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update on Bryce Love - 82lsju - 05-15-2024
from the Daily
Quote:But after an injury-riddled senior season, Love’s football career slowed down and he spent just two seasons in the NFL with the Washington Commanders.
“After I took some time off, I started thinking about different avenues, and was trying out different cohorts to see what I was passionate about,” Love said. “I wanted to figure out ways that I could make a difference, so I started taking different classes, investing in startups and learning about different technologies.”
Today, Love is still based in the Washington, D.C. area and works as an angel investor. He is passionate about identifying new opportunities for growth and innovation in tech.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/from-doak-walker-to-venture-capital-bryce-love-19-embarks-on-a-new-chapter/?utm_content=May-15-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=May-15-2024
RE: update on Bryce Love - lex24 - 05-17-2024
82lsju dateline='[url=tel:1715784784' Wrote: 1715784784[/url]']
from the Daily
Quote:But after an injury-riddled senior season, Love’s football career slowed down and he spent just two seasons in the NFL with the Washington Commanders.
“After I took some time off, I started thinking about different avenues, and was trying out different cohorts to see what I was passionate about,” Love said. “I wanted to figure out ways that I could make a difference, so I started taking different classes, investing in startups and learning about different technologies.”
Today, Love is still based in the Washington, D.C. area and works as an angel investor. He is passionate about identifying new opportunities for growth and innovation in tech.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/from-doak-walker-to-venture-capital-bryce-love-19-embarks-on-a-new-chapter/?utm_content=May-15-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=May-15-2024
Injury riddled senior season. Yet they kept running him out there. Still makes me mad.
RE: update on Bryce Love - JohnR34231 - 05-17-2024
(05-17-2024, 07:04 AM)lex24 Wrote:82lsju dateline='[url=tel:1715784784' Wrote: 1715784784[/url]']
from the Daily
Quote:But after an injury-riddled senior season, Love’s football career slowed down and he spent just two seasons in the NFL with the Washington Commanders.
“After I took some time off, I started thinking about different avenues, and was trying out different cohorts to see what I was passionate about,” Love said. “I wanted to figure out ways that I could make a difference, so I started taking different classes, investing in startups and learning about different technologies.”
Today, Love is still based in the Washington, D.C. area and works as an angel investor. He is passionate about identifying new opportunities for growth and innovation in tech.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/from-doak-walker-to-venture-capital-bryce-love-19-embarks-on-a-new-chapter/?utm_content=May-15-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=May-15-2024
Injury riddled senior season. Yet they kept running him out there. Still makes me mad.
I remember Shaw saying if you asked Bryce if he was OK to go he would always say yes. Assuming he had been cleared by the medical types it's hard to tell a kid he can't play if he wants to.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Mick - 05-17-2024
(05-17-2024, 07:40 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(05-17-2024, 07:04 AM)lex24 Wrote:82lsju dateline='[url=tel:1715784784' Wrote: 1715784784[/url]']
from the Daily
Quote:But after an injury-riddled senior season, Love’s football career slowed down and he spent just two seasons in the NFL with the Washington Commanders.
“After I took some time off, I started thinking about different avenues, and was trying out different cohorts to see what I was passionate about,” Love said. “I wanted to figure out ways that I could make a difference, so I started taking different classes, investing in startups and learning about different technologies.”
Today, Love is still based in the Washington, D.C. area and works as an angel investor. He is passionate about identifying new opportunities for growth and innovation in tech.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/from-doak-walker-to-venture-capital-bryce-love-19-embarks-on-a-new-chapter/?utm_content=May-15-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=May-15-2024
Injury riddled senior season. Yet they kept running him out there. Still makes me mad.
I remember Shaw saying if you asked Bryce if he was OK to go he would always say yes. Assuming he had been cleared by the medical types it's hard to tell a kid he can't play if he wants to.
Every athlete wants to play, or feels they should. It's a combination of factors:
- Subtle pressure from the coach brought about by the coach's fear for his/her job and need for optimal athletic performance
- Optimism on the part of both the coach and the athlete that all will go well
- Lack of understanding of the medical issues
- Lack of experience with the specific medical issues
- Lack of concern for the athlete's welfare and future on the part of the coach (tell me I'm wrong)
- Desire on the part of the athlete to play
- Fear of letting down coaches, family, teammates
- Fear of being regarded as a wimp
Plenty of pressure, both subtle and overt, to participate. Very little pressure for recuperation.
RE: update on Bryce Love - gocard14 - 05-18-2024
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82lsju dateline='[url=tel:1715784784' Wrote: 1715784784[/url]']
from the Daily
Quote:But after an injury-riddled senior season, Love’s football career slowed down and he spent just two seasons in the NFL with the Washington Commanders.
“After I took some time off, I started thinking about different avenues, and was trying out different cohorts to see what I was passionate about,” Love said. “I wanted to figure out ways that I could make a difference, so I started taking different classes, investing in startups and learning about different technologies.”
Today, Love is still based in the Washington, D.C. area and works as an angel investor. He is passionate about identifying new opportunities for growth and innovation in tech.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/from-doak-walker-to-venture-capital-bryce-love-19-embarks-on-a-new-chapter/?utm_content=May-15-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=May-15-2024
Injury riddled senior season. Yet they kept running him out there. Still makes me mad.
I remember Shaw saying if you asked Bryce if he was OK to go he would always say yes. Assuming he had been cleared by the medical types it's hard to tell a kid he can't play if he wants to.
Every athlete wants to play, or feels they should. It's a combination of factors:
- Subtle pressure from the coach brought about by the coach's fear for his/her job and need for optimal athletic performance
- Optimism on the part of both the coach and the athlete that all will go well
- Lack of understanding of the medical issues
- Lack of experience with the specific medical issues
- Lack of concern for the athlete's welfare and future on the part of the coach (tell me I'm wrong)
- Desire on the part of the athlete to play
- Fear of letting down coaches, family, teammates
- Fear of being regarded as a wimp
Plenty of pressure, both subtle and overt, to participate. Very little pressure for recuperation.
Coaches are not doctors. It's the docs job to provide an expert opinion as to the risks of playing through an injury, if it risks worsening said injury or causing long term harm, and clearing a player or not based on those factors.
It's the coaches and ADs (and the docs) job to ensure those decisions are made without undue influence from those with secondary gain riding on the outcome. That is a major thing to accuse Shaw of, and I've seen no evidence of this anywhere. Furthermore many Stanford Orthopods could probably quit and make 1.5-2x their salary at PAMF or Kaiser, so it's hard to imagine one agreeing to provide suboptimal care due to external pressure.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Mick - 05-19-2024
(05-18-2024, 11:14 PM)gocard14 Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1715957508' Wrote: 1715957508[/url]']
JohnR34231 dateline='[url=tel:1715956809' Wrote: 1715956809[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1715954699' Wrote: 1715954699[/url]']
82lsju dateline='[url=tel:1715784784' Wrote: 1715784784[/url]']
from the Daily
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/05/14/from-doak-walker-to-venture-capital-bryce-love-19-embarks-on-a-new-chapter/?utm_content=May-15-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=May-15-2024
Injury riddled senior season. Yet they kept running him out there. Still makes me mad.
I remember Shaw saying if you asked Bryce if he was OK to go he would always say yes. Assuming he had been cleared by the medical types it's hard to tell a kid he can't play if he wants to.
Every athlete wants to play, or feels they should. It's a combination of factors:
- Subtle pressure from the coach brought about by the coach's fear for his/her job and need for optimal athletic performance
- Optimism on the part of both the coach and the athlete that all will go well
- Lack of understanding of the medical issues
- Lack of experience with the specific medical issues
- Lack of concern for the athlete's welfare and future on the part of the coach (tell me I'm wrong)
- Desire on the part of the athlete to play
- Fear of letting down coaches, family, teammates
- Fear of being regarded as a wimp
Plenty of pressure, both subtle and overt, to participate. Very little pressure for recuperation.
Coaches are not doctors. It's the docs job to provide an expert opinion as to the risks of playing through an injury, if it risks worsening said injury or causing long term harm, and clearing a player or not based on those factors.
It's the coaches and ADs (and the docs) job to ensure those decisions are made without undue influence from those with secondary gain riding on the outcome. That is a major thing to accuse Shaw of, and I've seen no evidence of this anywhere. Furthermore many Stanford Orthopods could probably quit and make 1.5-2x their salary at PAMF or Kaiser, so it's hard to imagine one agreeing to provide suboptimal care due to external pressure.
Right, so two things. First, every coach I ever had did that. I fully dislocated my arm in the first half of a game, and the coach convinced me to go back in in the second half. I've played with concussions.
So tell me about John Paye's decision to re-enter games with a ruined throwing shoulder and how it affected his future? That's all on John John?
RE: update on Bryce Love - dabigv13 - 05-19-2024
Do people here really believe Bryce Love's lack of NFL success was because of Shaw causing him to be injured? Shaw derangement syndrome still strong....
I doubt very much that he regrets playing in his senior season. Most athletes, even ones that aren't high level ones like Bryce Love, want to play if they are physically able to.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Goose - 05-19-2024
(05-19-2024, 09:48 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Do people here really believe Bryce Love's lack of NFL success was because of college injuries?Undoubtedly his lack of the speed he had before he got hurt was a major factor in his lack of success in the NFL. One might say that he was too small anyway to make it in the NFL, but we will never know.
Quote:I doubt very much that he regrets playing in his senior season. Most athletes, even ones that aren't high level ones like Bryce Love, want to play if they are physically able to.Agree that most players will play if the are physically able. Unknowable whether that "extra effort" prevented his full recovery from injury. It may be that he knew that if he didn't play, the NFL wouldn't want him from the beginning. He at least got a shot. It may be that in hindsight he would do it differently, but counterfactual speculation is just that. He may or may not "regret" it now, but certainly he was all in at the time.
RE: update on Bryce Love - dabigv13 - 05-19-2024
Yeah, I will say he was always undersized to make it in the NFL.
But more relevantly it's absurd to blame Shaw for his injury or insinuate Love was mismanaged. It's football, players get injured sometimes.
RE: update on Bryce Love - needle - 05-19-2024
(05-19-2024, 10:14 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Yeah, I will say he was always undersized to make it in the NFL.
But more relevantly it's absurd to blame Shaw for his injury or insinuate Love was mismanaged. It's football, players get injured sometimes.
Disagree. I thought it was egregiously wrong that Love played against Arizona State after missing the previous week. But there are always different ways of looking at things. Here's an ESPN write-up favorable to Shaw (whereas I remember being pretty critical of the decision to have Love suit up and play after seeing his first half performance):
Quote: Stanford running back Bryce Love returned after missing the Utah game with a left ankle injury. He was not fully healthy against the Sun Devils, but did show bursts of explosiveness before Shaw opted to take him out in the second half.
Love's stats: 21 yards on 11 carries
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401012768
Anyway, most of us know that Love sustained a severe knee injury on what was close to the last play of Big Game. It is possible that without that injury--the sort of unfortunate thing that is a danger for every running back--he might have been healthy enough for the NFL.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Goose - 05-19-2024
(05-19-2024, 10:14 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Yeah, I will say he was always undersized to make it in the NFL.Totally agree. There is no reason to believe Shaw (or anybody else for that matter) applied pressure on Love to play when it was inappropriate, given his injury status. Given all the criticism of Shaw's program not being "intense" enough it seems odd that he would be suspected of such behavior, especially in the absence of any evidence that I am aware of.
But more relevantly it's absurd to blame Shaw for his injury or insinuate Love was mismanaged. It's football, players get injured sometimes.
RE: update on Bryce Love - CowboyIndian - 05-19-2024
(05-19-2024, 11:47 AM)Goose Wrote: Given all the criticism of Shaw's program not being "intense" enough it seems odd that he would be suspected of such behavior, especially in the absence of any evidence that I am aware of.
Except, maybe, a history of terrible decisions.
RE: update on Bryce Love - dabigv13 - 05-19-2024
Quote:Disagree. I thought it was egregiously wrong that Love played against Arizona State after missing the previous week. But there are always different ways of looking at things. Here's an ESPN write-up favorable to Shaw (whereas I remember being pretty critical of the decision to have Love suit up and play after seeing his first half performance):
Quote:
Stanford running back Bryce Love returned after missing the Utah game with a left ankle injury. He was not fully healthy against the Sun Devils, but did show bursts of explosiveness before Shaw opted to take him out in the second half.
Love's stats: 21 yards on 11 carries
https://www.espn.com/college-football/re.../401012768
Anyway, most of us know that Love sustained a severe knee injury on what was close to the last play of Big Game. It is possible that without that injury--the sort of unfortunate thing that is a danger for every running back--he might have been healthy enough for the NFL.
As you acknowledge, any player on any play could suffer an ACL injury. Him playing through injuries earlier in the season didn't cause his ACL injury.
So is the malpractice that Shaw didn't sit his best player in the Big Game because it was a "meaningless" game and he could be a high draft pick and he could maybe be injured in it? What's even the point of CFB then?
RE: update on Bryce Love - needle - 05-19-2024
(05-19-2024, 11:57 AM)dabigv13 Wrote:Quote:Disagree. I thought it was egregiously wrong that Love played against Arizona State after missing the previous week. But there are always different ways of looking at things. Here's an ESPN write-up favorable to Shaw (whereas I remember being pretty critical of the decision to have Love suit up and play after seeing his first half performance):
Quote:
Stanford running back Bryce Love returned after missing the Utah game with a left ankle injury. He was not fully healthy against the Sun Devils, but did show bursts of explosiveness before Shaw opted to take him out in the second half.
Love's stats: 21 yards on 11 carries
https://www.espn.com/college-football/re.../401012768
Anyway, most of us know that Love sustained a severe knee injury on what was close to the last play of Big Game. It is possible that without that injury--the sort of unfortunate thing that is a danger for every running back--he might have been healthy enough for the NFL.
As you acknowledge, any player on any play could suffer an ACL injury. Him playing through injuries earlier in the season didn't cause his ACL injury.
So is the malpractice that Shaw didn't sit his best player in the Big Game because it was a "meaningless" game and he could be a high draft pick and he could maybe be injured in it? What's even the point of CFB then?
My complaint was with the decision to play Love in the Arizona State game after he had missed the Utah game a week earlier. Looking back at that season, the Arizona State game was sort of a "must win" after losses (to Utah and ND) that really hurt a team with fairly high expectations (pre-season No. 13 in the AP poll). I question whether Love was rushed back more so because the team needed a win rather than because his leg injury had improved (he looked noticeably hobbled against Arizona State).
I don't have a strong memory of how Love looked specifically in Big Game, but his stats were somewhere between bad and mediocre: 22 carries for 74 yards. No strong opinion here as to whether he should have sat.
RE: update on Bryce Love - martyup - 05-19-2024
Fond memories of Love versus Rice down under.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Snorlax94 - 05-20-2024
(05-19-2024, 10:00 AM)Goose Wrote:(05-19-2024, 09:48 AM)dabigv13 Wrote: Do people here really believe Bryce Love's lack of NFL success was because of college injuries?Undoubtedly his lack of the speed he had before he got hurt was a major factor in his lack of success in the NFL. One might say that he was too small anyway to make it in the NFL, but we will never know.
Quote:I doubt very much that he regrets playing in his senior season. Most athletes, even ones that aren't high level ones like Bryce Love, want to play if they are physically able to.Agree that most players will play if the are physically able. Unknowable whether that "extra effort" prevented his full recovery from injury. It may be that he knew that if he didn't play, the NFL wouldn't want him from the beginning. He at least got a shot. It may be that in hindsight he would do it differently, but counterfactual speculation is just that. He may or may not "regret" it now, but certainly he was all in at the time.
Very few people have the superhuman durability required to play in the NFL, especially at the running back position.
Have you seen the hits CMac takes over the course a season? He takes at least a dozen bone crushing hits right on his head that you’d think would end a college player’s career, and he pops up, and refuses to even be examined. I wondered whether the Super Bowl fumble was due to being pumped up with so many pain killers he wasn’t able to feel his arm.
You can’t take one or two more college games — Pac 12 ones at that (not playoff games against the SEC) — and think a person would’ve had a long, healthy nfl career had he not played in those two pac 12 college games.
Concussions are different. We know it’s wrong to put a kid back in a game after they’ve suffered a concussion, and even though there’s evidence of college coaches trying to get around this rule, as far as I know, Shaw was excellent about this.
By chance, yes, I will grant that if Love had been pulled from that final big game a few plays earlier, he may not have finished the season injured, and he may have been drafted earlier and may have gotten more guaranteed money. But that to me is just bad luck timing. You can point to any player’s injury ever and say if the coach hadn’t put them in for that one particular play, then the player wouldn’t have been injured.
The evidence is that Love wouldn’t have had a long NFL career whether he had played in that big game or not. I wish he could have. I always thought he was an amazing person and if there was anything possible that he could have influenced — in terms of hard work, dedication, or character — he did it. It just wasn’t going to be. I wish he’d gotten more guaranteed money. I wish him the best. He signed items for my son and me after the spring scrimmage, and from what I saw, he was a fantastic person and a model student athlete.
The injury makes me sad, but also, he is a Stanford graduate, with an amazing background and an incredible community of people who want to see him succeed. Who is to say he does not have a great life ahead of him?
RE: update on Bryce Love - threepointer - 05-20-2024
I still don't understand how John Lynch has not had any negative impact from his long hard hitting career.
Concussion Issue Not Settled
The hit on Jerome Bettis alone would have ended the careers of many defensive backs.
Launching a Legend
"The game started poorly for Stanford. Steve Stenstrom was sacked in the end zone for a safety on the game's first play and Lynch was knocked cold during the first quarter, the only concussion he suffered during his football career, as Notre Dame built a 16-0 lead. Lynch emerged from his fog at halftime and changed the game. On the first play of the second half, the Fighting Irish sent its battering ram of a fullback, 250-pound Jerome "The Bus" Bettis, charging off tackle.
Lynch hit him so hard that Bettis's helmet and the football went flying, sending shock waves over silent Notre Dame Stadium. Stanford recovered the ball at the Irish's 22-yard line and scored three plays later. The comeback was on.
"I don't know if that ever happened to him before," Lynch said. "With a big back like Bettis, everyone goes low. I think I kind of surprised him."
RE: update on Bryce Love - fullmetal - 05-24-2024
As much as F1 drivers train to strengthen their neck muscles, I suspect the same will reduce likelihood of TBI in football players. I'm happy that there are football players who do not have brain trauma, but I am far sadder about those who do have brain trauma.
Bryce Love could have been a transcendental player. But he seems like he'll be a great human, great Stanford alum, and that alone makes him worth knowing.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Mick - 05-24-2024
(05-24-2024, 03:18 PM)fullmetal Wrote: As much as F1 drivers train to strengthen their neck muscles, I suspect the same will reduce likelihood of TBI in football players. I'm happy that there are football players who do not have brain trauma, but I am far sadder about those who do have brain trauma.
Bryce Love could have been a transcendental player. But he seems like he'll be a great human, great Stanford alum, and that alone makes him worth knowing.
Makes me think of all the football players who, for whatever reason, passed on Stanford. For a variety of reasons, I've known many ex-Stanford football players. To a man, they're accomplished, solid people. Most have done quite well, and many of them are quite prominent. The 40-year decision is pretty important, and having a Stanford degree isn't having the wind at your back...it's having a hurricane at your back. Wish more athletes in general and football players in particular, realized that.
RE: update on Bryce Love - Madera86 - 05-24-2024
(05-20-2024, 07:45 PM)threepointer Wrote: I still don't understand how John Lynch has not had any negative impact from his long hard hitting career.
Concussion Issue Not Settled
The hit on Jerome Bettis alone would have ended the careers of many defensive backs.
Launching a Legend
"The game started poorly for Stanford. Steve Stenstrom was sacked in the end zone for a safety on the game's first play and Lynch was knocked cold during the first quarter, the only concussion he suffered during his football career, as Notre Dame built a 16-0 lead. Lynch emerged from his fog at halftime and changed the game. On the first play of the second half, the Fighting Irish sent its battering ram of a fullback, 250-pound Jerome "The Bus" Bettis, charging off tackle.
Lynch hit him so hard that Bettis's helmet and the football went flying, sending shock waves over silent Notre Dame Stadium. Stanford recovered the ball at the Irish's 22-yard line and scored three plays later. The comeback was on.
"I don't know if that ever happened to him before," Lynch said. "With a big back like Bettis, everyone goes low. I think I kind of surprised him."
I just watched a replay of that hit. I love our players, but wouldn't that be illegal today?