04-14-2017, 08:38 AM
Could be very consequential for Stanford: https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/...9067661312
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New NCAA rules: 10th assistant coach + December recruiting period
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04-14-2017, 08:50 AM
Also two-a-day contact practices are banned - http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...l-two-days
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Also two-a-day contact practices are banned - http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...l-two-days
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
04-14-2017, 09:07 AM
I like the 10th assistant. Especially good news for Stanford as we recruit the entire country and the newbie can share the load there
Don't like the early signing period but certainly understand why it passed so easily. Who else might need 7th semester grades? Just us
Contact periods are different for different sports. Some other sports can make others well before football.Â
Don't like the early signing period but certainly understand why it passed so easily. Who else might need 7th semester grades? Just us
Contact periods are different for different sports. Some other sports can make others well before football.Â
I like the 10th assistant. Especially good news for Stanford as we recruit the entire country and the newbie can share the load there
Don't like the early signing period but certainly understand why it passed so easily. Who else might need 7th semester grades? Just us
Contact periods are different for different sports. Some other sports can make others well before football.Â
Don't like the early signing period but certainly understand why it passed so easily. Who else might need 7th semester grades? Just us
Contact periods are different for different sports. Some other sports can make others well before football.Â
04-14-2017, 03:41 PM
The full list of recruiting changes is at:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...ting-model
It seems like a fair number of changes could have implications for Stanford:
>> It adds a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits cant occur in conjunction with a prospects participation in a schools camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).
I imagine this is the part that could be a big win for Stanford. I'm biased, but how can anyone take a visit and not come away impressed that Stanford is the most beautiful and exciting campus in the world. If kids can see Stanford earlier in the process and more often, I think this will lead to more prospects making Stanford their dream pick.
>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
No big change for Stanford, but I can imagine a certain Great Lakes university won't be able to scoop any more grad transfers while coincidentally hiring his mom as director of player development.
>>Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
I imagine this would rarely make a difference. I get a little nervous because Stanford has such an uneven number of slots available each year. I see in 2016 Stanford has 23 enrollees and 2 letters of intent -- would that hit the new limit? Also, this count seems like it'd be unfair for Mormon/LDS student-athletes, who might count toward a restrictive limit when they start their mission, not when they start school.
It looks like this rule could have a bigger impact at places like Alabama, which had 26 enrollees in 2013. Huh. Wouldn't their scholar-athletes want to spend 4-5 years there for that Alabama degree? It's not like 26 of them are going to the NFL every year after their junior year...
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...ting-model
It seems like a fair number of changes could have implications for Stanford:
>> It adds a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits cant occur in conjunction with a prospects participation in a schools camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).
I imagine this is the part that could be a big win for Stanford. I'm biased, but how can anyone take a visit and not come away impressed that Stanford is the most beautiful and exciting campus in the world. If kids can see Stanford earlier in the process and more often, I think this will lead to more prospects making Stanford their dream pick.
>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
No big change for Stanford, but I can imagine a certain Great Lakes university won't be able to scoop any more grad transfers while coincidentally hiring his mom as director of player development.
>>Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
I imagine this would rarely make a difference. I get a little nervous because Stanford has such an uneven number of slots available each year. I see in 2016 Stanford has 23 enrollees and 2 letters of intent -- would that hit the new limit? Also, this count seems like it'd be unfair for Mormon/LDS student-athletes, who might count toward a restrictive limit when they start their mission, not when they start school.
It looks like this rule could have a bigger impact at places like Alabama, which had 26 enrollees in 2013. Huh. Wouldn't their scholar-athletes want to spend 4-5 years there for that Alabama degree? It's not like 26 of them are going to the NFL every year after their junior year...
The full list of recruiting changes is at:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...ting-model
It seems like a fair number of changes could have implications for Stanford:
>> It adds a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits cant occur in conjunction with a prospects participation in a schools camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).
I imagine this is the part that could be a big win for Stanford. I'm biased, but how can anyone take a visit and not come away impressed that Stanford is the most beautiful and exciting campus in the world. If kids can see Stanford earlier in the process and more often, I think this will lead to more prospects making Stanford their dream pick.
>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
No big change for Stanford, but I can imagine a certain Great Lakes university won't be able to scoop any more grad transfers while coincidentally hiring his mom as director of player development.
>>Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
I imagine this would rarely make a difference. I get a little nervous because Stanford has such an uneven number of slots available each year. I see in 2016 Stanford has 23 enrollees and 2 letters of intent -- would that hit the new limit? Also, this count seems like it'd be unfair for Mormon/LDS student-athletes, who might count toward a restrictive limit when they start their mission, not when they start school.
It looks like this rule could have a bigger impact at places like Alabama, which had 26 enrollees in 2013. Huh. Wouldn't their scholar-athletes want to spend 4-5 years there for that Alabama degree? It's not like 26 of them are going to the NFL every year after their junior year...
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...ting-model
It seems like a fair number of changes could have implications for Stanford:
>> It adds a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits cant occur in conjunction with a prospects participation in a schools camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).
I imagine this is the part that could be a big win for Stanford. I'm biased, but how can anyone take a visit and not come away impressed that Stanford is the most beautiful and exciting campus in the world. If kids can see Stanford earlier in the process and more often, I think this will lead to more prospects making Stanford their dream pick.
>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
No big change for Stanford, but I can imagine a certain Great Lakes university won't be able to scoop any more grad transfers while coincidentally hiring his mom as director of player development.
>>Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
I imagine this would rarely make a difference. I get a little nervous because Stanford has such an uneven number of slots available each year. I see in 2016 Stanford has 23 enrollees and 2 letters of intent -- would that hit the new limit? Also, this count seems like it'd be unfair for Mormon/LDS student-athletes, who might count toward a restrictive limit when they start their mission, not when they start school.
It looks like this rule could have a bigger impact at places like Alabama, which had 26 enrollees in 2013. Huh. Wouldn't their scholar-athletes want to spend 4-5 years there for that Alabama degree? It's not like 26 of them are going to the NFL every year after their junior year...
04-14-2017, 04:25 PM
I agree the early visit period is substantial for Stanford, given so many Stanford recruits come from east of the Rockies, and most of those from east of the Mississippi. So often we've heard "if they visit, they will come," and so often, recruits don't come on their own dime, and that probably contributes a bit to guys ruling out Stanford as they do take visits to campuses closer to home. I don't know if Jabrill Peppers would have ended up at Stanford had he visited, but I do know he once had Stanford as his top choice, until he didn't visit after visiting Michigan and Ohio State. Maybe he didn't visit because he wouldn't put in the work to get admitted, but it sure seems like getting guys on campus before their Senior years for OVs can't do anything but help the Stanford cause.
The camps will still have to be on the dime of the kids's parents, but those earlier official visits will coincide with Spring practice, which also means getting on campus when school is in session, which is advantageous.
Will be curious to hear what David Shaw has to say about the changes.
The camps will still have to be on the dime of the kids's parents, but those earlier official visits will coincide with Spring practice, which also means getting on campus when school is in session, which is advantageous.
Will be curious to hear what David Shaw has to say about the changes.
I agree the early visit period is substantial for Stanford, given so many Stanford recruits come from east of the Rockies, and most of those from east of the Mississippi. So often we've heard "if they visit, they will come," and so often, recruits don't come on their own dime, and that probably contributes a bit to guys ruling out Stanford as they do take visits to campuses closer to home. I don't know if Jabrill Peppers would have ended up at Stanford had he visited, but I do know he once had Stanford as his top choice, until he didn't visit after visiting Michigan and Ohio State. Maybe he didn't visit because he wouldn't put in the work to get admitted, but it sure seems like getting guys on campus before their Senior years for OVs can't do anything but help the Stanford cause.
The camps will still have to be on the dime of the kids's parents, but those earlier official visits will coincide with Spring practice, which also means getting on campus when school is in session, which is advantageous.
Will be curious to hear what David Shaw has to say about the changes.
The camps will still have to be on the dime of the kids's parents, but those earlier official visits will coincide with Spring practice, which also means getting on campus when school is in session, which is advantageous.
Will be curious to hear what David Shaw has to say about the changes.
04-14-2017, 06:02 PM
Quote:>>Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
There's already a limit of 25 scholarship new entrants (and 85 total scholarships), which Stanford never has run up against (even though we have uneven classes, we have less attrition than most schools and tend to redshirt a larger proportion of players). What this protects against is oversigning, which runs rampant in the SEC. Schools will accept more than 25 letters of intent, even though only 25 players can be on scholarship, expecting some players to not make it academically or grayshirt, etc. I think this doesn't impact Stanford, but will have a slight negative impact on some of our competition, though oversigning is not as big of a deal in the Pac-12.
BC
Quote:>>Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
There's already a limit of 25 scholarship new entrants (and 85 total scholarships), which Stanford never has run up against (even though we have uneven classes, we have less attrition than most schools and tend to redshirt a larger proportion of players). What this protects against is oversigning, which runs rampant in the SEC. Schools will accept more than 25 letters of intent, even though only 25 players can be on scholarship, expecting some players to not make it academically or grayshirt, etc. I think this doesn't impact Stanford, but will have a slight negative impact on some of our competition, though oversigning is not as big of a deal in the Pac-12.
BC
04-15-2017, 06:24 AM
I like that the 10th assistant gives us the opportunity to have a FT OL coach which two of the last three seasons has been shown to be needed.
04-15-2017, 09:43 AM
(04-14-2017, 04:25 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I agree the early visit period is substantial for Stanford, given so many Stanford recruits come from east of the Rockies, and most of those from east of the Mississippi. So often we've heard "if they visit, they will come," and so often, recruits don't come on their own dime, and that probably contributes a bit to guys ruling out Stanford as they do take visits to campuses closer to home. I don't know if Jabrill Peppers would have ended up at Stanford had he visited, but I do know he once had Stanford as his top choice, until he didn't visit after visiting Michigan and Ohio State. Maybe he didn't visit because he wouldn't put in the work to get admitted, but it sure seems like getting guys on campus before their Senior years for OVs can't do anything but help the Stanford cause.
The camps will still have to be on the dime of the kids's parents, but those earlier official visits will coincide with Spring practice, which also means getting on campus when school is in session, which is advantageous.
Will be curious to hear what David Shaw has to say about the changes.
I too, think Peppers would have come here had he visited. I've spent a substantial amount of time on both campuses. U of Michigan is an amazing place, at least in terms of facilities it's what our third cousins across the Bay would do if they had their act together. A high school athlete is going to be extremely impressed by the Big House and everything else. Ann Arbor is a very nice place. That said, if you put Ann Arbor and Palo Alto next to each other, the only area in which AA beats out Stanford is housing affordability, and frankly not by as much as you'd think.
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(04-14-2017, 04:25 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I agree the early visit period is substantial for Stanford, given so many Stanford recruits come from east of the Rockies, and most of those from east of the Mississippi. So often we've heard "if they visit, they will come," and so often, recruits don't come on their own dime, and that probably contributes a bit to guys ruling out Stanford as they do take visits to campuses closer to home. I don't know if Jabrill Peppers would have ended up at Stanford had he visited, but I do know he once had Stanford as his top choice, until he didn't visit after visiting Michigan and Ohio State. Maybe he didn't visit because he wouldn't put in the work to get admitted, but it sure seems like getting guys on campus before their Senior years for OVs can't do anything but help the Stanford cause.
The camps will still have to be on the dime of the kids's parents, but those earlier official visits will coincide with Spring practice, which also means getting on campus when school is in session, which is advantageous.
Will be curious to hear what David Shaw has to say about the changes.
I too, think Peppers would have come here had he visited. I've spent a substantial amount of time on both campuses. U of Michigan is an amazing place, at least in terms of facilities it's what our third cousins across the Bay would do if they had their act together. A high school athlete is going to be extremely impressed by the Big House and everything else. Ann Arbor is a very nice place. That said, if you put Ann Arbor and Palo Alto next to each other, the only area in which AA beats out Stanford is housing affordability, and frankly not by as much as you'd think.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
04-15-2017, 03:43 PM
(04-15-2017, 09:43 AM)Mick link Wrote:if you put Ann Arbor and Palo Alto next to each other, the only area in which AA beats out Stanford is housing affordability, and frankly not by as much as you'd think.
And that is not really a concern to a scholarship athlete whose housing is fully paid for.
(04-15-2017, 09:43 AM)Mick link Wrote:if you put Ann Arbor and Palo Alto next to each other, the only area in which AA beats out Stanford is housing affordability, and frankly not by as much as you'd think.
And that is not really a concern to a scholarship athlete whose housing is fully paid for.
04-17-2017, 08:32 PM
(04-17-2017, 05:18 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:http://www.uhnd.com/recruiting/rules-not...ord-36276/Someone please get those folks an editor, or at least a 5th grader to proof read their work.
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(04-17-2017, 05:18 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:http://www.uhnd.com/recruiting/rules-not...ord-36276/Someone please get those folks an editor, or at least a 5th grader to proof read their work.
Heroism is not defined by one great act, but by a lifetime of right action.
04-18-2017, 03:35 AM
I do agree that the early signing period could be a negative for us in some situations.Â
DIE LUFT DER FREIHEIT WEHT
I do agree that the early signing period could be a negative for us in some situations.Â
DIE LUFT DER FREIHEIT WEHT
04-18-2017, 06:34 AM
(04-15-2017, 06:24 AM)winflop link Wrote:I like that the 10th assistant gives us the opportunity to have a FT OL coach which two of the last three seasons has been shown to be needed.
I don't have the quote but pretty sure Shaw has already indicated that the 10th spot will be used to hire a WR coach so that Tavita can focus solely on QBs.
(04-15-2017, 06:24 AM)winflop link Wrote:I like that the 10th assistant gives us the opportunity to have a FT OL coach which two of the last three seasons has been shown to be needed.
I don't have the quote but pretty sure Shaw has already indicated that the 10th spot will be used to hire a WR coach so that Tavita can focus solely on QBs.
04-18-2017, 08:25 AM
Keep in mind Matt that thought was for hiring a 10th coach in August. Now the 10th coach is in January.Â
04-18-2017, 08:40 AM
(04-17-2017, 05:18 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:http://www.uhnd.com/recruiting/rules-not...ord-36276/
Wow, a lot of wishful thinking in there. I've never heard any recruit picking Stanford over Notre Dame say they did because Stanford's weather is nicer. But even if they did, anyone close to choosing Stanford is also smart enough to understand that visiting South Bend from April to June, doesn't make the Winter in South Bend is any nicer.Â
As for the early signing period giving ND any appreciable advantage over Stanford, I'm dubious too. I thought Stanford would be hurt much more by early enrollees looking to participate in Spring Practice as True Frosh than has turned out to be the case. Stanford may have lost a guy or two as a result, but there is also evidence Stanford recruits are willing to wait longer to sign with Stanford than other places.
My guess is with the early signing period, Shaw will only allow commits who have been admitted, to sign at that time. It's one thing to have a verbal commit be dinged by admissions before signing day. Not so great to have that happen after.
(04-17-2017, 05:18 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:http://www.uhnd.com/recruiting/rules-not...ord-36276/
Wow, a lot of wishful thinking in there. I've never heard any recruit picking Stanford over Notre Dame say they did because Stanford's weather is nicer. But even if they did, anyone close to choosing Stanford is also smart enough to understand that visiting South Bend from April to June, doesn't make the Winter in South Bend is any nicer.Â
As for the early signing period giving ND any appreciable advantage over Stanford, I'm dubious too. I thought Stanford would be hurt much more by early enrollees looking to participate in Spring Practice as True Frosh than has turned out to be the case. Stanford may have lost a guy or two as a result, but there is also evidence Stanford recruits are willing to wait longer to sign with Stanford than other places.
My guess is with the early signing period, Shaw will only allow commits who have been admitted, to sign at that time. It's one thing to have a verbal commit be dinged by admissions before signing day. Not so great to have that happen after.
04-18-2017, 09:12 AM
No one can sign a LOI at Stanford in any sport without being admitted. So that problem is solved. ð
The problem is 7th semester grades won't be available before the early date. This isn't much of a problem for other sports, most of whom sign in November. For them they must be 3.9 or so after 6 semesters anyway.Â
The official visits starting April 1 of JR year has been true for WBB and WBB for 2 years now.
Most Stanford coaches want admission before official visits. Of course most sports are allowed 15-20 official visits. I think it's here it was mentioned FB allows 56.   Those who can't afford a visit on their own dime could take it as an official. We'll see how that plays out
The problem is 7th semester grades won't be available before the early date. This isn't much of a problem for other sports, most of whom sign in November. For them they must be 3.9 or so after 6 semesters anyway.Â
The official visits starting April 1 of JR year has been true for WBB and WBB for 2 years now.
Most Stanford coaches want admission before official visits. Of course most sports are allowed 15-20 official visits. I think it's here it was mentioned FB allows 56.   Those who can't afford a visit on their own dime could take it as an official. We'll see how that plays out
No one can sign a LOI at Stanford in any sport without being admitted. So that problem is solved. ð
The problem is 7th semester grades won't be available before the early date. This isn't much of a problem for other sports, most of whom sign in November. For them they must be 3.9 or so after 6 semesters anyway.Â
The official visits starting April 1 of JR year has been true for WBB and WBB for 2 years now.
Most Stanford coaches want admission before official visits. Of course most sports are allowed 15-20 official visits. I think it's here it was mentioned FB allows 56.   Those who can't afford a visit on their own dime could take it as an official. We'll see how that plays out
The problem is 7th semester grades won't be available before the early date. This isn't much of a problem for other sports, most of whom sign in November. For them they must be 3.9 or so after 6 semesters anyway.Â
The official visits starting April 1 of JR year has been true for WBB and WBB for 2 years now.
Most Stanford coaches want admission before official visits. Of course most sports are allowed 15-20 official visits. I think it's here it was mentioned FB allows 56.   Those who can't afford a visit on their own dime could take it as an official. We'll see how that plays out
04-19-2017, 07:45 AM
(04-14-2017, 03:41 PM)Snorlax94 link Wrote:>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
How did Missouri basketball get around this rule when they hired Michael Porter, Sr. as an assistant coach and landed Michael Porter, Jr. as a recruit within a couple of weeks of one another?
(04-14-2017, 03:41 PM)Snorlax94 link Wrote:>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
How did Missouri basketball get around this rule when they hired Michael Porter, Sr. as an assistant coach and landed Michael Porter, Jr. as a recruit within a couple of weeks of one another?
04-19-2017, 03:16 PM
(04-19-2017, 07:45 AM)SeattleTree link Wrote:[quote author=Snorlax94 link=topic=16790.msg191696#msg191696 date=1492209662]
>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
How did Missouri basketball get around this rule when they hired Michael Porter, Sr. as an assistant coach and landed Michael Porter, Jr. as a recruit within a couple of weeks of one another?
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Schools can still hire a parent/associate as an assistant coach, but not for a non-coaching position. So a school can fill one of its limited assistant coaching positions but is prevented from creating a departmental staff position to funnel payments to parents/associates.
(04-19-2017, 07:45 AM)SeattleTree link Wrote:[quote author=Snorlax94 link=topic=16790.msg191696#msg191696 date=1492209662]
>> It prevents Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the students anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in mens basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
How did Missouri basketball get around this rule when they hired Michael Porter, Sr. as an assistant coach and landed Michael Porter, Jr. as a recruit within a couple of weeks of one another?
[/quote]
Schools can still hire a parent/associate as an assistant coach, but not for a non-coaching position. So a school can fill one of its limited assistant coaching positions but is prevented from creating a departmental staff position to funnel payments to parents/associates.
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