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How concerned are you about the portal? - calfan - 01-10-2024
Hi guys, Cal fan coming over to your board. It's interesting to see how y'all deal with the portal, and fascinating how your admin doesn't seem to view this as an urgent structure that needs addressing. Obviously it's very difficult with the academics to get guys accepted in- but pretty much every program lives and dies by the portal now. I really think this is make or break; teams have to be able to acquire top talent from the portal and also losing some non-producing players via attrition to the portal is also a good thing.
How concerned are you about the portal interfacing with Stanford's restrictive academics in this day and age? Do you think TT can build a program almost exclusively from prep recruiting? Do you think your admin can make adjustments? I'm interested because it really doesn't seem like there's urgency to solve this, and I really think it's close to impossible to build a championship caliber program without dealing with the portal realities of today's CFB landscape. Just a little surprised that a smart school like Stanford may not see how devastating the portal will be to your efforts.
Your thoughts?
RE: How concerned are you about the portal? - chrisk - 01-10-2024
(01-10-2024, 07:29 PM)calfan Wrote: Hi guys, Cal fan coming over to your board. It's interesting to see how y'all deal with the portal, and fascinating how your admin doesn't seem to view this as an urgent structure that needs addressing. Obviously it's very difficult with the academics to get guys accepted in- but pretty much every program lives and dies by the portal now. I really think this is make or break; teams have to be able to acquire top talent from the portal and also losing some non-producing players via attrition to the portal is also a good thing.
How concerned are you about the portal interfacing with Stanford's restrictive academics in this day and age? Do you think TT can build a program almost exclusively from prep recruiting? Do you think your admin can make adjustments? I'm interested because it really doesn't seem like there's urgency to solve this, and I really think it's close to impossible to build a championship caliber program without dealing with the portal realities of today's CFB landscape. Just a little surprised that a smart school like Stanford may not see how devastating the portal will be to your efforts.
Your thoughts?
If you are doing a good job of prep recruiting and you develop and retain them, you don't need to bring in massive numbers from the portal. The teams that are bringing in the most transfers and losing the most through the portal.
If you bring in a lot of players through the portal, you are showing your recruits you don't value them and will bail if transfers come in and take their opportunities. In Stanford's condition last year, that is not so much a problem, but if Taylor can build a decent roster through recruiting, he shouldn't need more than 5-7 transfers.
RE: How concerned are you about the portal? - calfan - 01-10-2024
(01-10-2024, 09:17 PM)chrisk Wrote:It's interesting to hear this and kind of what I was looking for. But the issue is you guys aren't following this. Last year you lost 21!! and brought in 4. This year you've brought in zero and lost 8! You guys are net bleeding significant talent to the portal each year, and unless you're bringing in Bama-like prep classes (you're not), you're never going to recruit high school well enough to replace the production.(01-10-2024, 07:29 PM)calfan Wrote: Hi guys, Cal fan coming over to your board. It's interesting to see how y'all deal with the portal, and fascinating how your admin doesn't seem to view this as an urgent structure that needs addressing. Obviously it's very difficult with the academics to get guys accepted in- but pretty much every program lives and dies by the portal now. I really think this is make or break; teams have to be able to acquire top talent from the portal and also losing some non-producing players via attrition to the portal is also a good thing.
How concerned are you about the portal interfacing with Stanford's restrictive academics in this day and age? Do you think TT can build a program almost exclusively from prep recruiting? Do you think your admin can make adjustments? I'm interested because it really doesn't seem like there's urgency to solve this, and I really think it's close to impossible to build a championship caliber program without dealing with the portal realities of today's CFB landscape. Just a little surprised that a smart school like Stanford may not see how devastating the portal will be to your efforts.
Your thoughts?
If you are doing a good job of prep recruiting and you develop and retain them, you don't need to bring in massive numbers from the portal. The teams that are bringing in the most transfers and losing the most through the portal.
If you bring in a lot of players through the portal, you are showing your recruits you don't value them and will bail if transfers come in and take their opportunities. In Stanford's condition last year, that is not so much a problem, but if Taylor can build a decent roster through recruiting, he shouldn't need more than 5-7 transfers.
RE: How concerned are you about the portal? - chrisk - 01-10-2024
(01-10-2024, 09:50 PM)calfan Wrote:(01-10-2024, 09:17 PM)chrisk Wrote:It's interesting to hear this and kind of what I was looking for. But the issue is you guys aren't following this. Last year you lost 21!! and brought in 4. This year you've brought in zero and lost 8! You guys are net bleeding significant talent to the portal each year, and unless you're bringing in Bama-like prep classes (you're not), you're never going to recruit high school well enough to replace the production.(01-10-2024, 07:29 PM)calfan Wrote: Hi guys, Cal fan coming over to your board. It's interesting to see how y'all deal with the portal, and fascinating how your admin doesn't seem to view this as an urgent structure that needs addressing. Obviously it's very difficult with the academics to get guys accepted in- but pretty much every program lives and dies by the portal now. I really think this is make or break; teams have to be able to acquire top talent from the portal and also losing some non-producing players via attrition to the portal is also a good thing.
How concerned are you about the portal interfacing with Stanford's restrictive academics in this day and age? Do you think TT can build a program almost exclusively from prep recruiting? Do you think your admin can make adjustments? I'm interested because it really doesn't seem like there's urgency to solve this, and I really think it's close to impossible to build a championship caliber program without dealing with the portal realities of today's CFB landscape. Just a little surprised that a smart school like Stanford may not see how devastating the portal will be to your efforts.
Your thoughts?
If you are doing a good job of prep recruiting and you develop and retain them, you don't need to bring in massive numbers from the portal. The teams that are bringing in the most transfers and losing the most through the portal.
If you bring in a lot of players through the portal, you are showing your recruits you don't value them and will bail if transfers come in and take their opportunities. In Stanford's condition last year, that is not so much a problem, but if Taylor can build a decent roster through recruiting, he shouldn't need more than 5-7 transfers.
The number of incoming transfers this year is not known. It is not likely to be 0. In his very first year on the job, Taylor brought in 7 transfers, not 4 as you stated. Extra COVID eligibility and the turmoil after the poor 2022 season and Shaw's departure led to the exodus last year.
RE: How concerned are you about the portal? - calfan - 01-10-2024
(01-10-2024, 10:04 PM)chrisk Wrote:My apologies- was referencing 247, so the figures I referenced must be off. And fair enough regarding last year being unique due to Shaw's departure. But regardless, 0 incoming and 8 outgoing is bad! I mean are you going to fill your class with entrants after spring ball? It's way fewer players and significantly less difference makers. And of the 8 outgoing, you're losing your leading RB, 2 OTs (second toughest position to fill), Gilman from your defense, and Yurosek. And again, you're not replacing their production! Your high school classes are solid but not enough to build a competitive program out of solely-- and you're going to face this every single year while having to retain your entire team because they all have their transfer option.(01-10-2024, 09:50 PM)calfan Wrote:(01-10-2024, 09:17 PM)chrisk Wrote:It's interesting to hear this and kind of what I was looking for. But the issue is you guys aren't following this. Last year you lost 21!! and brought in 4. This year you've brought in zero and lost 8! You guys are net bleeding significant talent to the portal each year, and unless you're bringing in Bama-like prep classes (you're not), you're never going to recruit high school well enough to replace the production.(01-10-2024, 07:29 PM)calfan Wrote: Hi guys, Cal fan coming over to your board. It's interesting to see how y'all deal with the portal, and fascinating how your admin doesn't seem to view this as an urgent structure that needs addressing. Obviously it's very difficult with the academics to get guys accepted in- but pretty much every program lives and dies by the portal now. I really think this is make or break; teams have to be able to acquire top talent from the portal and also losing some non-producing players via attrition to the portal is also a good thing.
How concerned are you about the portal interfacing with Stanford's restrictive academics in this day and age? Do you think TT can build a program almost exclusively from prep recruiting? Do you think your admin can make adjustments? I'm interested because it really doesn't seem like there's urgency to solve this, and I really think it's close to impossible to build a championship caliber program without dealing with the portal realities of today's CFB landscape. Just a little surprised that a smart school like Stanford may not see how devastating the portal will be to your efforts.
Your thoughts?
If you are doing a good job of prep recruiting and you develop and retain them, you don't need to bring in massive numbers from the portal. The teams that are bringing in the most transfers and losing the most through the portal.
If you bring in a lot of players through the portal, you are showing your recruits you don't value them and will bail if transfers come in and take their opportunities. In Stanford's condition last year, that is not so much a problem, but if Taylor can build a decent roster through recruiting, he shouldn't need more than 5-7 transfers.
The number of incoming transfers this year is not known. It is not likely to be 0. In his very first year on the job, Taylor brought in 7 transfers, not 4 as you stated. Extra COVID eligibility and the turmoil after the poor 2022 season and Shaw's departure led to the exodus last year.
I really think you have to take a long look to see how you guys can integrate the portal. It's just not practical to build a program through prep recruiting unless you're landing loaded classes (which so far, you're not).