new staff bringing in transfers who don't seem to have the talent profile we would hope for to compete at a conference-contender or even bowl-team type level.
Anyone have any insights on how the changes with the transfer process are proceeding with the administration (I know it's still early days post-Shaw), and whether we can expect the staff to offer some of the remaining P5 or G5 transfer talent still out there for next season?
I did a cursory search in the transfer portal and a few guys came up who seemed like they could potentially fit our profile based on performance and academics. Most of these are probably pipe dreams/probably have no interest:
- Donald Willis, LB, Minnesota (All-Academic Big Ten; was expected to start for them next year)
- Kobe Wilson, LB, Temple (Named to the Arthur Ashe Jr. Sports Award Roster for a minimum 3.5 GPA and service in the community; had 64 tackles last year)
- Ashanti Cistrunk, LB, Ole Miss (Athletic Director's Honor Roll; 72 tackles)
- Gary Bryant, Jr., WR, USC (big-time talent we offered out of HS; 44 catches in 2021)
- Michael Drennen, RB, Kentucky (4-star we offered out of HS)
- Ishmael Ibraheem, CB, Texas (Big 12 Commissioner's Honor Roll; 4-star recruit)
- Josh Moten, DB, Texas A&M (Earned team's Academic Excellence Award; 4-star recruit)
- Tyrin Woodby, CB, West Virginia (Big 12 Commissioner's Honor Roll)
- Jalani Williams, DB, Missouri (SEC Academic Honor Roll)
Cheers!
Welcome to the board!
I did this kind of search a few years ago when Stanford had more of a football reputation and the Pac-12 still was considered to be on par, or close to on par with the B1G, ACC, and Big-12. Not one of the players I flagged transferred to Stanford. I don't think it's just an issue of Stanford being in a difficult spot football-wise. Instead, I think it's a combination of: (1) very long odds for Stanford transfer applicants generally, and even for football players; and (2) lack of public information about which schools a player is considering even if he's in general open to the possibility of a transfer. Things may have changed as the transfer portal has become a more essential part of recruiting. I'm just giving my experience. Mileage will vary.
RE: New Football Transfer - 82lsju - 03-03-2023
(03-03-2023, 06:43 PM)msqueri Wrote:(03-03-2023, 06:01 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2023, 05:37 PM)msqueri Wrote: Sadly it’s closer to all Ivy League than All Ivy League. These guys weren’t standouts at the Ivy League level. Butler, for instance was 10th in the conference in rushing yards per game and 16th in yards per carry. There are eight teams.And he was a freshman, correct? Had offers from most of the Ivies and the service academies. Wish him the best.
Correct, he was a freshman. There was another freshman, Joshua Pitsenberger, who averaged 5.6 yards per carry (Butler had 3.9) running behind Yale's offensive line (PFF ranked Yale's run blocking fifth in the Ivy League and Princeton's sixth). And correct, Butler's major college football offers were service academies and UMass. I wish him the best as well. Just being realistic about how much we need to measure expectations for a guy who couldn't break 4 yards a carry in the Ivy League or 6.5 yards per carry in high school.
and while Butler was honorable mention all Ivy, Pitsenberger was first team all Ivy
https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/11/22/ivy-league-announces-football-all-ivy-rookie-of-the-year-coach-of-the-year.aspx
RE: New Football Transfer - needle - 03-03-2023
Devin Darrington was second-team All Ivy in 2019 at Harvard, then finished his career at UVirginia in 2021 as a grad transfer (no 2020 Ivy League season).
In a limited role, Darrington did alright in the ACC in 2021: 32 att for 237 yds, 7.4 ypc.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4248071/devin-darrington
No question in my mind that Darrington had a higher profile than Butler, as Darrington reportedly (24/7 says so, anyway) had offers from Syracuse, Indiana, Vandy and a few other schools, including Navy and Temple.
But an Ivy League back can contribute even if he isn't the best back in the Ivy League. I guess we'll find out about Butler.