MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - Printable Version
+- The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board)
+-- Forum: C-House! (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-5.html)
+--- Thread: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN (/thread-26035.html)
+- The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board)
+-- Forum: C-House! (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-5.html)
+--- Thread: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN (/thread-26035.html)
MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - skip75 - 01-24-2026
With apologies to Big Game, this really is a big game for both of these teams. They both seem destined to be involved in a season-long dogfight among middle-of-the-pack ACC teams. A Stanford win could get them into a tie for 4th place in the ACC at the close of action today - a loss could drop them as far as a tie for 11th. Getting a win to get to 4-3 in ACC play would also be a big lift going into a tough trip to Miami & FSU next week. Stanford is favored by 4.5 and the over/under is 145.5 - making the implied score 75-70.5.
Both teams go into this game with 14-5 records. Cal is 2-4 in ACC play and 0-3 in road games. Breaking each teams records down by Quad 1-4 wins & losses: Stanford is 4-2/2-0/3-3/5-0, while Cal is 2-4/0-1/5-0/6-0 (their 14th win was over Div II Dominican). Little separates the two teams in most rating systems. Stanford & Cal ratings are: 77 & 76 (Kenpom), 70 & 68 (Bart Torvik), 55 & 64 (Massey), 85 & 81 (ESPN BPI), and 68 & 60 (NET). Various sources that publish ACC "power ratings" have Stanford ranked 8, 9, or 10 - Cal is ranked 10 or 11. So these teams seem to have much more in common than each being the one-time home of the peripatetic Andrej Stojakovic.
In terms of teams stats, again the teams are remarkably similar - especially when comparing stats for the ACC games only, where Cal & Stanford have faced the same opposition. Stanford has a slight edge in both scoring and rebounding margins. Stanford has had some real struggles on the boards in ACC games, but maybe the big guys will have a somewhat easier time today after going up against 6 of the top 7 ACC rebounding teams in the past 3 weeks. One stat where Cal has a decided edge is free throw percentage - 80.0-71.6. Hopefully that won't be the difference in what should be a tight game.
If you watched Cal in Stanford's three victories over them last season, you won't recognize much about this year's team. The only two returnees in their current rotation are Lee Dort & DJ Campbell. A third returnee, Rytis Petraitis is out for the season (another similarity between these teams as they both have lost a key player, Petraitis & Chisom Okpara, to injury).
Expected starting line-up for Cal:
#7 Dai Dai Ames (6'2/190 Jr G) Like Stojakovic, Ames is a 3-for-3 guy - a year at Kansas State, a year at UVa (where he started for the Cavs in a losing effort at Maples last season). Leads the Bears with 17.4ppg (8th in ACC) & 49.4% shooting (#9 ACC)
#10 Justin Pippin (6'3/190 So G) Scottie's kid. Sierra Canyon HS grad who spent his freshman year at Michigan. Leads team with 4.1apg (#12 ACC), scores 14.6ppg, has 2.1 steals/game (#2 ACC).
#34 Lee Dort (6'10/235 Sr F) 7.8rpg (#10 ACC), scores 8.0ppg. Also averages more than 3 fouls/game.
#2 John Camden (6'8/220 Gr F) Like Cammann & Okorie, a grad of Brewster Academy in New Hampshire. Played at Memphis, Va Tech, & Delaware. 13.4ppg. 2.6 3s/game (#6 ACC) on 39.2% shooting (#3 ACC).
#22 Chris Bell (6'7/195 Sr F) De La Salle grad, spent 3 years at Syracuse where he started 75 games (another guy who experienced a loss at Maples last season). 12.0ppg. Leads ACC with 90.1% on free throws.
Cal is pretty reliant on their starting five. Ames, Pippin, & Camden are all in the top-25 in the ACC for minutes/game. Every starter averages at least 24 minutes/game. Ames, Pippin, Camden, & Bell have combined for 148 3s - the rest of the team has 21.
Other players in the rotation are:
#3 TT Carr (6'1/170 Fr G) Redwood HS (Mill Valley) grad
#8 Milos Ilic (6'10/240 Gr C) Transfer with 4 years at Loyola Md.
#1 DJ Campbell (6'3/205 Sr G) Missed 10 games with a groin injury and now averaging 13 min/game - down from 26 last season.
#21 Nolan Dorsey (6'5/210 Gr G) Played at New Mexico (1 season), Holy Cross (2), & Campbell (2), where he was Coastal Athletic Association Defensive PoY.
Even in seasons where these teams seem to be mismatched, this rivalry typically results in very competitive games. And this season, they seem to be pretty evenly matched. There should be another large & loud crowd at Maples today. You've gotta love Mark Madsen, but hopefully Stanford can continue to make his life miserable with their 6th straight win (& 7th consecutive at Maples) over the Bears.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - PalmTree - 01-24-2026
(01-24-2026, 10:10 AM)skip75 Wrote: With apologies to Big Game, this really is a big game for both of these teams. They both seem destined to be involved in a season-long dogfight among middle-of-the-pack ACC teams. A Stanford win could get them into a tie for 4th place in the ACC at the close of action today - a loss could drop them as far as a tie for 11th. Getting a win to get to 4-3 in ACC play would also be a big lift going into a tough trip to Miami & FSU next week. Stanford is favored by 4.5 and the over/under is 146.5 - making the implied score 75.5-71.
Both teams go into this game with 14-5 records. Cal is 2-4 in ACC play and 0-3 in road games. Breaking each teams records down by Quad 1-4 wins & losses: Stanford is 4-2/2-0/3-3/5-0, while Cal is 2-4/0-1/5-0/6-0 (their 14th win was over Div II Dominican). Little separates the two teams in most rating systems. Stanford & Cal ratings are: 77 & 76 (Kenpom), 70 & 68 (Bart Torvik), 55 & 64 (Massey), 85 & 81 (ESPN BPI), and 68 & 60 (NET). Various sources that publish ACC "power ratings" have Stanford ranked 8, 9, or 10 - Cal is ranked 10 or 11. So these teams seem to have much more in common than each being the one-time home of the peripatetic Andrej Stojakovic.
In terms of teams stats, again the teams are remarkably similar - especially when comparing stats for the ACC games only, where Cal & Stanford have faced the same opposition. Stanford has a slight edge in both scoring and rebounding margins. Stanford has had some real struggles on the boards in ACC games, but maybe the big guys will have a somewhat easier time today after going up against 6 of the top 7 ACC rebounding teams in the past 3 weeks. One stat where Cal has a decided edge is free throw percentage - 80.0-71.6. Hopefully that won't be the difference in what should be a tight game.
If you watched Cal in Stanford's three victories over them last season, you won't recognize much about this year's team. The only two returnees in their current rotation are Lee Dort & DJ Campbell. A third returnee, Rytis Petraitis is out for the season (another similarity between these teams as they both have lost a key player, Petraitis & Chisom Okpara, to injury).
Expected starting line-up for Cal:
#7 Dai Dai Ames (6'2/190 Jr G) Like Stojakovic, Ames is a 3-for-3 guy - a year at Kansas State, a year at UVa (where he started for the Cavs in a losing effort at Maples last season). Leads the Bears with 17.4ppg (8th in ACC) & 49.4% shooting (#9 ACC)
#10 Justin Pippin (6'3/190 So G) Scottie's kid. Sierra Canyon HS grad who spent his freshman year at Michigan. Leads team with 4.1apg (#12 ACC), scores 14.6ppg, has 2.1 steals/game (#2 ACC).
#34 Lee Dort (6'10/235 Sr F) 7.8rpg (#10 ACC), scores 8.0ppg. Also averages more than 3 fouls/game.
#2 John Camden (6'8/220 Gr F) Like Cammann & Okorie, a grad of Brewster Academy in New Hampshire. Played at Memphis, Va Tech, & Delaware. 13.4ppg. 2.6 3s/game (#6 ACC) on 39.2% shooting (#3 ACC).
#22 Chris Bell (6'7/195 Sr F) De La Salle grad, spent 3 years at Syracuse where he started 75 games (another guy who experienced a loss at Maples last season). 12.0ppg. Leads ACC with 90.1% on free throws.
Cal is pretty reliant on their starting five. Ames, Pippin, & Camden are all in the top-25 in the ACC for minutes/game. Every starter averages at least 24 minutes/game. Ames, Pippin, Camden, & Bell have combined for 148 3s - the rest of the team has 21.
Other players in the rotation are:
#3 TT Carr (6'1/170 Fr G) Redwood HS (Mill Valley) grad
#8 Milos Ilic (6'10/240 Gr C) Transfer with 4 years at Loyola Md.
#1 DJ Campbell (6'3/205 Sr G) Missed 10 games with a groin injury and now averaging 13 min/game - down from 26 last season.
#21 Nolan Dorsey (6'5/210 Gr G) Played at New Mexico (1 season), Holy Cross (2), & Campbell (2), where he was Coastal Athletic Association Defensive PoY.
Even in seasons where these teams seem to be mismatched, this rivalry typically results in very competitive games. And this season, they seem to be pretty evenly matched. There should be another large & loud crowd at Maples today. You've gotta love Mark Madsen, but hopefully Stanford can continue to make his life miserable with their 6th straight win (& 7th consecutive at Maples) over the Bears.
Nice write up, Skip - obrigado!
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - needle - 01-24-2026
Since beating Stanford, Notre Dame has lost five straight games, including to Kal.
For Big Dance dreamers, I'd say it's a must win game.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - old spanish trail - 01-24-2026
I hope to be proved very wrong, but I don't see how the Card win many games going forward without Okpara. The bigs are Giltay, Kamann, Rohosy and Young. Kamann and Rohosy play all out but neither have much heft or lift. Nor are they 3 pt threats. Giltay is going to be excellent, but he's pencil thin now, and can't wrestle the ball from anybody. Nice to have Young back, and he at least has strength, but he doesn't look as bouncy as last year.
Okpara dribbled too much in the key, and occasionally rumbled out of control, but he had muscle, surprising skill, and played hard.
Btw, yesterday's green sheet has a main article re 2026 recruit Elias Obenyah, 6'5", from Richmond. Sounds promising.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - McKenwood - 01-24-2026
(01-24-2026, 03:59 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I hope to be proved very wrong, but I don't see how the Card win many games going forward without Okpara. The bigs are Giltay, Kamann, Rohosy and Young. Kamann and Rohosy play all out but neither have much heft or lift. Nor are they 3 pt threats. Giltay is going to be excellent, but he's pencil thin now, and can't wrestle the ball from anybody. Nice to have Young back, and he at least has strength, but he doesn't look as bouncy as last year.
Okpara dribbled too much in the key, and occasionally rumbled out of control, but he had muscle, surprising skill, and played hard.
Btw, yesterday's green sheet has a main article re 2026 recruit Elias Obenyah, 6'5", from Richmond. Sounds promising.
Unfortunately I agree with your assessment that the rest of the season is pretty bleak. Stanford was short of scorers even before Okpara's injury. Coach Smith knew this especially once Sellers left. He tried to reengage with Stojakavic and had Petty (who is now a starter for Texas Tech) but that did not work out either.
Still a big believer in Coach Smith. Hope Stanford finishes above .500 this year and makes the ACC tourney. For next year Stanford needs to retain Okorie and get one or two forward transfers who can score. The freshmen class seems solid but young players are a crap shoot.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - old spanish trail - 01-24-2026
(01-24-2026, 04:11 PM)McKenwood Wrote:(01-24-2026, 03:59 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I hope to be proved very wrong, but I don't see how the Card win many games going forward without Okpara. The bigs are Giltay, Kamann, Rohosy and Young. Kamann and Rohosy play all out but neither have much heft or lift. Nor are they 3 pt threats. Giltay is going to be excellent, but he's pencil thin now, and can't wrestle the ball from anybody. Nice to have Young back, and he at least has strength, but he doesn't look as bouncy as last year.
Okpara dribbled too much in the key, and occasionally rumbled out of control, but he had muscle, surprising skill, and played hard.
Btw, yesterday's green sheet has a main article re 2026 recruit Elias Obenyah, 6'5", from Richmond. Sounds promising.
Unfortunately I agree with your assessment that the rest of the season is pretty bleak. Stanford was short of scorers even before Okpara's injury. Coach Smith knew this especially once Sellers left. He tried to reengage with Stojakavic and had Petty (who is now a starter for Texas Tech) but that did not work out either.
Still a big believer in Coach Smith. Hope Stanford finishes above .500 this year and makes the ACC tourney. For next year Stanford needs to retain Okorie and get one or two forward transfers who can score. The freshmen class seems solid but young players are a crap shoot.
Also a big believer in Smith here.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - TonyLima - 01-24-2026
Zebras are whistle happy early.
(01-24-2026, 05:31 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:Same.(01-24-2026, 04:11 PM)McKenwood Wrote:(01-24-2026, 03:59 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I hope to be proved very wrong, but I don't see how the Card win many games going forward without Okpara. The bigs are Giltay, Kamann, Rohosy and Young. Kamann and Rohosy play all out but neither have much heft or lift. Nor are they 3 pt threats. Giltay is going to be excellent, but he's pencil thin now, and can't wrestle the ball from anybody. Nice to have Young back, and he at least has strength, but he doesn't look as bouncy as last year.
Okpara dribbled too much in the key, and occasionally rumbled out of control, but he had muscle, surprising skill, and played hard.
Btw, yesterday's green sheet has a main article re 2026 recruit Elias Obenyah, 6'5", from Richmond. Sounds promising.
Unfortunately I agree with your assessment that the rest of the season is pretty bleak. Stanford was short of scorers even before Okpara's injury. Coach Smith knew this especially once Sellers left. He tried to reengage with Stojakavic and had Petty (who is now a starter for Texas Tech) but that did not work out either.
Still a big believer in Coach Smith. Hope Stanford finishes above .500 this year and makes the ACC tourney. For next year Stanford needs to retain Okorie and get one or two forward transfers who can score. The freshmen class seems solid but young players are a crap shoot.
Also a big believer in Smith here.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - Card10Fan - 01-24-2026
In Coach Smith and Okori we trust. I think this team can still make the NCAA tourney even without Okpara. We have some quality wins on the resume already. Need to win at home and hope for some splits on the road the rest of the way.
Good start vs Cal!
SkiBum80 - SkiBum80 - 01-24-2026
I’ve been watching the game.
And just now read this thread.
For the folks saying we unlikely to win another game due to losing Okpara, with us up 24-11 at this point, are you holding to that or care to make any revisions?
I agree this is nearly a must win game
But not due to quad wins
But more because if we are to have good season and hope to make any post season play we need to win most our home ACC games
Because away ACC games very hard to win
Pippen Jr just put Kal back in the game
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - JJJ - 01-24-2026
Our threes have stopped falling, and their shots are finding the bottom of the net. Feels like we’re pulling the trigger too quickly now. Sure, they’d be daggers if they were good, but maybe one and done in the first few seconds isn’t the way to go at this time?
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - burger - 01-24-2026
I'm pretty sure that Madsen's assistant coach is Noho Hank from Barry.
SkiBum80 - SkiBum80 - 01-24-2026
How not a travel on Pippen Jr?
I could see it from 3000 miles away!
Agree w announcer: Okorie not in rhythm
Giltay a day late & a dollar short
A tale of 2 quarters
Man did we collapse in 2nd qtr
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - TonyLima - 01-24-2026
Looks to me like Cal has moved their defense out and is picking Stanford up earlier in the possession. That seems to have messed up Stanford‘s passing.
(01-24-2026, 06:53 PM)burger Wrote: I'm pretty sure that Madsen's assistant coach is Noho Hank from Barry.Barry?
76lsjumb - 76lsjumb - 01-24-2026
SkiBum80 dateline='[url=tel:1769305171' Wrote: 1769305171[/url]']
I’ve been watching the game.
And just now read this thread.
For the folks saying we unlikely to win another game due to losing Okpara, with us up 24-11 at this point, are you holding to that or care to make any revisions?
I agree this is nearly a must win game
But not due to quad wins
But more because if we are to have good season and hope to make any post season play we need to win most our home ACC games
Because away ACC games very hard to win
Pippen Jr just put Kal back in the game
Please google “woofing gods”…
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - Card10Fan - 01-24-2026
Seriously chants of California reigning down in Maples. Team needs to wake up and get out of this funk. Okorie sat quit a bit and is very out of rhythm. Stanford bench players need more help from the starters! Hoping Okorie gets hot in the 2nd half.
RE: MBB: Stanford vs. Cal, 5PM, ACCN - burger - 01-24-2026
(01-24-2026, 07:02 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Looks to me like Cal has moved their defense out and is picking Stanford up earlier in the possession. That seems to have messed up Stanford‘s passing.
(01-24-2026, 06:53 PM)burger Wrote: I'm pretty sure that Madsen's assistant coach is Noho Hank from Barry.Barry?
It's a tv show.
RE: 76lsjumb - TonyLima - 01-24-2026
76lsjumb dateline='[url=tel:1769306679' Wrote: 1769306679[/url]']For woof gods info, click here
SkiBum80 dateline='[url=tel:1769305171' Wrote: 1769305171[/url]']
I’ve been watching the game.
And just now read this thread.
For the folks saying we unlikely to win another game due to losing Okpara, with us up 24-11 at this point, are you holding to that or care to make any revisions?
I agree this is nearly a must win game
But not due to quad wins
But more because if we are to have good season and hope to make any post season play we need to win most our home ACC games
Because away ACC games very hard to win
Pippen Jr just put Kal back in the game
Please google “woofing gods”…
burger dateline='[url=tel:1769307227' Wrote: 1769307227[/url]']Ah. We cut the cord 25 years ago. Hence my ignorance. Thanks.
TonyLima dateline='[url=tel:1769306553' Wrote: 1769306553[/url]']
Looks to me like Cal has moved their defense out and is picking Stanford up earlier in the possession. That seems to have messed up Stanford‘s passing.
burger dateline='[url=tel:1769306011' Wrote: 1769306011[/url]']Barry?
I'm pretty sure that Madsen's assistant coach is Noho Hank from Barry.
It's a tv show.
RE: SkiBum80 - BostonCard - 01-24-2026
SkiBum80 dateline='[url=tel:1769305171' Wrote: 1769305171[/url]']
For the folks saying we unlikely to win another game due to losing Okpara, with us up 24-11 at this point, are you holding to that or care to make any revisions?
Since this sentence was typed, Cal has outscored Stanford 35-12.
BC
SkiBum80 - SkiBum80 - 01-24-2026
I heard woofing gods gave us a pass when ALuck in the house ?
Rohosy had a 6 inch layup
Unfortunately only shot it 4 inches
RE: SkiBum80 - TonyLima - 01-24-2026
(01-24-2026, 07:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote:The woof gods do not mess around.SkiBum80 dateline='[url=tel:1769305171' Wrote: 1769305171[/url]']
For the folks saying we unlikely to win another game due to losing Okpara, with us up 24-11 at this point, are you holding to that or care to make any revisions?
Since this sentence was typed, Cal has outscored Stanford 35-12.
BC
(01-24-2026, 07:22 PM)SkiBum80 Wrote: I heard woofing gods gave us a pass when ALuck in the house ?The woof gods are relentless and unforgiving.
Rohosy had a 6 inch layup
Unfortunately only shot it 4 inches
For all this talk about woofing, losing your second leading scorer is likely more significant.