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Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - JohnR34231 - 08-05-2013

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daYfx?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football

Not sure anything good is going to come of this, and if I were Ben's Dad (not to mention David Shaw) I'd strongly suggest he keep his opinions to himself on this issue.

What does everyone else think?

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - stan01 - 08-05-2013

He's not the only one:

"Sam Schwartzstein ‏@SamHaammer
@BennyG49 but in order for the NCAA to be a tax exempt organization Johnny can't profit on himself. The people not playing get to."

Of course, Sam is no longer an active player.

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - AlbanyCardinal - 08-06-2013

(08-05-2013, 11:32 PM)JPRI link Wrote:What does everyone else think?

I'm fine with players engaging this topic and joining the discussion. This issue merits a conversation, and the players have every right, seems to me, to participate in it.

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - oman - 08-06-2013

(08-05-2013, 11:32 PM)JPRI link Wrote:What does everyone else think?

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[Courtesy of another board].

1) Agree it is topical and Ben should feel free to opine.

2) Not sure JM is the guy who is the best poster child for the issue but its a more interesting discussion because of him.

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - JohnR34231 - 08-06-2013

Everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I have to think the idea of Stanford players hanging out on Quad (or the internet or wherever) peddling autographs and memorabilia to the highest bidder is a little unsavory and not what Stanford athletics is supposed to be about.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned though.

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - Kathy - 08-06-2013

The players should be free to express their opinions, and coaches should not muzzle them unless they're blabbing about team business (which they're not, in this instance). Perhaps this is a good time for coaches to review the multitude of NCAA rules, though.

This reminds me of the Ohio State incident — free tats for signed jerseys, wasn't it? That didn't turn out so well for those players, as I recall.


Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - yvonne - 08-06-2013

It's possible that nothing happens. The sources who have spoken up about Manziel saw him sign autographs, but did not see an exchange of money. If no one decides to give evidence, and if Manziel was paid in cash, the NCAA won't be able to do a thing.

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - JohnR34231 - 08-06-2013

(08-06-2013, 07:45 AM)garvin link Wrote:I agree with you, JPRI. But I don't see how Shaw or anybody else could tell these guys they aren't allowed to have an opinion, or to express it. It's not like they're disclosing private team business.

Hey, you're right, everyone should be able to express their opinions. I guess I was just a little shocked Stanford athletes would feel this way.

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - 82lsju - 08-06-2013

given the typical pace of NCAA investigations (see for example Cam Newton) I'd be surprised if it is wrapped up before Jan 8, 2014, unless of course A&M losses 2 or 3 early season games.......

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - 97fan - 08-06-2013

(08-06-2013, 08:27 AM)JPRI link Wrote:[quote author=garvin link=topic=8191.msg65272#msg65272 date=1375800305]
I agree with you, JPRI. But I don't see how Shaw or anybody else could tell these guys they aren't allowed to have an opinion, or to express it. It's not like they're disclosing private team business.

Hey, you're right, everyone should be able to express their opinions. I guess I was just a little shocked Stanford athletes would feel this way.
[/quote]

Seems like a perfectly sensible belief for a Stanford athlete to hold. Stanford athletes should be smart enough to realize that: a) they're cogs in an enormously lucrative business; and b) many of athletes at schools that don't take academics as seriously as Stanford are being used and then essentially discarded without any meaningful compensation.

I would argue that a full ride to Stanford is meaningful compensation, while a full ride to Texas A&M, if you enter without the necessary academic preparation to succeed in the classroom, may not be.


Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - PrinceLightfoot - 08-07-2013

Considering that most of the information we are receiving about this situation is from the memorabilia dealers themselves, it is curious that the info would have been offered in the first place given that this action will hurt future student-athlete revenue for the dealers. This article helps explain how this information could have reached ESPN OTL reporters.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/bruce-feldman/23055431/did-rift-with-memorabilia-dealers-fuel-manziel-controversy

Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - washingtonismoney - 08-07-2013

(08-07-2013, 01:27 PM)PrinceLightfoot link Wrote:Considering that most of the information we are receiving about this situation is from the memorabilia dealers themselves, it is curious that the info would have been offered in the first place given that this action will hurt future student-athlete revenue for the dealers.

Why blab? Basically someone didn't get paid.

Wonder if Manziel followed the three rules of cheating, which are:

A) always get paid cash
B) always use a disposable burner phone.
c) ALWAYS GET PAID IN CASH.



Re: Ben Gardner supporting Johnny Manziel - Bruce Wang - 08-07-2013

(08-07-2013, 01:34 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:B) always use a disposable burner phone.

???  Does this explain Andrew Luck's phone?!?!  :P