10-15-2017, 02:00 PM
The next time you want to be critical of Shaw...
10-15-2017, 02:47 PM
(10-15-2017, 02:00 PM)Row80Critic link Wrote:Just watch this and the feeling will pass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWN-KMhr6I
Mike Leach is despicable in so many ways, but blaming his players for his own faults has to be at the top of the list.
(10-15-2017, 02:00 PM)Row80Critic link Wrote:Just watch this and the feeling will pass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWN-KMhr6I
Mike Leach is despicable in so many ways, but blaming his players for his own faults has to be at the top of the list.
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10-15-2017, 03:04 PM
By the way, it was reported today that WSU's AD just bolted to Nebraska, as their new AD.
By the way, it was reported today that WSU's AD just bolted to Nebraska, as their new AD.
10-15-2017, 03:08 PM
(10-15-2017, 03:04 PM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:By the way, it was reported today that WSU's AD just bolted to Nebraska, as their new AD.
Confirmed but that was apparently over a lengthy rift with the University President
10-15-2017, 03:27 PM
(10-15-2017, 02:47 PM)81alum link Wrote:[quote author=Row80Critic link=topic=17710.msg206646#msg206646 date=1508101213]
Just watch this and the feeling will pass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWN-KMhr6I
Mike Leech is despicable in so many ways, but blaming his players for his own faults has to be at the top of the list.
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Most of the comments seem to favor Leach's candor.
(10-15-2017, 02:47 PM)81alum link Wrote:[quote author=Row80Critic link=topic=17710.msg206646#msg206646 date=1508101213]
Just watch this and the feeling will pass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWN-KMhr6I
Mike Leech is despicable in so many ways, but blaming his players for his own faults has to be at the top of the list.
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Most of the comments seem to favor Leach's candor.
10-15-2017, 04:50 PM
Mike Reillys seat is quite hot. I gotta believe Moos will fire him after the season and make a run at Leach, who apparently he gets along with quite well.
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Mike Reillys seat is quite hot. I gotta believe Moos will fire him after the season and make a run at Leach, who apparently he gets along with quite well.
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10-15-2017, 05:41 PM
Leach takes blame for his losses, just like he did for the Cal game. He also complimented the other team. He's totally honest. You don't have to ever wonder if he's hiding anything or what Leach thinks.
I'd say at least he's his real self at the podium, but many guys are their real selves there, including David Shaw. I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
Variety is the spice of life.
I'd say at least he's his real self at the podium, but many guys are their real selves there, including David Shaw. I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
Variety is the spice of life.
Leach takes blame for his losses, just like he did for the Cal game. He also complimented the other team. He's totally honest. You don't have to ever wonder if he's hiding anything or what Leach thinks.
I'd say at least he's his real self at the podium, but many guys are their real selves there, including David Shaw. I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
Variety is the spice of life.
I'd say at least he's his real self at the podium, but many guys are their real selves there, including David Shaw. I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
Variety is the spice of life.
10-15-2017, 06:00 PM
(10-15-2017, 05:41 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
I give you Wlat Harris.
(10-15-2017, 05:41 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
I give you Wlat Harris.
10-15-2017, 06:33 PM
If Leach were a high tech guy with a comparable portfolio Silicon Valley would worship him.
10-15-2017, 06:47 PM
(10-15-2017, 05:41 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Leach takes blame for his losses, just like he did for the ×ÉÉ game. He also complimented the other team. He's totally honest. You don't have to ever wonder if he's hiding anything or what Leach thinks.
I'd say at least he's his real self at the podium, but many guys are their real selves there, including David Shaw. I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
Variety is the spice of life.
I'm fine with a diversity of personalities so long as some basic ground rules are met. I believe in treating other human beings with respect, even when they disappoint you. I believe a coach should take responsibility for his team's performance--in a genuine way.
I once hated football, which seemed to me to be dominated by coaches who heaped abuse on their players, from Woody Hayes to Frank Kush. I became a fan because of Bill Walsh, who understood that he was a teacher and that the players were his students, and they deserved to be treated with the same level of maturity and respect that they would receive in any university classroom. David Shaw gets that too. That kind of coach keeps the game in perspective and becomes a role model for mature behavior, but more importantly, realizes that humiliation is not a good teaching tool.
If sports belong at a university, then coaches should behave like faculty and players should behave like students. I know that seems unrealistic to some, but as a professor that is how I feel about the place of sports at a university. That is at the core for why I am a Stanford sports fan and not a generic sports fan--we are one of the few universities that seems to get it. Leach, needless to say, has a different philosophy.
(10-15-2017, 05:41 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Leach takes blame for his losses, just like he did for the ×ÉÉ game. He also complimented the other team. He's totally honest. You don't have to ever wonder if he's hiding anything or what Leach thinks.
I'd say at least he's his real self at the podium, but many guys are their real selves there, including David Shaw. I just don't see why people feel the need to criticize others because they don't conform to their preferred standard of what they consider perfect. People are all different. Mike Leach is a very good football coach. He does things and has success his way. Why should he have to do them your way?
Variety is the spice of life.
I'm fine with a diversity of personalities so long as some basic ground rules are met. I believe in treating other human beings with respect, even when they disappoint you. I believe a coach should take responsibility for his team's performance--in a genuine way.
I once hated football, which seemed to me to be dominated by coaches who heaped abuse on their players, from Woody Hayes to Frank Kush. I became a fan because of Bill Walsh, who understood that he was a teacher and that the players were his students, and they deserved to be treated with the same level of maturity and respect that they would receive in any university classroom. David Shaw gets that too. That kind of coach keeps the game in perspective and becomes a role model for mature behavior, but more importantly, realizes that humiliation is not a good teaching tool.
If sports belong at a university, then coaches should behave like faculty and players should behave like students. I know that seems unrealistic to some, but as a professor that is how I feel about the place of sports at a university. That is at the core for why I am a Stanford sports fan and not a generic sports fan--we are one of the few universities that seems to get it. Leach, needless to say, has a different philosophy.
I love this! I think it's a fantastic video of Leach!
I hope every time they lose The Pirate blames his student athletes and throws them under the bus and, most importantly, does this in front of recording cameras.
I want a giant library of him on the Internet so the next time a five star recruit is thinking of committing to Wa State, he can watch these videos to get a sense of the character, leadership and professionalism of the man he'll be committing to play for.
This is why so many modern ceo-coaches come off as so dry and boring. It's because when a modern ceo-coach is speaking to the camera, he knows he's not just talking to reporters and fans, he's also talking to future recruits and their families, and he has the discipline and self-control to act on that knowledge.
I hope every time they lose The Pirate blames his student athletes and throws them under the bus and, most importantly, does this in front of recording cameras.
I want a giant library of him on the Internet so the next time a five star recruit is thinking of committing to Wa State, he can watch these videos to get a sense of the character, leadership and professionalism of the man he'll be committing to play for.
This is why so many modern ceo-coaches come off as so dry and boring. It's because when a modern ceo-coach is speaking to the camera, he knows he's not just talking to reporters and fans, he's also talking to future recruits and their families, and he has the discipline and self-control to act on that knowledge.
(This post was last modified: 10-15-2017, 09:07 PM by Snorlax94.)
I love this! I think it's a fantastic video of Leach!
I hope every time they lose The Pirate blames his student athletes and throws them under the bus and, most importantly, does this in front of recording cameras.
I want a giant library of him on the Internet so the next time a five star recruit is thinking of committing to Wa State, he can watch these videos to get a sense of the character, leadership and professionalism of the man he'll be committing to play for.
This is why so many modern ceo-coaches come off as so dry and boring. It's because when a modern ceo-coach is speaking to the camera, he knows he's not just talking to reporters and fans, he's also talking to future recruits and their families, and he has the discipline and self-control to act on that knowledge.
I hope every time they lose The Pirate blames his student athletes and throws them under the bus and, most importantly, does this in front of recording cameras.
I want a giant library of him on the Internet so the next time a five star recruit is thinking of committing to Wa State, he can watch these videos to get a sense of the character, leadership and professionalism of the man he'll be committing to play for.
This is why so many modern ceo-coaches come off as so dry and boring. It's because when a modern ceo-coach is speaking to the camera, he knows he's not just talking to reporters and fans, he's also talking to future recruits and their families, and he has the discipline and self-control to act on that knowledge.
10-15-2017, 09:18 PM
(10-15-2017, 06:47 PM)81alum link Wrote:That kind of coach keeps the game in perspective and becomes a role model for mature behavior, but more importantly, realizes that humiliation is not a good teaching tool.It can certainly be argued that humiliation is not a "good" teaching tool, in that it may be considered crude and operates on the emotions, not the intellect. However, there is no doubt that humiliation can be a very effective teaching tool. It has been used for centuries to train troops, for instance. It can be overdone certainly, but there is no question that if often works very well.
(10-15-2017, 06:47 PM)81alum link Wrote:That kind of coach keeps the game in perspective and becomes a role model for mature behavior, but more importantly, realizes that humiliation is not a good teaching tool.It can certainly be argued that humiliation is not a "good" teaching tool, in that it may be considered crude and operates on the emotions, not the intellect. However, there is no doubt that humiliation can be a very effective teaching tool. It has been used for centuries to train troops, for instance. It can be overdone certainly, but there is no question that if often works very well.
10-16-2017, 12:31 AM
Lets remember that between the players and coaches, only one group is paid for their troubles, while the other group has to deal with the physical toll that playing football imposes on their bodies.
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Lets remember that between the players and coaches, only one group is paid for their troubles, while the other group has to deal with the physical toll that playing football imposes on their bodies.
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10-16-2017, 03:00 AM
(10-15-2017, 09:00 PM)Snorlax94 link Wrote:I love this! I think it's a fantastic video of Leach!
I hope every time they lose The Pirate blames his student athletes and throws them under the bus and, most importantly, does this in front of recording cameras.
I want a giant library of him on the Internet so the next time a five star recruit is thinking of committing to Wa State, he can watch these videos to get a sense of the character, leadership and professionalism of the man he'll be committing to play for.
This is why so many modern ceo-coaches come off as so dry and boring. It's because when a modern ceo-coach is speaking to the camera, he knows he's not just talking to reporters and fans, he's also talking to future recruits and their families, and he has the discipline and self-control to act on that knowledge.
Thats ridiculous. No 5* recruit had ever thought about committing to Washington State.
(10-15-2017, 09:00 PM)Snorlax94 link Wrote:I love this! I think it's a fantastic video of Leach!
I hope every time they lose The Pirate blames his student athletes and throws them under the bus and, most importantly, does this in front of recording cameras.
I want a giant library of him on the Internet so the next time a five star recruit is thinking of committing to Wa State, he can watch these videos to get a sense of the character, leadership and professionalism of the man he'll be committing to play for.
This is why so many modern ceo-coaches come off as so dry and boring. It's because when a modern ceo-coach is speaking to the camera, he knows he's not just talking to reporters and fans, he's also talking to future recruits and their families, and he has the discipline and self-control to act on that knowledge.
Thats ridiculous. No 5* recruit had ever thought about committing to Washington State.
10-17-2017, 03:03 AM
I agree that Leach laid it on a little thick. He should have taken a few deep breaths before he entered the press conference room.
Having said that, however, it's not like he said the coaching was fantastic but the players were awful. He blamed the coaches as well.
Also, it was a pretty bad performance by the Cougs. They made Kal look like Alabama.
Coaching at Wazzu is a very tough job. You are trying to win with players your opponents didn't want. Maybe it takes someone like Leach to succeed there.
While I do feel for the players, (as I've said before) no one puts a gun to their head and forces them to play college football. They must be out there because they feel it is more advantageous to them than not being.
Having said that, however, it's not like he said the coaching was fantastic but the players were awful. He blamed the coaches as well.
Also, it was a pretty bad performance by the Cougs. They made Kal look like Alabama.
Coaching at Wazzu is a very tough job. You are trying to win with players your opponents didn't want. Maybe it takes someone like Leach to succeed there.
While I do feel for the players, (as I've said before) no one puts a gun to their head and forces them to play college football. They must be out there because they feel it is more advantageous to them than not being.
I agree that Leach laid it on a little thick. He should have taken a few deep breaths before he entered the press conference room.
Having said that, however, it's not like he said the coaching was fantastic but the players were awful. He blamed the coaches as well.
Also, it was a pretty bad performance by the Cougs. They made Kal look like Alabama.
Coaching at Wazzu is a very tough job. You are trying to win with players your opponents didn't want. Maybe it takes someone like Leach to succeed there.
While I do feel for the players, (as I've said before) no one puts a gun to their head and forces them to play college football. They must be out there because they feel it is more advantageous to them than not being.
Having said that, however, it's not like he said the coaching was fantastic but the players were awful. He blamed the coaches as well.
Also, it was a pretty bad performance by the Cougs. They made Kal look like Alabama.
Coaching at Wazzu is a very tough job. You are trying to win with players your opponents didn't want. Maybe it takes someone like Leach to succeed there.
While I do feel for the players, (as I've said before) no one puts a gun to their head and forces them to play college football. They must be out there because they feel it is more advantageous to them than not being.
(10-17-2017, 03:03 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Having said that, however, it's not like he said the coaching was fantastic but the players were awful. He blamed the coaches as well.I did want to add that when I watched the game, my opinion was that the #1 cause of the loss was because ×ÉÉ so thoroughly out-coached Leach. ×ÉÉ had an incredible game plan, they executed their game plan extremely well, and Wazoo did not adapt to what was happening.
I don't think it's appropriate or professional for a coach to mostly blame the students, especially when it's his fault, and although severe criticism may work for some people, *public* shaming is generally viewed as an ineffective and inappropriate treatment of students.
×ÉÉ sent pressure packages Wazoo was unprepared to handle. ×ÉÉ exploited Falk's tendency to hold onto the ball too long. ×ÉÉ exploited Falk's recklessness/gunslingeriness. (Faults that have been longstanding and should have been coached). ×ÉÉ adjusted to Wazoo's stemming and blitzing schemes and made them pay for it so much Wazoo largely just stopped trying it.
Leach's take? His players sucked.
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2017, 04:28 AM by Snorlax94.)
(10-17-2017, 03:03 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Having said that, however, it's not like he said the coaching was fantastic but the players were awful. He blamed the coaches as well.I did want to add that when I watched the game, my opinion was that the #1 cause of the loss was because ×ÉÉ so thoroughly out-coached Leach. ×ÉÉ had an incredible game plan, they executed their game plan extremely well, and Wazoo did not adapt to what was happening.
I don't think it's appropriate or professional for a coach to mostly blame the students, especially when it's his fault, and although severe criticism may work for some people, *public* shaming is generally viewed as an ineffective and inappropriate treatment of students.
×ÉÉ sent pressure packages Wazoo was unprepared to handle. ×ÉÉ exploited Falk's tendency to hold onto the ball too long. ×ÉÉ exploited Falk's recklessness/gunslingeriness. (Faults that have been longstanding and should have been coached). ×ÉÉ adjusted to Wazoo's stemming and blitzing schemes and made them pay for it so much Wazoo largely just stopped trying it.
Leach's take? His players sucked.
10-17-2017, 06:03 AM
(10-17-2017, 03:03 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Coaching at Wazzu is a very tough job. You are trying to win with players your opponents didn't want. Maybe it takes someone like Leach to succeed there.
Or someone like Mike Price. Or like Dennis Erickson.
Hmmm. It appears that succeeding at WSU does take a little ... something.
It seems to me that WSU should be the hardest place to win in the conference. Though by actual records I am not sure they've done worse than OSU.
(10-17-2017, 03:03 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Coaching at Wazzu is a very tough job. You are trying to win with players your opponents didn't want. Maybe it takes someone like Leach to succeed there.
Or someone like Mike Price. Or like Dennis Erickson.
Hmmm. It appears that succeeding at WSU does take a little ... something.
It seems to me that WSU should be the hardest place to win in the conference. Though by actual records I am not sure they've done worse than OSU.
10-17-2017, 07:42 AM
I also found it to be not too objectionable. He stated obvious truths like that they did not play well, no single position group played well, coaches clearly didnt have them ready to go, etc. the only player he called out by name was when asked a specific question about Falk, and he once again just stated the obvious that Falk had a bad game (which Im sure Falk would agree with).
He did not call out any other individuals, or defame their character or skills. I enjoy brutal honesty from coaches, unless it is directed towards specific players in public.
He did not call out any other individuals, or defame their character or skills. I enjoy brutal honesty from coaches, unless it is directed towards specific players in public.
I also found it to be not too objectionable. He stated obvious truths like that they did not play well, no single position group played well, coaches clearly didnt have them ready to go, etc. the only player he called out by name was when asked a specific question about Falk, and he once again just stated the obvious that Falk had a bad game (which Im sure Falk would agree with).
He did not call out any other individuals, or defame their character or skills. I enjoy brutal honesty from coaches, unless it is directed towards specific players in public.
He did not call out any other individuals, or defame their character or skills. I enjoy brutal honesty from coaches, unless it is directed towards specific players in public.
10-17-2017, 08:22 AM
Mike Leach was just plain disgusted with everybody. It was a team failure and a coaching failure across the board, and he said so.
I think there are a couple of underlying truths that he couldn't acknowledge because to do so calls his team's future into question. First, the Air Raid won't work if the OL doesn't protect the passer. There are not a lot of levers one can pull to change that fact. The defensive game plan Kal was using should have been beatable by medium routes into holes in the zone. The bears weren't all-out blitzing, so Falk should have had time to throw those routes. He didn't because the OL wasn't blocking well enough. End of story. No offense will fare well if they can't block the defense. Look at our game against WSU last year. The difference is that we have athletes that consensus indicates could have won the battle in the trenches. WSU, not as much. That could be a fatal flaw, so it can't be acknowledged.
Second, on defense the bears forced WSU to play defense "straight up" by successfully (enough)Â running against the line stunts. WSU just isn't big enough to do that in the PAC-12. (And this may apply to Stanford too). The bears were able to run straight ahead well enough to keep control of the game. I am not sure there is a coaching adjustment that could have "fixed" this. Holding onto the ball on offense and grinding out scores is not an available option in the Air Raid, even when it is working.
So, Leach had to say it was a failure in execution, not scheme. He is probably right. If the WSU OL had performed as it did against USC, the bears would have lost by double digits, even with their excellent game plan. It wouldn't have been a blow-out, but WSU would have won despite having some problems on defense. If they played this game 10 times, I think WSU wins 8 of them. But Friday was not one of those 8.
I think there are a couple of underlying truths that he couldn't acknowledge because to do so calls his team's future into question. First, the Air Raid won't work if the OL doesn't protect the passer. There are not a lot of levers one can pull to change that fact. The defensive game plan Kal was using should have been beatable by medium routes into holes in the zone. The bears weren't all-out blitzing, so Falk should have had time to throw those routes. He didn't because the OL wasn't blocking well enough. End of story. No offense will fare well if they can't block the defense. Look at our game against WSU last year. The difference is that we have athletes that consensus indicates could have won the battle in the trenches. WSU, not as much. That could be a fatal flaw, so it can't be acknowledged.
Second, on defense the bears forced WSU to play defense "straight up" by successfully (enough)Â running against the line stunts. WSU just isn't big enough to do that in the PAC-12. (And this may apply to Stanford too). The bears were able to run straight ahead well enough to keep control of the game. I am not sure there is a coaching adjustment that could have "fixed" this. Holding onto the ball on offense and grinding out scores is not an available option in the Air Raid, even when it is working.
So, Leach had to say it was a failure in execution, not scheme. He is probably right. If the WSU OL had performed as it did against USC, the bears would have lost by double digits, even with their excellent game plan. It wouldn't have been a blow-out, but WSU would have won despite having some problems on defense. If they played this game 10 times, I think WSU wins 8 of them. But Friday was not one of those 8.
Mike Leach was just plain disgusted with everybody. It was a team failure and a coaching failure across the board, and he said so.
I think there are a couple of underlying truths that he couldn't acknowledge because to do so calls his team's future into question. First, the Air Raid won't work if the OL doesn't protect the passer. There are not a lot of levers one can pull to change that fact. The defensive game plan Kal was using should have been beatable by medium routes into holes in the zone. The bears weren't all-out blitzing, so Falk should have had time to throw those routes. He didn't because the OL wasn't blocking well enough. End of story. No offense will fare well if they can't block the defense. Look at our game against WSU last year. The difference is that we have athletes that consensus indicates could have won the battle in the trenches. WSU, not as much. That could be a fatal flaw, so it can't be acknowledged.
Second, on defense the bears forced WSU to play defense "straight up" by successfully (enough)Â running against the line stunts. WSU just isn't big enough to do that in the PAC-12. (And this may apply to Stanford too). The bears were able to run straight ahead well enough to keep control of the game. I am not sure there is a coaching adjustment that could have "fixed" this. Holding onto the ball on offense and grinding out scores is not an available option in the Air Raid, even when it is working.
So, Leach had to say it was a failure in execution, not scheme. He is probably right. If the WSU OL had performed as it did against USC, the bears would have lost by double digits, even with their excellent game plan. It wouldn't have been a blow-out, but WSU would have won despite having some problems on defense. If they played this game 10 times, I think WSU wins 8 of them. But Friday was not one of those 8.
I think there are a couple of underlying truths that he couldn't acknowledge because to do so calls his team's future into question. First, the Air Raid won't work if the OL doesn't protect the passer. There are not a lot of levers one can pull to change that fact. The defensive game plan Kal was using should have been beatable by medium routes into holes in the zone. The bears weren't all-out blitzing, so Falk should have had time to throw those routes. He didn't because the OL wasn't blocking well enough. End of story. No offense will fare well if they can't block the defense. Look at our game against WSU last year. The difference is that we have athletes that consensus indicates could have won the battle in the trenches. WSU, not as much. That could be a fatal flaw, so it can't be acknowledged.
Second, on defense the bears forced WSU to play defense "straight up" by successfully (enough)Â running against the line stunts. WSU just isn't big enough to do that in the PAC-12. (And this may apply to Stanford too). The bears were able to run straight ahead well enough to keep control of the game. I am not sure there is a coaching adjustment that could have "fixed" this. Holding onto the ball on offense and grinding out scores is not an available option in the Air Raid, even when it is working.
So, Leach had to say it was a failure in execution, not scheme. He is probably right. If the WSU OL had performed as it did against USC, the bears would have lost by double digits, even with their excellent game plan. It wouldn't have been a blow-out, but WSU would have won despite having some problems on defense. If they played this game 10 times, I think WSU wins 8 of them. But Friday was not one of those 8.
10-17-2017, 11:00 AM
The pressure Cal applied to Falk with 4 (sometimes 5) rushers was the key to the game, imo.
And let's be honest for a moment: some of those TOs were a bit flukey. Still, no doubt Wilcox & Co. had a great game plan and the players executed it pretty well.
And let's be honest for a moment: some of those TOs were a bit flukey. Still, no doubt Wilcox & Co. had a great game plan and the players executed it pretty well.
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