[OutsiderFan]

So given Shaw has 3 COY plaques in five seasons and is close to his 3rd Pac-12 trophy in five seasons...

What is he paid now annually? 
Does he deserve more?
How much will Stanford pay to keep Shaw at market rate as a coach with a Top 10 winning percentage?

And a follow-up to that is does compensation also increase for assistants, especially coordinators, when the program is performing so well?

[OutsiderFan]

So given Shaw has 3 COY plaques in five seasons and is close to his 3rd Pac-12 trophy in five seasons...

What is he paid now annually? 
Does he deserve more?
How much will Stanford pay to keep Shaw at market rate as a coach with a Top 10 winning percentage?

And a follow-up to that is does compensation also increase for assistants, especially coordinators, when the program is performing so well?

[stupac2]

The estimates I've seen put him at $3.2M, which was low compared to his peers. But as far as I know that number is just a wild-ass guess.

We don't typically hire coordinators very often, but given that we managed to land Akina I would assume that we pay them fairly well, and I think they get some other benefits, like on-campus housing.

[stupac2]

The estimates I've seen put him at $3.2M, which was low compared to his peers. But as far as I know that number is just a wild-ass guess.

We don't typically hire coordinators very often, but given that we managed to land Akina I would assume that we pay them fairly well, and I think they get some other benefits, like on-campus housing.

[amartinsu13]

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

This seems to think he makes 3.2M, not sure what the source is.

It seems about average for a top head coach.  Not Nick Saban 7M+ level, but right around Dabo Swinney 3.4M.

[amartinsu13]

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

This seems to think he makes 3.2M, not sure what the source is.

It seems about average for a top head coach.  Not Nick Saban 7M+ level, but right around Dabo Swinney 3.4M.

[terry]

Stanford isn't subject to the same disclosure requirements as public schools, so it's harder to get coaches' salary data.

IRS non-profit rules require non-profits to disclose the compensation of officers, directors, trustees, key employees, and the five other highest compensated employees. At Stanford, the five other highest compensated employees are mostly doctors at the medical center.

For years, Stanford kept the salaries of its coaches at a level that would keep the coaches off the IRS disclosure list. That finally changed a few years ago. Apparently the Trustees finally realized that there's no shame in paying free market rates for coaches as well as doctors.

Stanford's Form 990 for the year ended August 31, 2014, says David Shaw's compensation was $2,224,435. That would have reflected his compensation for the 2013 season. We are two seasons farther down the road now, so he could be making more now.

[terry]

Stanford isn't subject to the same disclosure requirements as public schools, so it's harder to get coaches' salary data.

IRS non-profit rules require non-profits to disclose the compensation of officers, directors, trustees, key employees, and the five other highest compensated employees. At Stanford, the five other highest compensated employees are mostly doctors at the medical center.

For years, Stanford kept the salaries of its coaches at a level that would keep the coaches off the IRS disclosure list. That finally changed a few years ago. Apparently the Trustees finally realized that there's no shame in paying free market rates for coaches as well as doctors.

Stanford's Form 990 for the year ended August 31, 2014, says David Shaw's compensation was $2,224,435. That would have reflected his compensation for the 2013 season. We are two seasons farther down the road now, so he could be making more now.

[BobK]

I don't think that's true Glenn.  Terry what do you think or know ?

[BobK]

I don't think that's true Glenn.  Terry what do you think or know ?

[82lsju]

I don't think that's true Glenn.  Terry what do you think or know ?

from the form 990 (I'm rounding the numbers off)

http://bondholder-information.stanford.e...0_FY14.pdf

Shaw's total comp, as Terry reported earlier, of $2.2m (Johnny Dawkins made almost $1.8m and John Hennessy just over $1.1m) for the year ending 31 Aug 2014

* Reportable compensation from the organization  $1.7m
    + base compensation $1.6m
    + bonus or incentive compensation $0.1m
    + other reportable compensation $0.06m

* Estimated amount of other compensation from the organization and related organizations  $0.5m
    + Retirement and other deferred compensation $0.475m
    + nontaxable benefits $0.03m

in addition to the compensation above the form 990 calls out

* taxable housing benefit $0.7m

which appears to be a home loan (probably at below market rate)

so I don't think the $2.2m includes money from other activities in the list that Glenn listed

[82lsju]

I don't think that's true Glenn.  Terry what do you think or know ?

from the form 990 (I'm rounding the numbers off)

http://bondholder-information.stanford.e...0_FY14.pdf

Shaw's total comp, as Terry reported earlier, of $2.2m (Johnny Dawkins made almost $1.8m and John Hennessy just over $1.1m) for the year ending 31 Aug 2014

* Reportable compensation from the organization  $1.7m
    + base compensation $1.6m
    + bonus or incentive compensation $0.1m
    + other reportable compensation $0.06m

* Estimated amount of other compensation from the organization and related organizations  $0.5m
    + Retirement and other deferred compensation $0.475m
    + nontaxable benefits $0.03m

in addition to the compensation above the form 990 calls out

* taxable housing benefit $0.7m

which appears to be a home loan (probably at below market rate)

so I don't think the $2.2m includes money from other activities in the list that Glenn listed

[socalstanfan1]

If Shaw is making only $2.2 mil.  then he is pretty grossly underpaid, given his record of success, and the compensation of other top coaches.  Add in the fact that he is probably the absolutely perfect fit for Stanford (as Ferrari noted on another thread), and he is should command more than that.

[socalstanfan1]

If Shaw is making only $2.2 mil.  then he is pretty grossly underpaid, given his record of success, and the compensation of other top coaches.  Add in the fact that he is probably the absolutely perfect fit for Stanford (as Ferrari noted on another thread), and he is should command more than that.

[Mick]

I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

[Mick]

I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

[Rally]

I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

VR?

[Rally]

I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

VR?

[Farm93]

I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

Coach Shaw is likely getting a healthy chunk of money from a variety of sources.  However, I would guess your average big program State U coach likely gets more from those same type of sources.  Shaw could have an equity stake in a few Stanford sports related start-ups, so that could help.

I am more amazed by JD's $1.8.  Stanford might pay Coach Shaw less per win than JD this academic year.

[Farm93]

I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

Coach Shaw is likely getting a healthy chunk of money from a variety of sources.  However, I would guess your average big program State U coach likely gets more from those same type of sources.  Shaw could have an equity stake in a few Stanford sports related start-ups, so that could help.

I am more amazed by JD's $1.8.  Stanford might pay Coach Shaw less per win than JD this academic year.

[Rally]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=13865.msg145347#msg145347 date=1449099439]
I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

Coach Shaw is likely getting a healthy chunk of money from a variety of sources.  However, I would guess your average big program State U coach likely gets more from those same type of sources.  Shaw could have an equity stake in a few Stanford sports related start-ups, so that could help.

I am more amazed by JD's $1.8.  Stanford might pay Coach Shaw less per win than JD this academic year.
[/quote]

There comes a point in life, for most people paying attention, where you find yourself comfortable and happy, making more than enough to insure your family's future, and don't want more.  I have no idea, of course, but I suspect the only thing that could move Shaw is, after two or three national championships at Stanford, he felt the pull of a higher challenge.  That might be a Super Bowl.  Or it might be becoming a Buddhist Monk.  But I don't think it's money.  If it were, with the jobs now open, he would have put himself out there and doubled or tripled his current salary.

[Rally]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=13865.msg145347#msg145347 date=1449099439]
I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

Coach Shaw is likely getting a healthy chunk of money from a variety of sources.  However, I would guess your average big program State U coach likely gets more from those same type of sources.  Shaw could have an equity stake in a few Stanford sports related start-ups, so that could help.

I am more amazed by JD's $1.8.  Stanford might pay Coach Shaw less per win than JD this academic year.
[/quote]

There comes a point in life, for most people paying attention, where you find yourself comfortable and happy, making more than enough to insure your family's future, and don't want more.  I have no idea, of course, but I suspect the only thing that could move Shaw is, after two or three national championships at Stanford, he felt the pull of a higher challenge.  That might be a Super Bowl.  Or it might be becoming a Buddhist Monk.  But I don't think it's money.  If it were, with the jobs now open, he would have put himself out there and doubled or tripled his current salary.

[Mick]

[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=13865.msg145361#msg145361 date=1449100615]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=13865.msg145347#msg145347 date=1449099439]
I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

Coach Shaw is likely getting a healthy chunk of money from a variety of sources.  However, I would guess your average big program State U coach likely gets more from those same type of sources.  Shaw could have an equity stake in a few Stanford sports related start-ups, so that could help.

I am more amazed by JD's $1.8.  Stanford might pay Coach Shaw less per win than JD this academic year.
[/quote]

There comes a point in life, for most people paying attention, where you find yourself comfortable and happy, making more than enough to insure your family's future, and don't want more.  I have no idea, of course, but I suspect the only thing that could move Shaw is, after two or three national championships at Stanford, he felt the pull of a higher challenge.  That might be a Super Bowl.  Or it might be becoming a Buddhist Monk.  But I don't think it's money.  If it were, with the jobs now open, he would have put himself out there and doubled or tripled his current salary.
[/quote]

I'd say he's waiting for Jim Tomsula to self-immolate, but that's already happened.  Once Jed York recognizes that there's a corpse inhabiting his head coach's office, I'm guessing he reaches out to Shaw.  Shaw, being a smart Stanford fella, will hopefully reject Jed, Baalke and Paraag with all due speed.

[Mick]

[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=13865.msg145361#msg145361 date=1449100615]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=13865.msg145347#msg145347 date=1449099439]
I wonder if, on top of his income, Shaw is afforded a preferred position in certain investments which would be both lucrative and highly unlikely at other schools.  The 990 only references Stanford income, not all of Shaw's income.  Just wondering aloud.

Coach Shaw is likely getting a healthy chunk of money from a variety of sources.  However, I would guess your average big program State U coach likely gets more from those same type of sources.  Shaw could have an equity stake in a few Stanford sports related start-ups, so that could help.

I am more amazed by JD's $1.8.  Stanford might pay Coach Shaw less per win than JD this academic year.
[/quote]

There comes a point in life, for most people paying attention, where you find yourself comfortable and happy, making more than enough to insure your family's future, and don't want more.  I have no idea, of course, but I suspect the only thing that could move Shaw is, after two or three national championships at Stanford, he felt the pull of a higher challenge.  That might be a Super Bowl.  Or it might be becoming a Buddhist Monk.  But I don't think it's money.  If it were, with the jobs now open, he would have put himself out there and doubled or tripled his current salary.
[/quote]

I'd say he's waiting for Jim Tomsula to self-immolate, but that's already happened.  Once Jed York recognizes that there's a corpse inhabiting his head coach's office, I'm guessing he reaches out to Shaw.  Shaw, being a smart Stanford fella, will hopefully reject Jed, Baalke and Paraag with all due speed.

[terry]

If Shaw is making only $2.2 mil.  then he is pretty grossly underpaid

Remember, that figure is for the year covering the 2013 season. His current compensation may be more.

[terry]

If Shaw is making only $2.2 mil.  then he is pretty grossly underpaid

Remember, that figure is for the year covering the 2013 season. His current compensation may be more.

[winflop]

Johnny Dawkins and $1.8M should not be used in the same sentence.  SMH

[winflop]

Johnny Dawkins and $1.8M should not be used in the same sentence.  SMH

[OutsiderFan]

My assumption has been Shaw's reported salary on the 990 doesn't reflect his total compensation for being the Bradford M. Freeman Director of Football per se.  I've assumed there is compensation from other sources related, but not legally tied to Stanford, but I have no idea of the specifics.  The sources might be loans, annuities, equity stakes in valuable assets, and more.  And I do think because of Stanford's nature and culture that Shaw has the potential to be compensated in more creative ways than say a Nick Saban or Bob Stoops, for example.

But aside from what the compensation is for Shaw, the greater question is whether or not Stanford, after having so much football success, is prepared to continue paying market rate:

a. To keep Shaw?
b. Have a top-shelf coaching staff no matter who the head coach is?

[OutsiderFan]

My assumption has been Shaw's reported salary on the 990 doesn't reflect his total compensation for being the Bradford M. Freeman Director of Football per se.  I've assumed there is compensation from other sources related, but not legally tied to Stanford, but I have no idea of the specifics.  The sources might be loans, annuities, equity stakes in valuable assets, and more.  And I do think because of Stanford's nature and culture that Shaw has the potential to be compensated in more creative ways than say a Nick Saban or Bob Stoops, for example.

But aside from what the compensation is for Shaw, the greater question is whether or not Stanford, after having so much football success, is prepared to continue paying market rate:

a. To keep Shaw?
b. Have a top-shelf coaching staff no matter who the head coach is?

[Rally]

My assumption has been Shaw's reported salary on the 990 doesn't reflect his total compensation for being the Bradford M. Freeman Director of Football per se.  I've assumed there is compensation from other sources related, but not legally tied to Stanford, but I have no idea of the specifics.  The sources might be loans, annuities, equity stakes in valuable assets, and more.  And I do think because of Stanford's nature and culture that Shaw has the potential to be compensated in more creative ways than say a Nick Saban or Bob Stoops, for example.

But aside from what the compensation is for Shaw, the greater question is whether or not Stanford, after having so much football success, is prepared to continue paying market rate:

a. To keep Shaw?
b. Have a top-shelf coaching staff no matter who the head coach is?

The staff question is interesting.  Some coordinators are making well over $1MM per.

[Rally]

My assumption has been Shaw's reported salary on the 990 doesn't reflect his total compensation for being the Bradford M. Freeman Director of Football per se.  I've assumed there is compensation from other sources related, but not legally tied to Stanford, but I have no idea of the specifics.  The sources might be loans, annuities, equity stakes in valuable assets, and more.  And I do think because of Stanford's nature and culture that Shaw has the potential to be compensated in more creative ways than say a Nick Saban or Bob Stoops, for example.

But aside from what the compensation is for Shaw, the greater question is whether or not Stanford, after having so much football success, is prepared to continue paying market rate:

a. To keep Shaw?
b. Have a top-shelf coaching staff no matter who the head coach is?

The staff question is interesting.  Some coordinators are making well over $1MM per.

[teejers1]

Q.  What's a "thick envelope" worth? 
A.  A lot. 

And I suspect the likelihood of kids getting one decreases should Shaw move on . . . he gets it.
And that's good for all of us fans.

[teejers1]

Q.  What's a "thick envelope" worth? 
A.  A lot. 

And I suspect the likelihood of kids getting one decreases should Shaw move on . . . he gets it.
And that's good for all of us fans.

[82lsju]

Q.  What's a "thick envelope" worth? 
A.  A lot. 

And I suspect the likelihood of kids getting one decreases should Shaw move on . . . he gets it.
And that's good for all of us fans.

that would be some long range planning as his kids are now about 13, 11, and 6 (at least based on this article from Jan 2011 http://www.wwuvikings.com/sports/m-footb...11aaa.html )

[82lsju]

Q.  What's a "thick envelope" worth? 
A.  A lot. 

And I suspect the likelihood of kids getting one decreases should Shaw move on . . . he gets it.
And that's good for all of us fans.

that would be some long range planning as his kids are now about 13, 11, and 6 (at least based on this article from Jan 2011 http://www.wwuvikings.com/sports/m-footb...11aaa.html )

[OutsiderFan]

Wondering if anyone can answer my last question at top of this page before this thread gets pushed out of sight...

[OutsiderFan]

Wondering if anyone can answer my last question at top of this page before this thread gets pushed out of sight...

[JJJ]

I have only one piece of anecdotal evidence (hearsay to boot, so take with large grains of salt please) that the position coach pay is not what a prior school paid, but the housing (within golf-cart driving distance) goes a long way towards making living in the Bay Area feasible. Sounds to me like we're not quite paying market rate for all coaches, but at least providing perks.

[JJJ]

I have only one piece of anecdotal evidence (hearsay to boot, so take with large grains of salt please) that the position coach pay is not what a prior school paid, but the housing (within golf-cart driving distance) goes a long way towards making living in the Bay Area feasible. Sounds to me like we're not quite paying market rate for all coaches, but at least providing perks.