[BobK]

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[BobK]

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[GoodGrief]

How interesting. I recall John Arrillaga wasn't a fan of alcohol being sold at games, and so we stopped (with the understanding that he would make up for the revenue loss). I wonder the reason for the change--have we been selling alcohol at other kinds of games?

[GoodGrief]

How interesting. I recall John Arrillaga wasn't a fan of alcohol being sold at games, and so we stopped (with the understanding that he would make up for the revenue loss). I wonder the reason for the change--have we been selling alcohol at other kinds of games?

[SamuelMcF]

How interesting. I recall John Arrillaga wasn't a fan of alcohol being sold at games, and so we stopped (with the understanding that he would make up for the revenue loss). I wonder the reason for the change--have we been selling alcohol at other kinds of games?

Nope; this is the first one, according to the linked article:

"After conversations with colleagues across the University, we have identified the 2020 baseball season as the ideal opportunity to introduce the sale of beer and wine at Stanford Athletics events," said the Jaquish and Kenninger Director of Athletics Bernard Muir. "We are committed to providing a quality game day experience for all fans and to doing so safely and responsibly. Our hope is that this pilot program is successful and opens the door to expanding to other venues in the future."

[SamuelMcF]

How interesting. I recall John Arrillaga wasn't a fan of alcohol being sold at games, and so we stopped (with the understanding that he would make up for the revenue loss). I wonder the reason for the change--have we been selling alcohol at other kinds of games?

Nope; this is the first one, according to the linked article:

"After conversations with colleagues across the University, we have identified the 2020 baseball season as the ideal opportunity to introduce the sale of beer and wine at Stanford Athletics events," said the Jaquish and Kenninger Director of Athletics Bernard Muir. "We are committed to providing a quality game day experience for all fans and to doing so safely and responsibly. Our hope is that this pilot program is successful and opens the door to expanding to other venues in the future."

[triangle2]

I think this is going on all over the Pac-12. Washington started selling beer at men's basketball games this season. Apparently, decision makers aren't old enough to remember what it was like at football games when the entire under the bleachers areas reeked of stale beer and guys were too drunk to piss into the urinals.  Plus ça change...

How interesting. I recall John Arrillaga wasn't a fan of alcohol being sold at games, and so we stopped (with the understanding that he would make up for the revenue loss). I wonder the reason for the change--have we been selling alcohol at other kinds of games?

Nope; this is the first one, according to the linked article:

"After conversations with colleagues across the University, we have identified the 2020 baseball season as the ideal opportunity to introduce the sale of beer and wine at Stanford Athletics events," said the Jaquish and Kenninger Director of Athletics Bernard Muir. "We are committed to providing a quality game day experience for all fans and to doing so safely and responsibly. Our hope is that this pilot program is successful and opens the door to expanding to other venues in the future."

[triangle2]

I think this is going on all over the Pac-12. Washington started selling beer at men's basketball games this season. Apparently, decision makers aren't old enough to remember what it was like at football games when the entire under the bleachers areas reeked of stale beer and guys were too drunk to piss into the urinals.  Plus ça change...

How interesting. I recall John Arrillaga wasn't a fan of alcohol being sold at games, and so we stopped (with the understanding that he would make up for the revenue loss). I wonder the reason for the change--have we been selling alcohol at other kinds of games?

Nope; this is the first one, according to the linked article:

"After conversations with colleagues across the University, we have identified the 2020 baseball season as the ideal opportunity to introduce the sale of beer and wine at Stanford Athletics events," said the Jaquish and Kenninger Director of Athletics Bernard Muir. "We are committed to providing a quality game day experience for all fans and to doing so safely and responsibly. Our hope is that this pilot program is successful and opens the door to expanding to other venues in the future."

[baymeadows3408]

When it comes to sporting events that are likely to cause drunken, rowdy behavior, Stanford baseball has to be pretty low on the list. It seems like a good choice for a pilot program.

[baymeadows3408]

When it comes to sporting events that are likely to cause drunken, rowdy behavior, Stanford baseball has to be pretty low on the list. It seems like a good choice for a pilot program.

[Mick]

When it comes to sporting events that are likely to cause drunken, rowdy behavior, Stanford baseball has to be pretty low on the list. It seems like a good choice for a pilot program.

Might hear a passed out drunk snoring.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Mick]

When it comes to sporting events that are likely to cause drunken, rowdy behavior, Stanford baseball has to be pretty low on the list. It seems like a good choice for a pilot program.

Might hear a passed out drunk snoring.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

[76lsjumb]

When it comes to sporting events that are likely to cause drunken, rowdy behavior, Stanford baseball has to be pretty low on the list. It seems like a good choice for a pilot program.

Maybe yes, maybe no.  I've been to a fair number of games over the years where one or two obnoxious -- and loud -- opposing fans have made their presence well-known behind the dugout on the third-base line.  I've generally assumed they were already adequately fueled from pre-game tailgating, so maybe this won't change things much.  Nevertheless, having a ready source of replenishment nearby won't improve things for the rest of us [or, very likely, for the umpires].

Also, ...who drinks wine at a baseball game?

[76lsjumb]

When it comes to sporting events that are likely to cause drunken, rowdy behavior, Stanford baseball has to be pretty low on the list. It seems like a good choice for a pilot program.

Maybe yes, maybe no.  I've been to a fair number of games over the years where one or two obnoxious -- and loud -- opposing fans have made their presence well-known behind the dugout on the third-base line.  I've generally assumed they were already adequately fueled from pre-game tailgating, so maybe this won't change things much.  Nevertheless, having a ready source of replenishment nearby won't improve things for the rest of us [or, very likely, for the umpires].

Also, ...who drinks wine at a baseball game?

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Also, ...who drinks wine at a baseball game?

I always wondered about that at football tailgaters.  beer & bourbon etc yes, but wine?  I'd never seen until tailgaters at CTG.

[slide]

Also, ...who drinks wine at a baseball game?

I always wondered about that at football tailgaters.  beer & bourbon etc yes, but wine?  I'd never seen until tailgaters at CTG.

[OutsiderFan]

Could it be that when beer was sold in the old days it was cheap and that encouraged excessive consumption, and now they will charge like $10 per beer and $12 for wine, so that pretty much ensures excessive consumption will be limited, but the school still earns some decent incremental revenue?

[OutsiderFan]

Could it be that when beer was sold in the old days it was cheap and that encouraged excessive consumption, and now they will charge like $10 per beer and $12 for wine, so that pretty much ensures excessive consumption will be limited, but the school still earns some decent incremental revenue?

[82lsju]

Also, ...who drinks wine at a baseball game?

I always wondered about that at football tailgaters.  beer & bourbon etc yes, but wine?  I'd never seen until tailgaters at CTG.

there's also plenty of wine at the tailgaters in lot 2 (aka El Camino Grove), some with nice stemware.......

[82lsju]

Also, ...who drinks wine at a baseball game?

I always wondered about that at football tailgaters.  beer & bourbon etc yes, but wine?  I'd never seen until tailgaters at CTG.

there's also plenty of wine at the tailgaters in lot 2 (aka El Camino Grove), some with nice stemware.......

[slide]

Could it be that when beer was sold in the old days it was cheap and that encouraged excessive consumption, and now they will charge like $10 per beer and $12 for wine, so that pretty much ensures excessive consumption will be limited, but the school still earns some decent incremental revenue?

LSU was (I think) $8 a beer and $9 for wine.  GaTech was a little cheaper, but it was also limited to "club" seats (lower deck, between the 20s).  both pricing setsups usually outside of price range for excess by students.  50+ college football stadiums now serve beer and wine game day.

[slide]

Could it be that when beer was sold in the old days it was cheap and that encouraged excessive consumption, and now they will charge like $10 per beer and $12 for wine, so that pretty much ensures excessive consumption will be limited, but the school still earns some decent incremental revenue?

LSU was (I think) $8 a beer and $9 for wine.  GaTech was a little cheaper, but it was also limited to "club" seats (lower deck, between the 20s).  both pricing setsups usually outside of price range for excess by students.  50+ college football stadiums now serve beer and wine game day.

[Leftcoast]

BUY cheap beer?

Not necessarily .... In the 70s/early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see small ice chests of beer and the occasional keg at Stanford football games. 

The never confirmed rumor was frats and the band could get a keg into the game if they arrived early and bought it a seat. If not, they had other ways of smuggling them into the stadium. The band often brought a keg onto the field in a shopping cart or wagon that later appeared in the stands.

[Leftcoast]

BUY cheap beer?

Not necessarily .... In the 70s/early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see small ice chests of beer and the occasional keg at Stanford football games. 

The never confirmed rumor was frats and the band could get a keg into the game if they arrived early and bought it a seat. If not, they had other ways of smuggling them into the stadium. The band often brought a keg onto the field in a shopping cart or wagon that later appeared in the stands.

[82lsju]

Could it be that when beer was sold in the old days it was cheap and that encouraged excessive consumption, and now they will charge like $10 per beer and $12 for wine, so that pretty much ensures excessive consumption will be limited, but the school still earns some decent incremental revenue?

my data is from 1979 to present, I do not recall there ever being alcoholic beverages being sold in the common areas of the football stadium.

My recollection of alcohol in the stadium

- initially you could bring in pretty much any alcohol you could carry.  As a student we'd sit in the student section and have a few playmate coolers full of bottles of beer (each held 12 bottle plus ice)

- the rule changed somewhere along the way to whatever you brought in had to fit under your seat (not that this was ever really enforced), again the 12 bottle playmate coolers worked great.

then there was the first night Big Game (1989?) where a lot of fights broke out (one in our section where a fellow dove over us to join a scrum a few rows below us).   That was the end of alcohol in the stadium.

Of course with in and out privileges many tailgate until kick-off and at halftime return to their tailgater for some more adult beverages then return for the second half.  If they would sell alcohol in the stadium I wonder if they would end in and out privileges.

[82lsju]

Could it be that when beer was sold in the old days it was cheap and that encouraged excessive consumption, and now they will charge like $10 per beer and $12 for wine, so that pretty much ensures excessive consumption will be limited, but the school still earns some decent incremental revenue?

my data is from 1979 to present, I do not recall there ever being alcoholic beverages being sold in the common areas of the football stadium.

My recollection of alcohol in the stadium

- initially you could bring in pretty much any alcohol you could carry.  As a student we'd sit in the student section and have a few playmate coolers full of bottles of beer (each held 12 bottle plus ice)

- the rule changed somewhere along the way to whatever you brought in had to fit under your seat (not that this was ever really enforced), again the 12 bottle playmate coolers worked great.

then there was the first night Big Game (1989?) where a lot of fights broke out (one in our section where a fellow dove over us to join a scrum a few rows below us).   That was the end of alcohol in the stadium.

Of course with in and out privileges many tailgate until kick-off and at halftime return to their tailgater for some more adult beverages then return for the second half.  If they would sell alcohol in the stadium I wonder if they would end in and out privileges.

[slide]

BUY cheap beer?

Not necessarily .... In the 70s/early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see small ice chests of beer and the occasional keg at Stanford football games. 

The never confirmed rumor was frats and the band could get a keg into the game if they arrived early and bought it a seat. 

early 80s, 2 guys and 1 keg was the limitation (no extra ticket needed for the keg).  our house would have a couple in the stadium for well attended games.  otherwise Playmate Coolers full of beer.

[slide]

BUY cheap beer?

Not necessarily .... In the 70s/early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see small ice chests of beer and the occasional keg at Stanford football games. 

The never confirmed rumor was frats and the band could get a keg into the game if they arrived early and bought it a seat. 

early 80s, 2 guys and 1 keg was the limitation (no extra ticket needed for the keg).  our house would have a couple in the stadium for well attended games.  otherwise Playmate Coolers full of beer.

[Mick]

Not necessarily .... In the 70s/early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see small ice chests of beer and the occasional keg at Stanford football games. 

True story from 1973 or so.  My granddad brought a cooler in the game and said "Mick, hand me that 7-Up bottle will you?  No, not that one...the other one."  Geez, even when I was 10 years old I knew what THAT meant.

Just as an aside, I really loved those days.  My great granddad had a block of 25 seats, and my grandparents used to throw these legendary tailgates.  40-50 people would come by, we'd throw the football around.  Maybe 60% had Stanford degrees, the rest just liked seeing Benjamin, or Dils, or Boryla or Plunkett or whoever...

[Mick]

Not necessarily .... In the 70s/early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see small ice chests of beer and the occasional keg at Stanford football games. 

True story from 1973 or so.  My granddad brought a cooler in the game and said "Mick, hand me that 7-Up bottle will you?  No, not that one...the other one."  Geez, even when I was 10 years old I knew what THAT meant.

Just as an aside, I really loved those days.  My great granddad had a block of 25 seats, and my grandparents used to throw these legendary tailgates.  40-50 people would come by, we'd throw the football around.  Maybe 60% had Stanford degrees, the rest just liked seeing Benjamin, or Dils, or Boryla or Plunkett or whoever...

[Embo]

my data is from 1979 to present, I do not recall there ever being alcoholic beverages being sold in the common areas of the football stadium.

My recollection of alcohol in the stadium

- initially you could bring in pretty much any alcohol you could carry.  As a student we'd sit in the student section and have a few playmate coolers full of bottles of beer (each held 12 bottle plus ice)

- the rule changed somewhere along the way to whatever you brought in had to fit under your seat (not that this was ever really enforced), again the 12 bottle playmate coolers worked great.

then there was the first night Big Game (1989?) where a lot of fights broke out (one in our section where a fellow dove over us to join a scrum a few rows below us).   That was the end of alcohol in the stadium.

Of course with in and out privileges many tailgate until kick-off and at halftime return to their tailgater for some more adult beverages then return for the second half.  If they would sell alcohol in the stadium I wonder if they would end in and out privileges.

You've got everything straight.  Here's my recollection, as the first ban happened when I was a student:

No, no alcohol was ever sold in Stanford Stadium 1.0.  But no one ever got stopped bringing in a beverage or two or three.
Then, something came out of the blue in the summer of 1978.  I knew this because I spent that summer on campus, working on a research project.  The Athletics Department announced it was banning alcohol starting Fall 1978.  Joe Ruetz was the then AD.  I have no idea what the motivation for the ban was.  But I did make note of the timing - summer, and there was no one around to protest.  So my senior year included tricks on getting booze into the stadium.  My old roommate would go the night before, stash a six pack in between the wooden walls along that inside walkway.  I'd take my camera with me and smuggle in a bottle placed in a telephoto lens case (nobody checked.)

That ban lasted just that 1978 season.  Ruetz retired and Andy Geiger stepped in at the end of the year.  (I remember this because I went to the rally at the Bluebonnet Bowl in Houston, and someone pointed out to me, "There's the new AD").  Geiger announced the recision of the ban sometime around the spring - I recall his statement of, "We're not here to legislate morality", and he was correct - there were never any problems with our fans.

You are correct about 1989.  It was the first night Big Game (and first with red pants with red jerseys), so it gave folks extra time to get lubed up.  I heard a story on the radio - apparently someone threw a partially filled beer can, causing a significant laceration, and that was it for alcohol.

[Embo]

my data is from 1979 to present, I do not recall there ever being alcoholic beverages being sold in the common areas of the football stadium.

My recollection of alcohol in the stadium

- initially you could bring in pretty much any alcohol you could carry.  As a student we'd sit in the student section and have a few playmate coolers full of bottles of beer (each held 12 bottle plus ice)

- the rule changed somewhere along the way to whatever you brought in had to fit under your seat (not that this was ever really enforced), again the 12 bottle playmate coolers worked great.

then there was the first night Big Game (1989?) where a lot of fights broke out (one in our section where a fellow dove over us to join a scrum a few rows below us).   That was the end of alcohol in the stadium.

Of course with in and out privileges many tailgate until kick-off and at halftime return to their tailgater for some more adult beverages then return for the second half.  If they would sell alcohol in the stadium I wonder if they would end in and out privileges.

You've got everything straight.  Here's my recollection, as the first ban happened when I was a student:

No, no alcohol was ever sold in Stanford Stadium 1.0.  But no one ever got stopped bringing in a beverage or two or three.
Then, something came out of the blue in the summer of 1978.  I knew this because I spent that summer on campus, working on a research project.  The Athletics Department announced it was banning alcohol starting Fall 1978.  Joe Ruetz was the then AD.  I have no idea what the motivation for the ban was.  But I did make note of the timing - summer, and there was no one around to protest.  So my senior year included tricks on getting booze into the stadium.  My old roommate would go the night before, stash a six pack in between the wooden walls along that inside walkway.  I'd take my camera with me and smuggle in a bottle placed in a telephoto lens case (nobody checked.)

That ban lasted just that 1978 season.  Ruetz retired and Andy Geiger stepped in at the end of the year.  (I remember this because I went to the rally at the Bluebonnet Bowl in Houston, and someone pointed out to me, "There's the new AD").  Geiger announced the recision of the ban sometime around the spring - I recall his statement of, "We're not here to legislate morality", and he was correct - there were never any problems with our fans.

You are correct about 1989.  It was the first night Big Game (and first with red pants with red jerseys), so it gave folks extra time to get lubed up.  I heard a story on the radio - apparently someone threw a partially filled beer can, causing a significant laceration, and that was it for alcohol.

[OutsiderFan]

This thread is great. 

Here I am, assuming college campuses have always banned alcohol and all these stories making clear alcohol had very little prohibition in the greater arc of history. Allowing sales now seems to be interpreted as a money grab more than anything else.  This may be true, but one can't escape the fact that whatever your stance on alcohol at college sports events, allowing it certainly does give back some lost personal liberties that were taken away previously.

I do think raising prices to discourage excessive consumption is a good idea if alcohol is sold in stadium, and I probably am OK with prohibiting a BYOB policy for similar reasons.  If people really want to get or stay loaded during a game, there is always the trusty flask that can easily escape security screening attention.

[OutsiderFan]

This thread is great. 

Here I am, assuming college campuses have always banned alcohol and all these stories making clear alcohol had very little prohibition in the greater arc of history. Allowing sales now seems to be interpreted as a money grab more than anything else.  This may be true, but one can't escape the fact that whatever your stance on alcohol at college sports events, allowing it certainly does give back some lost personal liberties that were taken away previously.

I do think raising prices to discourage excessive consumption is a good idea if alcohol is sold in stadium, and I probably am OK with prohibiting a BYOB policy for similar reasons.  If people really want to get or stay loaded during a game, there is always the trusty flask that can easily escape security screening attention.