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Stanford laying off 363 - chrisk - 08-05-2025

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stanford-university-layoffs-cuts-20803037.php

Stanford Layoffs - 82lsju - 08-05-2025

Quote:"Stanford University will permanently lay off hundreds of employees this fall as part of sweeping budget reductions driven by federal policy changes, rising operational costs and shifting funding sources, according to state filings and statements from the university.

The layoffs, set to take effect between Sept. 30 and Nov. 1, will impact 363 positions, a university spokesperson confirmed Tuesday.

The affected roles span more than 200 job classifications and touch nearly every corner of the university, including administration, research, IT, student services, alumni relations and campus operations, according to a WARN Act notice filed with the California Employment Development Department last week.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stanford-university-layoffs-cuts-20803037.php

I've requested the WARN filing from the EDD which will list the layoffs by job and number of people in the job to see if there is anything interesting. So far I know two people impacted by the layoffs.

ADD: I looked over the EDD filing, the layoffs seem to be ~85% minions and ~15% management. Only one title that's obviously in the AD

the list is here

https://u8387778.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=u001.VEsWrlMiJDg0mXafq1mEXTQFqQe6276HTRhRebj-2FndGGUmBk-2Bon8n04YE5PbzezTRq3tv8Fw3XTLtg8-2F47g9g6oWM7kUnwiK5WFQnt6GpRxH-2BXLschh-2FtVZcL1GDiqaKwrVR5rHtp-2BMhHsLFCSi5HZUrFxDNxl86cwI7II9vueOR9ck2vKcLg5zxWkceUbPucREVvEa3-2BAnS4y0RIp9T5Q-3D-3Dsxox_LL2Rq3cWA-2BYTfVMsx5msyy-2BSZGwRj4CpvzTM47oGZxZPxjSa6v76-2BIdiQ3A-2BfsxrhSH3abAn5qcGwqmmjpXUGMoWn07soUe6nhMOO3pu6u7gVb7PoGI1x30GF2cj2-2FLtACo982Mvi41RRJEL96ebkTi32KgRga7jIdtXGkE362I7-2Bw54Qo0N8TsunRsrY1TQnhQ9gRxu12iybVHcXHk23A-2BVPc77Y6VumjpINwPd9xg1qqZUVYTOwqLxlxgsursyLaDFMQqs5bQNsNaI1AIjy6P1P9d2GWiYrcMgKrW-2BBIpBkV5Ouwt0wOFOKYOqQb4XhWEyf2-2BBM3LI-2FXOuWDBguflPjKGk4ZFd5UQoMHyKkuQ-3D

RE: Stanford Layoffs - fullmetal - 08-05-2025

That's a number of alumni relations folks impacted. I wonder if those are for academic departments, the alumni association, or donor-related alumni functions :(

RE: Stanford Layoffs - 82lsju - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 03:58 PM)fullmetal Wrote: That's a number of alumni relations folks impacted. I wonder if those are for academic departments, the alumni association, or donor-related alumni functions :(

I know two in the alumni association who were laid off, worked with both on reunions in the past.

RE: Stanford Layoffs - Leftcoast - 08-05-2025

Tough time to be an "Administrative Assistant". I count 72 (!) with that job title on the lay-off list.

I'm guessing the order came down that everyone below level X will now manage their own calendars, e-mail, expenses, reporting, etc. This has been happening in private industry for quite awhile.

RE: Stanford laying off 363 - M T - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 01:13 PM)chrisk Wrote: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stanford-university-layoffs-cuts-20803037.php

Hmm... Athletics was not mentioned as one of the areas getting hit. (That doesn't mean it wasn't hit, just that it wasn't mentioned.)

The article says "increased Stanford’s endowment tax from 1.4% to 8%"
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[url=https://stanforddaily.com/2025/06/05/stanford-to-face-21-endowment-tax-under-trump-bill/]Stanford Daily indicates "As of August 2024, Stanford’s endowment totaled $37.6 billion, with an annual payout of about $1.8 billion." Stanford indicates 7554 undergrads + 9915 grads (Fall 2024) = 17,469 students. Adding 8% more students (ie 1,331) would get to 18,800 students and Stanford would be in the 4% bracket, saving $1.8 billion * 4% = $72 million (about $54,000 per added student).

Granted, I don't know where they would put them on the main campus, it would seem Stanford could swallow up some small school and campus.

Another way to increase the student population is for students to (opt to) stay an extra year.

RE: Stanford Layoffs - M T - 08-05-2025

I wonder if the hire of the AD involved saying "We'll lay off scientists, researchers, librarians, etc, but we won't touch athletics except one token employee" ?

RE: Stanford Layoffs - PalmTree - 08-05-2025

Quote:ADD: I looked over the EDD filing, the layoffs seem to be ~85% minions and ~15% management. Only one title that's obviously in the AD

At least 3 (BeWell falls under DAPER - IIRC, that program's entirely general funded). Otherwise, there's really no way to tell how many other DAPER positions were cut - possible pertinent job classifications also affected include those under administration, student services, facilities/project management, communications/outreach &/or fundraising/corporate relations

RE: Stanford Layoffs - 82lsju - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 05:27 PM)M T Wrote: I wonder if the hire of the AD involved saying "We'll lay off scientists, researchers, librarians, etc, but we won't touch athletics except one token employee" ?

or "your first job is to evaluate and right-size the AD".....and if they wait long enough and it is <50 people they will not have to do a WARN filing....

RE: Stanford laying off 363 - 82lsju - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 05:19 PM)M T Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 01:13 PM)chrisk Wrote: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stanford-university-layoffs-cuts-20803037.php

Hmm... Athletics was not mentioned as one of the areas getting hit. (That doesn't mean it wasn't hit, just that it wasn't mentioned.)

The article says "increased Stanford’s endowment tax from 1.4% to 8%"
[/url]
[url=https://stanforddaily.com/2025/06/05/stanford-to-face-21-endowment-tax-under-trump-bill/]Stanford Daily indicates "As of August 2024, Stanford’s endowment totaled $37.6 billion, with an annual payout of about $1.8 billion." Stanford indicates 7554 undergrads + 9915 grads (Fall 2024) = 17,469 students. Adding 8% more students (ie 1,331) would get to 18,800 students and Stanford would be in the 4% bracket, saving $1.8 billion * 4% = $72 million (about $54,000 per added student).

Granted, I don't know where they would put them on the main campus, it would seem Stanford could swallow up some small school and campus.

Another way to increase the student population is for students to (opt to) stay an extra year.

well the plan for the incoming frosh class is to be +150 from previous undergrad classes which over 4 years would be 600 students

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2025/04/president-levins-remarks-on-expanding-the-undergraduate-class

and they did look at buying Notre Dame in Belmont but backed out

https://belmont.stanford.edu/

I would guess they will do some serious accounting looking at the valuation of endowment investments to get to the 4% tax rate

RE: Stanford Layoffs - chrisk - 08-05-2025

Between alumni relations and development, the number of cuts appears to be over 20. I guess they are focusing more on really big donors and less on the small fish who take years to cultivate but whose current donations don't pay for themselves. The alumni and development will probably be kept on through the October reunions.

On the food side, 3 chefs and 3 dieticians are being laid off.

RE: Stanford laying off 363 - chrisk - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 06:21 PM)82lsju Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 05:19 PM)M T Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 01:13 PM)chrisk Wrote: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stanford-university-layoffs-cuts-20803037.php

Hmm... Athletics was not mentioned as one of the areas getting hit. (That doesn't mean it wasn't hit, just that it wasn't mentioned.)

The article says "increased Stanford’s endowment tax from 1.4% to 8%"
[/url]
Stanford Daily indicates "As of August 2024, Stanford’s endowment totaled $37.6 billion, with an annual payout of about $1.8 billion." Stanford indicates 7554 undergrads + 9915 grads (Fall 2024) = 17,469 students. Adding 8% more students (ie 1,331) would get to 18,800 students and Stanford would be in the 4% bracket, saving $1.8 billion * 4% = $72 million (about $54,000 per added student).

Granted, I don't know where they would put them on the main campus, it would seem Stanford could swallow up some small school and campus.

Another way to increase the student population is for students to (opt to) stay an extra year.

well the plan for the incoming frosh class is to be +150 from previous undergrad classes which over 4 years would be 600 students

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2025/04/president-levins-remarks-on-expanding-the-undergraduate-class

and they did look at buying Notre Dame in Belmont but backed out

https://belmont.stanford.edu/

I would guess they will do some serious accounting looking at the valuation of endowment investments to get to the 4% tax rate

They can direct new giving to current operations rather than to the endowment. Since the university would be paying tax currently on the income from endowment gifts, it could be more tax-efficient for the big donors to hold onto their money until the university was ready to spend it.

(08-05-2025, 05:19 PM)M T Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 01:13 PM)chrisk Wrote: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stanford-university-layoffs-cuts-20803037.php

Hmm... Athletics was not mentioned as one of the areas getting hit. (That doesn't mean it wasn't hit, just that it wasn't mentioned.)

The article says "increased Stanford’s endowment tax from 1.4% to 8%"

[url=https://stanforddaily.com/2025/06/05/stanford-to-face-21-endowment-tax-under-trump-bill/]Stanford Daily indicates "As of August 2024, Stanford’s endowment totaled $37.6 billion, with an annual payout of about $1.8 billion." Stanford indicates 7554 undergrads + 9915 grads (Fall 2024) = 17,469 students. Adding 8% more students (ie 1,331) would get to 18,800 students and Stanford would be in the 4% bracket, saving $1.8 billion * 4% = $72 million (about $54,000 per added student).

Granted, I don't know where they would put them on the main campus, it would seem Stanford could swallow up some small school and campus.

Another way to increase the student population is for students to (opt to) stay an extra year.

Vice Provost for Student Affairs Michele Rasmussen is on the committee investigating the proposed increase in undergraduate enrollment. In the alumni Zoom session today on student life, she made the point that housing was a key factor in the analysis. In her comments, she threw out percentage increases of 15%, 30%, and 50%. I wouldn't put much significance in those particular percentages, but they are not just looking at 150 more here and 150 more there.

RE: Stanford Layoffs - 82lsju - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 08:07 PM)chrisk Wrote: Between alumni relations and development, the number of cuts appears to be over 20. I guess they are focusing more on really big donors and less on the small fish who take years to cultivate but whose current donations don't pay for themselves. The alumni and development will probably be kept on through the October reunions.

On the food side, 3 chefs and 3 dieticians are being laid off.

almost all the jobs have an end date of 10/01/2025 (which is just over the 60 days required by the WARN filing)

RE: Stanford Layoffs - chrisk - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 08:28 PM)82lsju Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 08:07 PM)chrisk Wrote: Between alumni relations and development, the number of cuts appears to be over 20. I guess they are focusing more on really big donors and less on the small fish who take years to cultivate but whose current donations don't pay for themselves. The alumni and development will probably be kept on through the October reunions.

On the food side, 3 chefs and 3 dieticians are being laid off.

almost all the jobs have an end date of 10/01/2025 (which is just over the 60 days required by the WARN filing)

The Chronicle article said the layoffs would take place between 9/30 and 11/1.

RE: Stanford Layoffs - Jamesy - 08-05-2025

There were a large number of layoffs within DAPER last week. I didn't see most of them on the filing.

RE: Stanford Layoffs - M T - 08-05-2025

(08-05-2025, 09:48 PM)Jamesy Wrote: There were a large number of layoffs within DAPER last week. I didn't see most of them on the filing.

Can you document this? A quick search didn’t show any mention of this. I don’t know that such layoffs would need to be in such a filing, but I would think so

RE: Stanford Layoffs - PalmTree - 08-06-2025

(08-05-2025, 10:26 PM)M T Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 09:48 PM)Jamesy Wrote: There were a large number of layoffs within DAPER last week. I didn't see most of them on the filing.

Can you document this? A quick search didn’t show any mention of this. I don’t know that such layoffs would need to be in such a filing, but I would think so

WARN filing is required if 50 or more employees are involved - I could see the layoffs occuring without being "documented" if the #s were below 50, plus the timelines are different

RE: Stanford Layoffs - 82lsju - 08-06-2025

(08-05-2025, 09:26 PM)chrisk Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 08:28 PM)82lsju Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 08:07 PM)chrisk Wrote: Between alumni relations and development, the number of cuts appears to be over 20. I guess they are focusing more on really big donors and less on the small fish who take years to cultivate but whose current donations don't pay for themselves. The alumni and development will probably be kept on through the October reunions.

On the food side, 3 chefs and 3 dieticians are being laid off.

almost all the jobs have an end date of 10/01/2025 (which is just over the 60 days required by the WARN filing)
The Chronicle article said the layoffs would take place between 9/30 and 11/1.

if you look at the WARN filing linked above almost all of them have an effective date (last day of work) of 10/01/2025. I don't know how Stanford handles people during the WARN period but my last few employers essentially paid you for the 60 days, some had you work during that time and some did not.

(08-06-2025, 12:01 AM)PalmTree Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 10:26 PM)M T Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 09:48 PM)Jamesy Wrote: There were a large number of layoffs within DAPER last week. I didn't see most of them on the filing.

Can you document this? A quick search didn’t show any mention of this. I don’t know that such layoffs would need to be in such a filing, but I would think so

WARN filing is required if 50 or more employees are involved - I could see the layoffs occuring without being "documented" if the #s were below 50, plus the timelines are different

some companies are very good at playing the "avoid doing a WARN filing thing", laying off just under the reportable limit (50 people at one location or some percentage of the workforce in that location), spacing them far enough apart in time to not be reportable, having enough locations to get under the reportable limit (e.g., layoff people in SF and SJ and treat them as separate events)

RE: Stanford Layoffs - Mick - 08-06-2025

(08-05-2025, 04:53 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: Tough time to be an "Administrative Assistant". I count 72 (!) with that job title on the lay-off list.

I'm guessing the order came down that everyone below level X will now manage their own calendars, e-mail, expenses, reporting, etc. This has been happening in private industry for quite awhile.

I've had to handle two layoffs. In both cases, the firms wanted headcount reduced, rather aggregate salary. Therefore, my lowest-paid team members all took the hit, mostly assistants. In the latter case, I really wanted to eliminate two underperforming, highly-paid directors, but was told that I couldn't by HR.

RE: Stanford Layoffs - M T - 08-06-2025

(08-06-2025, 12:01 AM)PalmTree Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 10:26 PM)M T Wrote:
(08-05-2025, 09:48 PM)Jamesy Wrote: There were a large number of layoffs within DAPER last week. I didn't see most of them on the filing.

Can you document this? A quick search didn’t show any mention of this. I don’t know that such layoffs would need to be in such a filing, but I would think so

WARN filing is required if 50 or more employees are involved - I could see the layoffs occuring without being "documented" if the #s were below 50, plus the timelines are different

But why wouldn't Stanford bundle Athletic Department layoffs into this WARN filing? It certainly is a bad look that they laid off so many in so many areas but essentially didn't touch Athletics. I imagine the Faculty Senate would question the administration over this.

If we had any documentation of the numbers, if any, laid off in Athletics, then that would be one thing, but right now, I've not seen any.