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Sports gambling - BostonCard - 03-28-2024
Good article in the WSJ prompted by the controversy of a certain newly acquired Dodger, but with references to the NCAA.
https://www.wsj.com/sports/ohtani-sports-gambling-scandal-927fdd22?st=ffqqkjuzu2dr390&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Colleges and gambling, what could possibly go wrong? (I think I had previously posted this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/business/caesars-sports-betting-universities-colleges.html)
Quote:“You literally could have certain situations where somebody just says, ‘Look, you’re my friend. We’ve been friends a long time. I lost 500 bucks last week because you didn’t play well,’” Baker said last month. “‘And I still love you, but I’ve got to make rent next week. All I need you to do is miss your first two free throws.’”
Mix in NIL payments and we are truely setting up a recipe for disaster.
BC
RE: Sports gambling - M T - 03-28-2024
That's such a gentle example. Remember some of these athletes are just 18, not that 4 years later that they're much more alert to influence. (These are all for guys, but that's because I can understand their minds better.)
These are intended to be said (mostly) by a classmate or a friend, whose been influenced, perhaps just as covertly, to entice Joe to do things that will hurt his performance.
1. "Hey Joe, I've got a set of great videos of some kitties playing together. I know you, you'll love 'em. I'll text you the link tonight, while you're stuck in your hotel room...."
2. "Hey Joe, we had fun last Sunday. Listen, I've got some time on my own Friday night. Too bad you've got a game the next day. But, hey, why don't we get together online?"
3. "Hey Joe, that #43 on the other team is a real bully. Let me tell you what he did to my bud Johnnie. If you get a chance, can you knock him silly?"
4. "Hey Joe, you're really a helluva player. We really want you for our team next year and will pay big bucks, but we can't take you if you get hurt. Maybe if you pull up lame early in the game, you won't risk an injury later. I hear they're brutal."
5. "Hey Joe, have you tried one of these pills?"
6. "Hey Joe, tomorrow you're going to be at practice all day and all week preparing for the big game. Let's get stinking drunk tonight!"
RE: Sports gambling - Giants - 03-28-2024
(03-28-2024, 05:41 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Good article in the WSJ prompted by the controversy of a certain newly acquired Dodger, but with references to the NCAA.
https://www.wsj.com/sports/ohtani-sports-gambling-scandal-927fdd22?st=ffqqkjuzu2dr390&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Colleges and gambling, what could possibly go wrong? (I think I had previously posted this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/business/caesars-sports-betting-universities-colleges.html)
Quote:“You literally could have certain situations where somebody just says, ‘Look, you’re my friend. We’ve been friends a long time. I lost 500 bucks last week because you didn’t play well,’” Baker said last month. “‘And I still love you, but I’ve got to make rent next week. All I need you to do is miss your first two free throws.’”
Mix in NIL payments and we are truely setting up a recipe for disaster.
BC
I’m not sure how anyone can jump from potential issues related to gambling to NIL payments. They are distinctly different topics that have nothing to do with one another.
Receiving payment from someone for the use of one’s image is right.
Receiving payment from someone to play at less than one’s full capability is wrong.
RE: Sports gambling - 81alum - 03-29-2024
(03-28-2024, 09:45 PM)Giants Wrote: .I think the issue is that NIL payments are often not genuinely about the use of one's image, but are instead simply a venue for bribery and corruption. For the really famous athletes who can actually contribute to marketing campaigns in a meaningful way, yes, payments for the use of their image is "genuine" but that is a very small part of the NIL system. Texas Aggies United is not exactly playing that game.
Receiving payment from someone for the use of one’s image is right.
Receiving payment from someone to play at less than one’s full capability is wrong.
RE: Sports gambling - Goose - 03-29-2024
(03-29-2024, 06:38 AM)81alum Wrote:Even in cases where the NIL payments are "genuine", it is clear that the financial relationship allows the possibility of abuse by the payer or his representatives. It could take the form of a polite, friendly request or it could be an outright threat to not renew the NIL if the player doesn't comply. That doesn't mean that "genuine" NIL agreements should be banned, but IMO it does mean there is indeed a risk of improper influence.(03-28-2024, 09:45 PM)Giants Wrote: .I think the issue is that NIL payments are often not genuinely about the use of one's image, but are instead simply a venue for bribery and corruption. For the really famous athletes who can actually contribute to marketing campaigns in a meaningful way, yes, payments for the use of their image is "genuine" but that is a very small part of the NIL system. Texas Aggies United is not exactly playing that game.
Receiving payment from someone for the use of one’s image is right.
Receiving payment from someone to play at less than one’s full capability is wrong.
RE: Sports gambling - GK3 - 03-29-2024
(03-29-2024, 06:38 AM)81alum Wrote:You couldn't be more correct. How on earth does our departed round ball player be worth $300,000? This is mostly a way to legalize the old suitcases full of cash. I am not sure big time college sports can survive this creation.(03-28-2024, 09:45 PM)Giants Wrote: .I think the issue is that NIL payments are often not genuinely about the use of one's image, but are instead simply a venue for bribery and corruption. For the really famous athletes who can actually contribute to marketing campaigns in a meaningful way, yes, payments for the use of their image is "genuine" but that is a very small part of the NIL system. Texas Aggies United is not exactly playing that game.
Receiving payment from someone for the use of one’s image is right.
Receiving payment from someone to play at less than one’s full capability is wrong.
RE: Sports gambling - StanfordMatt - 03-29-2024
There's always a fair amount of paternalism in these sorts of threads but this one really takes the cake.
Our departed basketball player is worth $300,000 if that's what someone decides to pay him for his services. Is Steph Curry worth $215 million? He is if the free market says he is. Is that bribery or corruption? It's no more of a bribe than my boss bribing me to get out of bed this morning with a pay check when I didn't feel like working.
It is true that the entire world of "amateur" college athletics is being turned on its head. It's long overdue. The entire industry has been operating in a fantasy land for decades while openly flouting antitrust and employment law.
Regarding the entirtely separate topic of gambling, teenagers have long been playing professional soccer in European stadiums with gambling advertisements flashed all over the place. College athletes are more than capable of understanding the difference between receiving a pay check for their services and receiving a sum of money to affect the integrity of competition. And if they don't, the sportsbooks have access to a vast array of resources to sniff out irregular betting patterns faster than most people can fathom.
RE: Sports gambling - Giants - 03-29-2024
(03-29-2024, 10:21 AM)StanfordMatt Wrote: There's always a fair amount of paternalism in these sorts of threads but this one really takes the cake.
Our departed basketball player is worth $300,000 if that's what someone decides to pay him for his services. Is Steph Curry worth $215 million? He is if the free market says he is. Is that bribery or corruption? It's no more of a bribe than my boss bribing me to get out of bed this morning with a pay check when I didn't feel like working.
It is true that the entire world of "amateur" college athletics is being turned on its head. It's long overdue. The entire industry has been operating in a fantasy land for decades while openly flouting antitrust and employment law.
Regarding the entirtely separate topic of gambling, teenagers have long been playing professional soccer in European stadiums with gambling advertisements flashed all over the place. College athletes are more than capable of understanding the difference between receiving a pay check for their services and receiving a sum of money to affect the integrity of competition. And if they don't, the sportsbooks have access to a vast array of resources to sniff out irregular betting patterns faster than most people can fathom.
Well said, Matt……
RE: Sports gambling - BillBradley - 03-29-2024
(03-29-2024, 11:55 AM)Giants Wrote:+1 !(03-29-2024, 10:21 AM)StanfordMatt Wrote: There's always a fair amount of paternalism in these sorts of threads but this one really takes the cake.
Our departed basketball player is worth $300,000 if that's what someone decides to pay him for his services. Is Steph Curry worth $215 million? He is if the free market says he is. Is that bribery or corruption? It's no more of a bribe than my boss bribing me to get out of bed this morning with a pay check when I didn't feel like working.
It is true that the entire world of "amateur" college athletics is being turned on its head. It's long overdue. The entire industry has been operating in a fantasy land for decades while openly flouting antitrust and employment law.
Regarding the entirtely separate topic of gambling, teenagers have long been playing professional soccer in European stadiums with gambling advertisements flashed all over the place. College athletes are more than capable of understanding the difference between receiving a pay check for their services and receiving a sum of money to affect the integrity of competition. And if they don't, the sportsbooks have access to a vast array of resources to sniff out irregular betting patterns faster than most people can fathom.
Well said, Matt……
It's my belief that the people who are claiming that NIL is going to bring the world to an end will never accept how bad the old system was. The "pure" days of the student-athlete playing their sport for the scholarship of an education ended many decades ago. Stanford was, and still is, an edge case in the world of college sports.
This whole "some NIL deals are bribery and the people doing it are bad and corrupt" sentiment...my goodness. It's just people exploiting loopholes, which happens everywhere on the planet, in every system ever designed, even at Stanford. The system will evolve, there will be improved regulation over time - types of deals, improved visibility and reporting, etc. just like all other systems. I think there's a big overreaction to what's going on. The fact that Harrison Ingraham is actually getting paid $300K should by itself tell you something about how action needed to be taken to compensate athletes. And newsflash - those numbers are only going to go up. University of Colorado applications have grown by 40% since the hiring of Coach Prime (he was on Fallon the other night and that was said). Is there really any question about the value of big time athletics to these institutions?
Last thing I wanted to share - this notion of "the transfer portal, NIL, superconferences, etc" are killing college sports. Yeah, no. I've talked to many college students and recent grads who are basketball fans. No one cares about the massive roster overhauls as it relates to their enjoyment of the game as a fan. In fact, they are now MORE interested in the offseason moves ("did you hear who we got?"). March Madness viewership is up this year, not down. Lots of churn going on for sure, but I highly doubt we'll be seeing the demise of college sports anytime soon.
RE: Sports gambling - Mick - 03-30-2024
(03-29-2024, 12:32 PM)BillBradley Wrote: Last thing I wanted to share - this notion of "the transfer portal, NIL, superconferences, etc" are killing college sports. Yeah, no. I've talked to many college students and recent grads who are basketball fans. No one cares about the massive roster overhauls as it relates to their enjoyment of the game as a fan. In fact, they are now MORE interested in the offseason moves ("did you hear who we got?"). March Madness viewership is up this year, not down. Lots of churn going on for sure, but I highly doubt we'll be seeing the demise of college sports anytime soon.
Totally agree. My alma mater hasn't had a first round draft choice in almost thirty years, not since Nash. Thanks to the transfer portal, we've had two in two years, and one of them is starting for the Warriors. It's a lot more interesting team than it used to be.
RE: Sports gambling - JJJ - 03-31-2024
Thread drift and no one from Stanford is mentioned, but here’s one list of the top 10 NIL “earners” (many of whom I’d never heard of).
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/caitlin-clark-one-college-sports-181752730.html
RE: Sports gambling - Mick - 04-05-2024
More controversy re: Ohtani. Apparently, his first home run at Dodger Stadium was worth in the neighborhood of $100k. Dodger security staff separated the husband from his wife, then intimidated her into handing over the ball in exchange for an initial offer of two signed (not authenticated) hats and they added a signed bat and ball (again not authenticated) which she felt pressured to accept. She and her hubby never met Ohtani, though Ohtani says they did. They told her they would be escorted out to their car, which they didn't do.
Shohei Ohtani home run ball controversy, explained: Fan intimidated into handing over star's first Dodgers HR
Better story behind Athletic paywall:
https://theathletic.com/5392308/2024/04/04/dodgers-shohei-ohtani-homer-fan/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq
RE: Sports gambling - 82lsju - 04-05-2024
Quote:One week after NCAA president Charlie Baker called for more states to ban player prop bets in college sports, the Louisiana Gaming Control Board (LGCB) has issued an order to its licensed sports betting operators prohibiting the practice starting Aug. 1.
The order clarifies that operators may honor any outstanding prop bets. While "identifying players included in this notification may present challenges," the operators should make every effort to comply with the new rule, the order said.
LGCB chairman Ronnie Johns said in a statement that the control board began working on the order "weeks ago, well ahead of the NCAA's call for action on college proposition bets."
"It is the intention of the Louisiana Gaming Control Board to protect the integrity of sports betting as well as the safety and integrity of college athletes," Johns said. "We feel that this order accomplishes that goal."
https://www.espn.com/sports-betting/story/_/id/39868734/louisiana-bans-prop-bets-college-players-starting-aug-1