It's a small Stanford contingent in Austin today, and it's an even smaller long-range shooting percentage for the Cardinal as they trail Texas by 6. Texas has a size advantage, and they're using sort of decently. Stanford has taken a number of empty 3-pt attempts and questionable long twos that didn't pan out. Maybe that's the look Tara is going for?Â
WBB: Texas 77 Stanford 69
It's a small Stanford contingent in Austin today, and it's an even smaller long-range shooting percentage for the Cardinal as they trail Texas by 6. Texas has a size advantage, and they're using sort of decently. Stanford has taken a number of empty 3-pt attempts and questionable long twos that didn't pan out. Maybe that's the look Tara is going for?Â
12-13-2015, 11:46 AM
Overall
We kept up with a very good Texas team for most of the game, but could not overcome their tenacious defense and superior rebounding. We made several youthful mistakes in the end that cost us our last chance.
First Half Impressions:
Tara started Kailee instead of Kaylee. Texas is dominant with rebounding, 24-11 so far at the half. Erica is basically our only rebounder. Our threes are not dropping except for McPhee, who hit 2 in a row or we would be in even worse shape. Texas looks far from invincible, though, if we can somehow just get average rebounding and shooting in the second half. Bri and Lili have been very cold. Texas is shooting 50%, including a number of layups that should have been defended off of inbounds and unguarded guard penetration, so there is room for defensive improvement too. But somehow, despite our awful rebounding, poor shooting, and defensive lapses, we are down only 7.
Second Half
The Texas defense was very solid. We seldom got open three point shots except off of transitions. Fortunately, we improved our rebounding considerably in the second half and repeatedly cut the lead to 4 (and twice to 2), but never any closer than that. Late in the fourth quarter we had cut the lead and had momentum, but then several offensive fouls gave it all back. Even so, we had a chance within the last couple of minutes but could not rebound a missed free throw.Â
Performances
I am positively worried about Kaylee Johnson. She was the key to much of our success last year--a veritable rebounding machine. Kailee is simply not the rebounder that Kaylee is. But Kaylee's minutes dwindled, and now she did not start, and her minutes today were very limited. There is something wrong--if ever we needed a second rebounder to help McCall this was the day.
Kailee played most of the game and came up with 3 rebounds and 4 points.
McCall was solid, with 14 points and 13 rebounds. She simply needed some help--she worked hard for those points. Those strange fouls in the second half--Erica fouled out ultimately after not fouling at all in the first half. Odd. Her 5 blocks were critical.
Bri was not at her best. Her defense was not as frenetic as I have seen it and she picked up 4 fouls--not sure if one or two were deliberate at the end. And her shooting was off, just 3/8, and 1/5 from three. Credit Texas--they defended the threes in the half court very well.
Lili led with 21 points and 6 assists. But she was only 1/6 from three point range. Tara made her point guard when the action got tough in the second half.
Karlie was 2/4 from three point range. She has seemed solid this year, but I am still waiting for her to become a more potent offensive weapon. Why only four shots?
McPhee had a great game. In fact, she was the main reason we had some hope. She was 4/4 from three point range. Unfortunately, she was 0/5 from two point range--just the opposite of her normal game.
Summary
As a team, we evened out the shooting in the second half so both teams shot 42% for the game. Turnovers were even. We lost this game based upon woeful rebounding in the first half, that gave Texas a lead that they never relinquished. We played pretty even in the second half. We need Kaylee to get back to her freshman form, or someone else to become a rebounder extraordinaire, to help Erica.
We kept up with a very good Texas team for most of the game, but could not overcome their tenacious defense and superior rebounding. We made several youthful mistakes in the end that cost us our last chance.
First Half Impressions:
Tara started Kailee instead of Kaylee. Texas is dominant with rebounding, 24-11 so far at the half. Erica is basically our only rebounder. Our threes are not dropping except for McPhee, who hit 2 in a row or we would be in even worse shape. Texas looks far from invincible, though, if we can somehow just get average rebounding and shooting in the second half. Bri and Lili have been very cold. Texas is shooting 50%, including a number of layups that should have been defended off of inbounds and unguarded guard penetration, so there is room for defensive improvement too. But somehow, despite our awful rebounding, poor shooting, and defensive lapses, we are down only 7.
Second Half
The Texas defense was very solid. We seldom got open three point shots except off of transitions. Fortunately, we improved our rebounding considerably in the second half and repeatedly cut the lead to 4 (and twice to 2), but never any closer than that. Late in the fourth quarter we had cut the lead and had momentum, but then several offensive fouls gave it all back. Even so, we had a chance within the last couple of minutes but could not rebound a missed free throw.Â
Performances
I am positively worried about Kaylee Johnson. She was the key to much of our success last year--a veritable rebounding machine. Kailee is simply not the rebounder that Kaylee is. But Kaylee's minutes dwindled, and now she did not start, and her minutes today were very limited. There is something wrong--if ever we needed a second rebounder to help McCall this was the day.
Kailee played most of the game and came up with 3 rebounds and 4 points.
McCall was solid, with 14 points and 13 rebounds. She simply needed some help--she worked hard for those points. Those strange fouls in the second half--Erica fouled out ultimately after not fouling at all in the first half. Odd. Her 5 blocks were critical.
Bri was not at her best. Her defense was not as frenetic as I have seen it and she picked up 4 fouls--not sure if one or two were deliberate at the end. And her shooting was off, just 3/8, and 1/5 from three. Credit Texas--they defended the threes in the half court very well.
Lili led with 21 points and 6 assists. But she was only 1/6 from three point range. Tara made her point guard when the action got tough in the second half.
Karlie was 2/4 from three point range. She has seemed solid this year, but I am still waiting for her to become a more potent offensive weapon. Why only four shots?
McPhee had a great game. In fact, she was the main reason we had some hope. She was 4/4 from three point range. Unfortunately, she was 0/5 from two point range--just the opposite of her normal game.
Summary
As a team, we evened out the shooting in the second half so both teams shot 42% for the game. Turnovers were even. We lost this game based upon woeful rebounding in the first half, that gave Texas a lead that they never relinquished. We played pretty even in the second half. We need Kaylee to get back to her freshman form, or someone else to become a rebounder extraordinaire, to help Erica.
Overall
We kept up with a very good Texas team for most of the game, but could not overcome their tenacious defense and superior rebounding. We made several youthful mistakes in the end that cost us our last chance.
First Half Impressions:
Tara started Kailee instead of Kaylee. Texas is dominant with rebounding, 24-11 so far at the half. Erica is basically our only rebounder. Our threes are not dropping except for McPhee, who hit 2 in a row or we would be in even worse shape. Texas looks far from invincible, though, if we can somehow just get average rebounding and shooting in the second half. Bri and Lili have been very cold. Texas is shooting 50%, including a number of layups that should have been defended off of inbounds and unguarded guard penetration, so there is room for defensive improvement too. But somehow, despite our awful rebounding, poor shooting, and defensive lapses, we are down only 7.
Second Half
The Texas defense was very solid. We seldom got open three point shots except off of transitions. Fortunately, we improved our rebounding considerably in the second half and repeatedly cut the lead to 4 (and twice to 2), but never any closer than that. Late in the fourth quarter we had cut the lead and had momentum, but then several offensive fouls gave it all back. Even so, we had a chance within the last couple of minutes but could not rebound a missed free throw.Â
Performances
I am positively worried about Kaylee Johnson. She was the key to much of our success last year--a veritable rebounding machine. Kailee is simply not the rebounder that Kaylee is. But Kaylee's minutes dwindled, and now she did not start, and her minutes today were very limited. There is something wrong--if ever we needed a second rebounder to help McCall this was the day.
Kailee played most of the game and came up with 3 rebounds and 4 points.
McCall was solid, with 14 points and 13 rebounds. She simply needed some help--she worked hard for those points. Those strange fouls in the second half--Erica fouled out ultimately after not fouling at all in the first half. Odd. Her 5 blocks were critical.
Bri was not at her best. Her defense was not as frenetic as I have seen it and she picked up 4 fouls--not sure if one or two were deliberate at the end. And her shooting was off, just 3/8, and 1/5 from three. Credit Texas--they defended the threes in the half court very well.
Lili led with 21 points and 6 assists. But she was only 1/6 from three point range. Tara made her point guard when the action got tough in the second half.
Karlie was 2/4 from three point range. She has seemed solid this year, but I am still waiting for her to become a more potent offensive weapon. Why only four shots?
McPhee had a great game. In fact, she was the main reason we had some hope. She was 4/4 from three point range. Unfortunately, she was 0/5 from two point range--just the opposite of her normal game.
Summary
As a team, we evened out the shooting in the second half so both teams shot 42% for the game. Turnovers were even. We lost this game based upon woeful rebounding in the first half, that gave Texas a lead that they never relinquished. We played pretty even in the second half. We need Kaylee to get back to her freshman form, or someone else to become a rebounder extraordinaire, to help Erica.
We kept up with a very good Texas team for most of the game, but could not overcome their tenacious defense and superior rebounding. We made several youthful mistakes in the end that cost us our last chance.
First Half Impressions:
Tara started Kailee instead of Kaylee. Texas is dominant with rebounding, 24-11 so far at the half. Erica is basically our only rebounder. Our threes are not dropping except for McPhee, who hit 2 in a row or we would be in even worse shape. Texas looks far from invincible, though, if we can somehow just get average rebounding and shooting in the second half. Bri and Lili have been very cold. Texas is shooting 50%, including a number of layups that should have been defended off of inbounds and unguarded guard penetration, so there is room for defensive improvement too. But somehow, despite our awful rebounding, poor shooting, and defensive lapses, we are down only 7.
Second Half
The Texas defense was very solid. We seldom got open three point shots except off of transitions. Fortunately, we improved our rebounding considerably in the second half and repeatedly cut the lead to 4 (and twice to 2), but never any closer than that. Late in the fourth quarter we had cut the lead and had momentum, but then several offensive fouls gave it all back. Even so, we had a chance within the last couple of minutes but could not rebound a missed free throw.Â
Performances
I am positively worried about Kaylee Johnson. She was the key to much of our success last year--a veritable rebounding machine. Kailee is simply not the rebounder that Kaylee is. But Kaylee's minutes dwindled, and now she did not start, and her minutes today were very limited. There is something wrong--if ever we needed a second rebounder to help McCall this was the day.
Kailee played most of the game and came up with 3 rebounds and 4 points.
McCall was solid, with 14 points and 13 rebounds. She simply needed some help--she worked hard for those points. Those strange fouls in the second half--Erica fouled out ultimately after not fouling at all in the first half. Odd. Her 5 blocks were critical.
Bri was not at her best. Her defense was not as frenetic as I have seen it and she picked up 4 fouls--not sure if one or two were deliberate at the end. And her shooting was off, just 3/8, and 1/5 from three. Credit Texas--they defended the threes in the half court very well.
Lili led with 21 points and 6 assists. But she was only 1/6 from three point range. Tara made her point guard when the action got tough in the second half.
Karlie was 2/4 from three point range. She has seemed solid this year, but I am still waiting for her to become a more potent offensive weapon. Why only four shots?
McPhee had a great game. In fact, she was the main reason we had some hope. She was 4/4 from three point range. Unfortunately, she was 0/5 from two point range--just the opposite of her normal game.
Summary
As a team, we evened out the shooting in the second half so both teams shot 42% for the game. Turnovers were even. We lost this game based upon woeful rebounding in the first half, that gave Texas a lead that they never relinquished. We played pretty even in the second half. We need Kaylee to get back to her freshman form, or someone else to become a rebounder extraordinaire, to help Erica.
12-13-2015, 11:58 AM
We're getting out boarded 24-11 and also shooting 27% from 3-pt range. Texas is shooting 50%, so yeah, that's what Stanford is up against at the moment. After seeing Roberson go 0-4 from deep, I'm not sure she should be allowed to take anything other than lay ups :p Sigh. They're only down seven against a big Texas team, but Stanford seems stymied if their first read doesn't happen, and they're passing and shooting from deep as a result. Someone watching TV replays can give a better idea of what's going on--I didn't get much sleep last night :)
We're getting out boarded 24-11 and also shooting 27% from 3-pt range. Texas is shooting 50%, so yeah, that's what Stanford is up against at the moment. After seeing Roberson go 0-4 from deep, I'm not sure she should be allowed to take anything other than lay ups :p Sigh. They're only down seven against a big Texas team, but Stanford seems stymied if their first read doesn't happen, and they're passing and shooting from deep as a result. Someone watching TV replays can give a better idea of what's going on--I didn't get much sleep last night :)
12-13-2015, 01:10 PM
Stanford definitely picked it up in the second half, but Texas did just enough to hang on. One thing that stood out to me was the hesitant passes--not crisp at all, as if the players were afraid of the ball and the responsibility that comes with it. The offensive rebound after Roberson's third FT at the end of the game said it all: someone grabbed the board for us near the middle of the key and whipped it inside to Kailee under the basket, who watched it sail out. Siiiigh.
Stanford definitely picked it up in the second half, but Texas did just enough to hang on. One thing that stood out to me was the hesitant passes--not crisp at all, as if the players were afraid of the ball and the responsibility that comes with it. The offensive rebound after Roberson's third FT at the end of the game said it all: someone grabbed the board for us near the middle of the key and whipped it inside to Kailee under the basket, who watched it sail out. Siiiigh.
12-13-2015, 02:04 PM
I guess the mods Frankensteined our posts :) Or maybe my smartphone didn't refresh correctly in the arena...
Kailee looks tentative. I'd like to see her get stronger and more assertive. It's a wonder that Texas's Imani Boyette didn't destroy Stanford on both ends of the court at 6'7". I don't think Stanford played anyone taller than 6'3".
Kailee looks tentative. I'd like to see her get stronger and more assertive. It's a wonder that Texas's Imani Boyette didn't destroy Stanford on both ends of the court at 6'7". I don't think Stanford played anyone taller than 6'3".
I guess the mods Frankensteined our posts :) Or maybe my smartphone didn't refresh correctly in the arena...
Kailee looks tentative. I'd like to see her get stronger and more assertive. It's a wonder that Texas's Imani Boyette didn't destroy Stanford on both ends of the court at 6'7". I don't think Stanford played anyone taller than 6'3".
Kailee looks tentative. I'd like to see her get stronger and more assertive. It's a wonder that Texas's Imani Boyette didn't destroy Stanford on both ends of the court at 6'7". I don't think Stanford played anyone taller than 6'3".
12-13-2015, 02:26 PM
I figured, thanks!
Fortunately for the rest of the WBK world, Boyette is a senior and is prone to missing layups. Still good at rebounding though. Or perhaps, Stanford was!'t so good at boxing out and rebounding today.
Fortunately for the rest of the WBK world, Boyette is a senior and is prone to missing layups. Still good at rebounding though. Or perhaps, Stanford was!'t so good at boxing out and rebounding today.
12-13-2015, 03:01 PM
Kaylee played 3 minutes. Does anyone have any insight into what is going on with her? Last year she averaged 9.6 rebounds and 6 points. If she does that today, we win this game. I fear some sort of ongoing injury.
12-13-2015, 06:32 PM
No insight for Kaylee but my question for Wednesday's chalk talk
Roberson 5 of 6 from three recently so I'd allow her to shoot ð
I thought we played well didn't hit shots as pointed out but the flow was good.
Rebounding isn't good.Â
Roberson 5 of 6 from three recently so I'd allow her to shoot ð
I thought we played well didn't hit shots as pointed out but the flow was good.
Rebounding isn't good.Â
12-13-2015, 08:24 PM
Rebounding was an interesting facet of the game. Texas had fast, active guards who tracked down rebounds more quickly than Stanford's players (giving up "offensive rebounds" during FTs should be a crime)--and Texas also had a pair of 6'7" and 6'5" centers. No such size for Stanford on the court today. Someone remarked that Tara seemed to be still testing out her roster and seeing what kind of lineups were more effective.Â
81alum pointed out the multiple layups from inbounds and guard penetration. Yup. I'm not sure why Stanford was unable to defend those early on.
I don't know if Texas is really #5 in the nation as their ranking declares, but they're a good team. Great guards, decent size down low (if maddening for the bigs' inability to hit bunnies). The other thing is that the Texas guards were shooting midrange jumpers well, and that surely doesn't always happen throughout a season.
I hope Stanford learns to not be afraid of the ball! More confidence and assertiveness, please :)
81alum pointed out the multiple layups from inbounds and guard penetration. Yup. I'm not sure why Stanford was unable to defend those early on.
I don't know if Texas is really #5 in the nation as their ranking declares, but they're a good team. Great guards, decent size down low (if maddening for the bigs' inability to hit bunnies). The other thing is that the Texas guards were shooting midrange jumpers well, and that surely doesn't always happen throughout a season.
I hope Stanford learns to not be afraid of the ball! More confidence and assertiveness, please :)
Rebounding was an interesting facet of the game. Texas had fast, active guards who tracked down rebounds more quickly than Stanford's players (giving up "offensive rebounds" during FTs should be a crime)--and Texas also had a pair of 6'7" and 6'5" centers. No such size for Stanford on the court today. Someone remarked that Tara seemed to be still testing out her roster and seeing what kind of lineups were more effective.Â
81alum pointed out the multiple layups from inbounds and guard penetration. Yup. I'm not sure why Stanford was unable to defend those early on.
I don't know if Texas is really #5 in the nation as their ranking declares, but they're a good team. Great guards, decent size down low (if maddening for the bigs' inability to hit bunnies). The other thing is that the Texas guards were shooting midrange jumpers well, and that surely doesn't always happen throughout a season.
I hope Stanford learns to not be afraid of the ball! More confidence and assertiveness, please :)
81alum pointed out the multiple layups from inbounds and guard penetration. Yup. I'm not sure why Stanford was unable to defend those early on.
I don't know if Texas is really #5 in the nation as their ranking declares, but they're a good team. Great guards, decent size down low (if maddening for the bigs' inability to hit bunnies). The other thing is that the Texas guards were shooting midrange jumpers well, and that surely doesn't always happen throughout a season.
I hope Stanford learns to not be afraid of the ball! More confidence and assertiveness, please :)
12-13-2015, 08:30 PM
The quotes coming out of Tara's press conference indicate that her initial reaction was to focus on our poor defensive showing. Texas is one of the best defensive teams in the nation, and we managed to get 69 points on them. That should be enough to win if our defense is playing well. We didn't. When we cut the lead to 2 and got momentum going our way, we couldn't get a stop.
The quotes coming out of Tara's press conference indicate that her initial reaction was to focus on our poor defensive showing. Texas is one of the best defensive teams in the nation, and we managed to get 69 points on them. That should be enough to win if our defense is playing well. We didn't. When we cut the lead to 2 and got momentum going our way, we couldn't get a stop.
(12-14-2015, 06:10 AM)garvin link Wrote:I also thought we played extraordinarily poorly during the last two minutes, when the game was still on the line, including some abysmally stupid turnovers and rebounding that was jaw-droppingly poor even by the standards of this game. When you deliberately foul and Texas rewards you by missing both free throws, how on earth do you give up the rebound on the second one? And trailing by six with 10 seconds to go, why dribble in for a layup as Lili Thompson did? (Which she missed anyway.) Your only prayer in that situation is making a three, fouling quickly, and hoping Texas misses both free throws and gives you one last shot.
What I really notice watching these games the last couple of seasons as from the Appel-Ogwumike era is not just the dropoff in talent, but the multiple little mistakes the team makes that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score, like a Kailee Johnson handoff to Lili that gets intercepted by a Texas player, Bri getting pickpocketed just going up the floor late in the game or Alanna grabbing a rebound after a missed Texas free throw attempt, but then throwing it to somebody in the stands.
As a fan and for Tara too I imagine, these mistakes are highly infuriating. We had chances in the game. Texas is a good team and we hung close, but these little things just started adding up and we sabotaged ourselves at any chance to get back in the game.
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(12-14-2015, 06:10 AM)garvin link Wrote:I also thought we played extraordinarily poorly during the last two minutes, when the game was still on the line, including some abysmally stupid turnovers and rebounding that was jaw-droppingly poor even by the standards of this game. When you deliberately foul and Texas rewards you by missing both free throws, how on earth do you give up the rebound on the second one? And trailing by six with 10 seconds to go, why dribble in for a layup as Lili Thompson did? (Which she missed anyway.) Your only prayer in that situation is making a three, fouling quickly, and hoping Texas misses both free throws and gives you one last shot.
What I really notice watching these games the last couple of seasons as from the Appel-Ogwumike era is not just the dropoff in talent, but the multiple little mistakes the team makes that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score, like a Kailee Johnson handoff to Lili that gets intercepted by a Texas player, Bri getting pickpocketed just going up the floor late in the game or Alanna grabbing a rebound after a missed Texas free throw attempt, but then throwing it to somebody in the stands.
As a fan and for Tara too I imagine, these mistakes are highly infuriating. We had chances in the game. Texas is a good team and we hung close, but these little things just started adding up and we sabotaged ourselves at any chance to get back in the game.
12-14-2015, 07:34 AM
(12-14-2015, 06:33 AM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:[quote author=garvin link=topic=14047.msg148078#msg148078 date=1450098641]
I also thought we played extraordinarily poorly during the last two minutes, when the game was still on the line, including some abysmally stupid turnovers and rebounding that was jaw-droppingly poor even by the standards of this game. When you deliberately foul and Texas rewards you by missing both free throws, how on earth do you give up the rebound on the second one? And trailing by six with 10 seconds to go, why dribble in for a layup as Lili Thompson did? (Which she missed anyway.) Your only prayer in that situation is making a three, fouling quickly, and hoping Texas misses both free throws and gives you one last shot.
What I really notice watching these games the last couple of seasons as from the Appel-Ogwumike era is not just the dropoff in talent, but the multiple little mistakes the team makes that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score, like a Kailee Johnson handoff to Lili that gets intercepted by a Texas player, Bri getting pickpocketed just going up the floor late in the game or Alanna grabbing a rebound after a missed Texas free throw attempt, but then throwing it to somebody in the stands.
As a fan and for Tara too I imagine, these mistakes are highly infuriating. We had chances in the game. Texas is a good team and we hung close, but these little things just started adding up and we sabotaged ourselves at any chance to get back in the game.
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Yes, what you and Garvin pointed out about the end of the game, and the several really terrible mistakes, caught my attention. It looked like mental or physical fatigue, and if you watched their faces after they made the mistakes they did seem discouraged and drained. It is almost as if our running style drained us as much as it drained the opposition--we needed more rotation of players or something to sustain us. Worse, we had only a few baskets in transition, so Texas was able to get back into the half court on defense nearly all the time.
However, the good old days were not always so good. We had a terrible time just getting the ball up the court sometimes in the Appel days--the press was our undoing--and there were plenty of terrible turnovers that costs us important games, such as the national championship against Tennessee, or our inability to cope with a really close defense by A&M. There were times when we made mistakes in those games that looked pretty bad. But yesterday, some of our mistakes looked careless, and that is the difference.
I wonder if Texas is as good as Oregon State. We could have another tough Pac-12 season ahead. We could get a benchmark after Tennessee plays us and Oregon State.
(12-14-2015, 06:33 AM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:[quote author=garvin link=topic=14047.msg148078#msg148078 date=1450098641]
I also thought we played extraordinarily poorly during the last two minutes, when the game was still on the line, including some abysmally stupid turnovers and rebounding that was jaw-droppingly poor even by the standards of this game. When you deliberately foul and Texas rewards you by missing both free throws, how on earth do you give up the rebound on the second one? And trailing by six with 10 seconds to go, why dribble in for a layup as Lili Thompson did? (Which she missed anyway.) Your only prayer in that situation is making a three, fouling quickly, and hoping Texas misses both free throws and gives you one last shot.
What I really notice watching these games the last couple of seasons as from the Appel-Ogwumike era is not just the dropoff in talent, but the multiple little mistakes the team makes that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score, like a Kailee Johnson handoff to Lili that gets intercepted by a Texas player, Bri getting pickpocketed just going up the floor late in the game or Alanna grabbing a rebound after a missed Texas free throw attempt, but then throwing it to somebody in the stands.
As a fan and for Tara too I imagine, these mistakes are highly infuriating. We had chances in the game. Texas is a good team and we hung close, but these little things just started adding up and we sabotaged ourselves at any chance to get back in the game.
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Yes, what you and Garvin pointed out about the end of the game, and the several really terrible mistakes, caught my attention. It looked like mental or physical fatigue, and if you watched their faces after they made the mistakes they did seem discouraged and drained. It is almost as if our running style drained us as much as it drained the opposition--we needed more rotation of players or something to sustain us. Worse, we had only a few baskets in transition, so Texas was able to get back into the half court on defense nearly all the time.
However, the good old days were not always so good. We had a terrible time just getting the ball up the court sometimes in the Appel days--the press was our undoing--and there were plenty of terrible turnovers that costs us important games, such as the national championship against Tennessee, or our inability to cope with a really close defense by A&M. There were times when we made mistakes in those games that looked pretty bad. But yesterday, some of our mistakes looked careless, and that is the difference.
I wonder if Texas is as good as Oregon State. We could have another tough Pac-12 season ahead. We could get a benchmark after Tennessee plays us and Oregon State.
12-14-2015, 08:50 AM
could some of the dumb stuff be due to a post-finals, two-week layoff from games, first game back hangover?
12-14-2015, 09:21 AM
(12-14-2015, 08:50 AM)oldalum link Wrote:could some of the dumb stuff be due to a post-finals, two-week layoff from games, first game back hangover?
It's just not been with yesterday's game, but with games over the last couple of seasons. Yesterday was particularly egregious, but it's a pattern I've noticed especially since Chiney graduated.
(12-14-2015, 08:50 AM)oldalum link Wrote:could some of the dumb stuff be due to a post-finals, two-week layoff from games, first game back hangover?
It's just not been with yesterday's game, but with games over the last couple of seasons. Yesterday was particularly egregious, but it's a pattern I've noticed especially since Chiney graduated.
12-14-2015, 09:25 AM
(12-14-2015, 07:34 AM)81alum link Wrote:[quote author=TheFarm07 link=topic=14047.msg148080#msg148080 date=1450100028]
[quote author=garvin link=topic=14047.msg148078#msg148078 date=1450098641]
I also thought we played extraordinarily poorly during the last two minutes, when the game was still on the line, including some abysmally stupid turnovers and rebounding that was jaw-droppingly poor even by the standards of this game. When you deliberately foul and Texas rewards you by missing both free throws, how on earth do you give up the rebound on the second one? And trailing by six with 10 seconds to go, why dribble in for a layup as Lili Thompson did? (Which she missed anyway.) Your only prayer in that situation is making a three, fouling quickly, and hoping Texas misses both free throws and gives you one last shot.
What I really notice watching these games the last couple of seasons as from the Appel-Ogwumike era is not just the dropoff in talent, but the multiple little mistakes the team makes that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score, like a Kailee Johnson handoff to Lili that gets intercepted by a Texas player, Bri getting pickpocketed just going up the floor late in the game or Alanna grabbing a rebound after a missed Texas free throw attempt, but then throwing it to somebody in the stands.
As a fan and for Tara too I imagine, these mistakes are highly infuriating. We had chances in the game. Texas is a good team and we hung close, but these little things just started adding up and we sabotaged ourselves at any chance to get back in the game.
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Yes, what you and Garvin pointed out about the end of the game, and the several really terrible mistakes, caught my attention. It looked like mental or physical fatigue, and if you watched their faces after they made the mistakes they did seem discouraged and drained. It is almost as if our running style drained us as much as it drained the opposition--we needed more rotation of players or something to sustain us. Worse, we had only a few baskets in transition, so Texas was able to get back into the half court on defense nearly all the time.
However, the good old days were not always so good. We had a terrible time just getting the ball up the court sometimes in the Appel days--the press was our undoing--and there were plenty of terrible turnovers that costs us important games, such as the national championship against Tennessee, or our inability to cope with a really close defense by A&M. There were times when we made mistakes in those games that looked pretty bad. But yesterday, some of our mistakes looked careless, and that is the difference.
I wonder if Texas is as good as Oregon State. We could have another tough Pac-12 season ahead. We could get a benchmark after Tennessee plays us and Oregon State.
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Yea, during that period, we weren't exactly mistake-free either, but I guess it's magnified now because we aren't winning most games by 20+ points when it doesn't matter.
If only Amber was a year older and could have played in that game against Texas A&M. When Melanie Murphy fouled out late in the game, we were toast. Pohlen and La Rocque could not handle the quickness of Colston and Carter. If only we had Amber and Lili back then, some of those FFs could have been national championships. Our weakness back then was a mobile, adept ball-handler and as good as Pohlen was as a sharpshooter and scoring threat, we needed a ball general like Amber to complement our bigs.
(12-14-2015, 07:34 AM)81alum link Wrote:[quote author=TheFarm07 link=topic=14047.msg148080#msg148080 date=1450100028]
[quote author=garvin link=topic=14047.msg148078#msg148078 date=1450098641]
I also thought we played extraordinarily poorly during the last two minutes, when the game was still on the line, including some abysmally stupid turnovers and rebounding that was jaw-droppingly poor even by the standards of this game. When you deliberately foul and Texas rewards you by missing both free throws, how on earth do you give up the rebound on the second one? And trailing by six with 10 seconds to go, why dribble in for a layup as Lili Thompson did? (Which she missed anyway.) Your only prayer in that situation is making a three, fouling quickly, and hoping Texas misses both free throws and gives you one last shot.
What I really notice watching these games the last couple of seasons as from the Appel-Ogwumike era is not just the dropoff in talent, but the multiple little mistakes the team makes that doesn't necessarily show up in the box score, like a Kailee Johnson handoff to Lili that gets intercepted by a Texas player, Bri getting pickpocketed just going up the floor late in the game or Alanna grabbing a rebound after a missed Texas free throw attempt, but then throwing it to somebody in the stands.
As a fan and for Tara too I imagine, these mistakes are highly infuriating. We had chances in the game. Texas is a good team and we hung close, but these little things just started adding up and we sabotaged ourselves at any chance to get back in the game.
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Yes, what you and Garvin pointed out about the end of the game, and the several really terrible mistakes, caught my attention. It looked like mental or physical fatigue, and if you watched their faces after they made the mistakes they did seem discouraged and drained. It is almost as if our running style drained us as much as it drained the opposition--we needed more rotation of players or something to sustain us. Worse, we had only a few baskets in transition, so Texas was able to get back into the half court on defense nearly all the time.
However, the good old days were not always so good. We had a terrible time just getting the ball up the court sometimes in the Appel days--the press was our undoing--and there were plenty of terrible turnovers that costs us important games, such as the national championship against Tennessee, or our inability to cope with a really close defense by A&M. There were times when we made mistakes in those games that looked pretty bad. But yesterday, some of our mistakes looked careless, and that is the difference.
I wonder if Texas is as good as Oregon State. We could have another tough Pac-12 season ahead. We could get a benchmark after Tennessee plays us and Oregon State.
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Yea, during that period, we weren't exactly mistake-free either, but I guess it's magnified now because we aren't winning most games by 20+ points when it doesn't matter.
If only Amber was a year older and could have played in that game against Texas A&M. When Melanie Murphy fouled out late in the game, we were toast. Pohlen and La Rocque could not handle the quickness of Colston and Carter. If only we had Amber and Lili back then, some of those FFs could have been national championships. Our weakness back then was a mobile, adept ball-handler and as good as Pohlen was as a sharpshooter and scoring threat, we needed a ball general like Amber to complement our bigs.
12-14-2015, 10:11 AM
Pohlen was playing on a sprained ankle hurt it again late then came out. I think she was our best PG since Azzi/Henning. Â
But still we should have beaten A&M and sitting there Cheering then in dis belief was no fun at all
But still we should have beaten A&M and sitting there Cheering then in dis belief was no fun at all
12-14-2015, 10:29 AM
Of all the many 21st Century WBB players lost to injury, the one I miss most is Ms. Kokenis.
Of all the many 21st Century WBB players lost to injury, the one I miss most is Ms. Kokenis.
12-14-2015, 11:39 AM
What a pleasure to watch and root for Toni Kokenis. I would add Jamie Carey or was she pre 2000?Â
12-14-2015, 12:33 PM
agree with everything especially what if Kokenis had stayed healthy -Â but the game that hurt most in person was the 2012 semi-final against Baylor. Nneka realized too late she could take it to Griner - by then Chiney was in serious foul trouble. Neither Notre Dame nor UConn were super-strong that year (ND won that semi in OT) and we likely would have won the championship if we'd beaten Baylor. IIRC, we in fact were ranked #2 and Baylor #1.
agree with everything especially what if Kokenis had stayed healthy -Â but the game that hurt most in person was the 2012 semi-final against Baylor. Nneka realized too late she could take it to Griner - by then Chiney was in serious foul trouble. Neither Notre Dame nor UConn were super-strong that year (ND won that semi in OT) and we likely would have won the championship if we'd beaten Baylor. IIRC, we in fact were ranked #2 and Baylor #1.
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