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Autopsy for the Pac-12 - TonyLima - 10-15-2023
Jon Wilner brings the heat.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - GK3 - 10-15-2023
(10-15-2023, 01:19 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Jon Wilner brings the heat.
All nice and neat, but FWLIW the Pac 12 went away because it didn't recognize the new college sports scene, money talks and everything else walks. Some of the schools did and they led the exodus, the rest stood around until was too late to get a chair. Once the NIL and Portal deals were in place things had to start changing fast, we go lucky and found a chair on the East Coast, how that works out remains to be seen.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - qwerty49 - 10-15-2023
Actually that's a nice piece from Wilner. He's been a bit inconsistent over the years, but I think this one is on the mark.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - JeffInCorvallis - 10-15-2023
No doubt Stanford and Cal's apathy towards football and men's basketball didn't help the Pac-12. But even when Stanford was winning championships and Rose Bowls it didn't move the needle much on Bay Area eyeballs and TV sets. Cal maybe a little bit more with their bigger alumni base, but neither school has been a hotbed of college football in a long, long time. Gotta try something different if we're going to be relevant in this new age. Stanford and Cal have a big leg up not being located in Pullman or Corvallis (yes, that's where I live) but neither seems willing or capable of taking advantage.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - cctop - 10-16-2023
The biggest bit of information I got from that article: Utah's president was the source of the $50 million team valuation.
I would have sworn it was USC, who truly were worth $50+ million to the B1G.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - M T - 10-16-2023
(10-15-2023, 10:19 PM)JeffInCorvallis Wrote: Stanford and Cal have a big leg up not being located in Pullman or Corvallis (yes, that's where I live) but neither seems willing or capable of taking advantage.What advantage? Competing with pro teams would mean spending NFL level money for publicity. Top headline tonight on both SF Chron and SJMN was the 49ers loss (with 4 associated articles under it). On both, the Gaza war was about the 4th major article.
When I recently looked back at the demise of the Southwest Conference, one article from decades ago noted the college football in Houston (Rice, UH) pretty much disappeared after the Oilers took over the market. That’s a market that still has a strong high school football presence.
There are 32 NFL teams
In the top 20 ranked NCAA FB teams, 2 are in the city of a pro team, 15 are more than 100 miles from the city of the nearest pro team, the other 3 are 40, 70, and 80 miles. Cal is 13 miles; Stanford is 37 miles.
Want to suck the air out of the University of Alabama FB team? Put a NFL team in Tuscaloosa, but the state legislature would block you.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - TriangleTree - 10-16-2023
qwerty49 dateline='[url=tel:1697431308' Wrote: 1697431308[/url]']
Actually that's a nice piece from Wilner. He's been a bit inconsistent over the years, but I think this one is on the mark.
Nice piece indeed, but putting blame on Cal and Stanford for not having great seasons is on par with Oregon and Washington State for not being bigger towns. Come on.
I would have kept the blame to 8
If we’re going to blamed for something it should be for the opposite, not having a good plan to turn into murderers when we needed it to survive
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - Mick - 10-16-2023
(10-16-2023, 01:18 AM)cctop Wrote: The biggest bit of information I got from that article: Utah's president was the source of the $50 million team valuation.
I would have sworn it was USC, who truly were worth $50+ million to the B1G.
From a purely football point of view, they weren't wrong. The Pac-12 is the strongest conference, top to bottom, in the NCAA.:
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_conf.html
It's a crying shame that the venerable Pac-12 is breaking up. And not for nothing, but the Mountain West Conference is #6 right behind the Big 12. If you add Oregon State and Washington State, the MWC may pass up the Big 12. Just sayin'
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - SkiBum80 - 10-20-2023
Thanks good article link.
Yes you can spread the blame around to 10 of 12 PAC schools.
But even with all the finger pointing, StanCal's attendance problems and later move to ACC is but a footnote in the story.
It remains that USC/UCLA by far carry the lion's share of responsibility for killing off the PAC-12.
Their abandonment was the pulling the finger out of the dike that started the catastrophic flood.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - old spanish trail - 10-20-2023
(10-16-2023, 01:18 AM)cctop Wrote: The biggest bit of information I got from that article: Utah's president was the source of the $50 million team valuation.
I would have sworn it was USC, who truly were worth $50+ million to the B1G.
I thought it was the ASU president.
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - Mick - 10-21-2023
(10-20-2023, 09:35 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(10-16-2023, 01:18 AM)cctop Wrote: The biggest bit of information I got from that article: Utah's president was the source of the $50 million team valuation.
I would have sworn it was USC, who truly were worth $50+ million to the B1G.
I thought it was the ASU president.
The Arizona president formally applied for Big 12 membership before Oregon and Washington departed and while the Pac 12 was awaiting the grant of rights vote.
I think it was the Utah president, Taylor Randall. Also, there was a plan to offer UCLA an outsized number of $52 million, but Oregon's president voted against that. And Washington's president was actually the prime mover of the pacific northwest schools
Death of Pac-12: Assigning blame to 10 schools after Utah report (mercurynews.com)
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - fullmetal - 10-25-2023
The same Pac-12 that did this:
https://footballscoop.com/news/pac-12-officiating-scandal-mistakes-made
https://www.nbcsports.com/college-football/news/three-former-pac-12-refs-blast-larry-scott-in-private-letter-over-woodie-dixon-scandal
https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-how-the-pac-12-went-awry (paywall)
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - Mick - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 03:23 PM)fullmetal Wrote: The same Pac-12 that did this:
https://footballscoop.com/news/pac-12-officiating-scandal-mistakes-made
https://www.nbcsports.com/college-football/news/three-former-pac-12-refs-blast-larry-scott-in-private-letter-over-woodie-dixon-scandal
https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-how-the-pac-12-went-awry (paywall)
Interesting. Larry Scott's "meddling sidekick" Woodie Dixon has (apparently repeatedly) intervened in the replay process. Dixon is accomplished...Harvard JD, and he was an associate at Sidley for three years. He's the general counsel of Chegg and was the GC/SVP of BA for the Pac-12. Most GCs that I know are extremely cautious people. I'm surprised he called into the replay command center...he's not a trained official. Maybe he's just a USC fan.
Here's the play in question. Not only is it a helmet-to-helmet hit, it is a blindside targeting, helmet to helmet hit...one week after the player was called for a similar targeting hit.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1043379973753581568
RE: Autopsy for the Pac-12 - 81alum - 10-25-2023
(10-16-2023, 02:24 AM)M T Wrote:This is wise.(10-15-2023, 10:19 PM)JeffInCorvallis Wrote: Stanford and Cal have a big leg up not being located in Pullman or Corvallis (yes, that's where I live) but neither seems willing or capable of taking advantage.What advantage? Competing with pro teams would mean spending NFL level money for publicity. Top headline tonight on both SF Chron and SJMN was the 49ers loss (with 4 associated articles under it). On both, the Gaza war was about the 4th major article.
When I recently looked back at the demise of the Southwest Conference, one article from decades ago noted the college football in Houston (Rice, UH) pretty much disappeared after the Oilers took over the market. That’s a market that still has a strong high school football presence.
There are 32 NFL teams
In the top 20 ranked NCAA FB teams, 2 are in the city of a pro team, 15 are more than 100 miles from the city of the nearest pro team, the other 3 are 40, 70, and 80 miles. Cal is 13 miles; Stanford is 37 miles.
Want to suck the air out of the University of Alabama FB team? Put a NFL team in Tuscaloosa, but the state legislature would block you.
But there are other reasons college football does poorly in the Bay Area. Ethnic demographics, political ideology, and split loyalties all contribute to making this the largest metropolitan area in the nation that has the lowest interest in college football. For Stanford football to do well, it really needs a national, and not a regional, audience. Hard to achieve at 10:30pm Eastern.