The Ivy League is expected to make an announcement about fall sports on Wednesday.
Many insiders expect football to be moved to the spring.
Many insiders expect football to be moved to the spring.
Ivy League and Fall Sports
07-06-2020, 08:56 AM
(07-06-2020, 08:16 AM)Phogge Wrote: New Haven in March. Ugh.Is it worse than New Haven in February? Had a one-day visit to Yale once on Presidents Day weekend a number of years back and it was sleeting most of the day. Even the pigeons looked miserable.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(07-06-2020, 08:16 AM)Phogge Wrote: New Haven in March. Ugh.Is it worse than New Haven in February? Had a one-day visit to Yale once on Presidents Day weekend a number of years back and it was sleeting most of the day. Even the pigeons looked miserable.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
07-06-2020, 01:25 PM
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How does this affect our foreign students?
How does this affect our foreign students?
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How does this affect our foreign students?
How does this affect our foreign students?
(07-06-2020, 01:25 PM)BobK Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/reichlinmelnick/status/1280207487573069827?s=21[/tweet]
How does this affect our foreign students?
Well, if they get course credit for the sport that they play, then they are not taking all online classes...
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(07-06-2020, 01:25 PM)BobK Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/reichlinmelnick/status/1280207487573069827?s=21[/tweet]
How does this affect our foreign students?
Well, if they get course credit for the sport that they play, then they are not taking all online classes...
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
The news about foreign students is coming down on our head like a ton of bricks, with many confusing and unforeseen (or cynically seen) consequences.
For non immigrant foreign students to enroll in class at American Universities, they need F1 or M1 visas. As I understand it, without those visas they cannot enroll in college classes.
The new rule is as follows:
What will be the effect of this? I worry deeply that our foreign students who have not already started classes will be unable to get a visa. But it means that we will have to adopt the "hybrid model" and make sure that our foreign students have a plausible number of in-person classes. And that will hold regardless of how the pandemic heats up, and whether medical professionals think it wise to have in-person classes or not.
I can also explain the cynical reasons behind this order, but that would take me into politics.
For non immigrant foreign students to enroll in class at American Universities, they need F1 or M1 visas. As I understand it, without those visas they cannot enroll in college classes.
The new rule is as follows:
Quote:Temporary exemptions for the fall 2020 semester include:
1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States. The U.S. Department of State will not issue visas to students enrolled in schools and/or programs that are fully online for the fall semester nor will U.S. Customs and Border Protection permit these students to enter the United States. Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings.
2. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools operating under normal in-person classes are bound by existing federal regulations. Eligible F students may take a maximum of one class or three credit hours online.
3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid model—that is, a mixture of online and in person classes—will be allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, “Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,” certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program.The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online courses.
What will be the effect of this? I worry deeply that our foreign students who have not already started classes will be unable to get a visa. But it means that we will have to adopt the "hybrid model" and make sure that our foreign students have a plausible number of in-person classes. And that will hold regardless of how the pandemic heats up, and whether medical professionals think it wise to have in-person classes or not.
I can also explain the cynical reasons behind this order, but that would take me into politics.
The news about foreign students is coming down on our head like a ton of bricks, with many confusing and unforeseen (or cynically seen) consequences.
For non immigrant foreign students to enroll in class at American Universities, they need F1 or M1 visas. As I understand it, without those visas they cannot enroll in college classes.
The new rule is as follows:
What will be the effect of this? I worry deeply that our foreign students who have not already started classes will be unable to get a visa. But it means that we will have to adopt the "hybrid model" and make sure that our foreign students have a plausible number of in-person classes. And that will hold regardless of how the pandemic heats up, and whether medical professionals think it wise to have in-person classes or not.
I can also explain the cynical reasons behind this order, but that would take me into politics.
For non immigrant foreign students to enroll in class at American Universities, they need F1 or M1 visas. As I understand it, without those visas they cannot enroll in college classes.
The new rule is as follows:
Quote:Temporary exemptions for the fall 2020 semester include:
1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States. The U.S. Department of State will not issue visas to students enrolled in schools and/or programs that are fully online for the fall semester nor will U.S. Customs and Border Protection permit these students to enter the United States. Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings.
2. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools operating under normal in-person classes are bound by existing federal regulations. Eligible F students may take a maximum of one class or three credit hours online.
3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid model—that is, a mixture of online and in person classes—will be allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, “Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,” certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program.The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online courses.
What will be the effect of this? I worry deeply that our foreign students who have not already started classes will be unable to get a visa. But it means that we will have to adopt the "hybrid model" and make sure that our foreign students have a plausible number of in-person classes. And that will hold regardless of how the pandemic heats up, and whether medical professionals think it wise to have in-person classes or not.
I can also explain the cynical reasons behind this order, but that would take me into politics.
07-06-2020, 04:38 PM
If the surge continues to grow we won't be worrying about athletics and visa's. We will be worried about how we will get food while a martial law order keeps us in our homes.
07-06-2020, 07:55 PM
Princeton just announced their COVID-19 policy:
1) All classes are online.
2) Fall semester, freshmen and juniors are on campus. Spring semester, sophomores and seniors are on campus.
3) Every student gets a room to themselves, no sharing.
4) Dining halls, dining clubs, kitchens are open and subject to social distancing.
5) No parties, no socializing, no sports.
Hahvahd has a similar setup, I gether.
Boy is that going to suck. if my student was a rising freshman, I'd advise a gap year. I wouldn't be surprised if some colleges decided to make admissions good for one year only, and you have to reapply the next year.
1) All classes are online.
2) Fall semester, freshmen and juniors are on campus. Spring semester, sophomores and seniors are on campus.
3) Every student gets a room to themselves, no sharing.
4) Dining halls, dining clubs, kitchens are open and subject to social distancing.
5) No parties, no socializing, no sports.
Hahvahd has a similar setup, I gether.
Boy is that going to suck. if my student was a rising freshman, I'd advise a gap year. I wouldn't be surprised if some colleges decided to make admissions good for one year only, and you have to reapply the next year.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
Princeton just announced their COVID-19 policy:
1) All classes are online.
2) Fall semester, freshmen and juniors are on campus. Spring semester, sophomores and seniors are on campus.
3) Every student gets a room to themselves, no sharing.
4) Dining halls, dining clubs, kitchens are open and subject to social distancing.
5) No parties, no socializing, no sports.
Hahvahd has a similar setup, I gether.
Boy is that going to suck. if my student was a rising freshman, I'd advise a gap year. I wouldn't be surprised if some colleges decided to make admissions good for one year only, and you have to reapply the next year.
1) All classes are online.
2) Fall semester, freshmen and juniors are on campus. Spring semester, sophomores and seniors are on campus.
3) Every student gets a room to themselves, no sharing.
4) Dining halls, dining clubs, kitchens are open and subject to social distancing.
5) No parties, no socializing, no sports.
Hahvahd has a similar setup, I gether.
Boy is that going to suck. if my student was a rising freshman, I'd advise a gap year. I wouldn't be surprised if some colleges decided to make admissions good for one year only, and you have to reapply the next year.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
07-06-2020, 08:02 PM
(07-06-2020, 07:55 PM)Mick Wrote: Princeton just announced their COVID-19 policy:p
1) All classes are online.
2) Fall semester, freshmen and juniors are on campus. Spring semester, sophomores and seniors are on campus.
3) Every student gets a room to themselves, no sharing.
4) Dining halls, dining clubs, kitchens are open and subject to social distancing.
5) No parties, no socializing, no sports.
Hahvahd has a similar setup, I gether.
Boy is that going to suck. if my student was a rising freshman, I'd advise a gap year. I wouldn't be surprised if some colleges decided to make admissions good for one year only, and you have to reapply the next year.
Let me get this straight. A couple of hundred students on campus and no parties. Uh huh, yeah sure. One of my boys went to an all boys school with a sign on the lawn “keep off the grass.” Didn’t work too well but the head felt very righteous about his edict.
Of course maybe students at Princeton and Harvard don’t party .
(07-06-2020, 07:55 PM)Mick Wrote: Princeton just announced their COVID-19 policy:p
1) All classes are online.
2) Fall semester, freshmen and juniors are on campus. Spring semester, sophomores and seniors are on campus.
3) Every student gets a room to themselves, no sharing.
4) Dining halls, dining clubs, kitchens are open and subject to social distancing.
5) No parties, no socializing, no sports.
Hahvahd has a similar setup, I gether.
Boy is that going to suck. if my student was a rising freshman, I'd advise a gap year. I wouldn't be surprised if some colleges decided to make admissions good for one year only, and you have to reapply the next year.
Let me get this straight. A couple of hundred students on campus and no parties. Uh huh, yeah sure. One of my boys went to an all boys school with a sign on the lawn “keep off the grass.” Didn’t work too well but the head felt very righteous about his edict.
Of course maybe students at Princeton and Harvard don’t party .
07-06-2020, 08:11 PM
Harvard announcement
https://www.fas.harvard.edu/fas-decision...tuGJ5ZpBCc
Princeton announcement
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/07/0...demic-year
https://www.fas.harvard.edu/fas-decision...tuGJ5ZpBCc
Princeton announcement
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/07/0...demic-year
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
Harvard announcement
https://www.fas.harvard.edu/fas-decision...tuGJ5ZpBCc
Princeton announcement
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/07/0...demic-year
https://www.fas.harvard.edu/fas-decision...tuGJ5ZpBCc
Princeton announcement
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/07/0...demic-year
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
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(07-06-2020, 08:02 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Of course maybe students at Princeton and Harvard don’t party .
Visited Harvard with my performing arts group as a freshman in 2012.
Let's put it this way: They certainly try to party, but there's a reason the Ivies are FCS and we're P5!
07-07-2020, 06:19 AM
(07-06-2020, 08:02 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Let me get this straight. A couple of hundred students on campus and no parties. Uh huh, yeah sure. One of my boys went to an all boys school with a sign on the lawn “keep off the grass.” Didn’t work too well but the head felt very righteous about his edict.
Of course maybe students at Princeton and Harvard don’t party .
I don't know about the Harvard students. The Princeton students party pretty hard, judging from the few clues that I picked up from my sons, a fair number of Facebook shots and what I'd observed when I was on campus.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(07-06-2020, 08:02 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Let me get this straight. A couple of hundred students on campus and no parties. Uh huh, yeah sure. One of my boys went to an all boys school with a sign on the lawn “keep off the grass.” Didn’t work too well but the head felt very righteous about his edict.
Of course maybe students at Princeton and Harvard don’t party .
I don't know about the Harvard students. The Princeton students party pretty hard, judging from the few clues that I picked up from my sons, a fair number of Facebook shots and what I'd observed when I was on campus.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
07-08-2020, 08:56 AM
(07-08-2020, 08:33 AM)mbdude Wrote: Harvard and MIT suing Trump administration regarding ICE issue
Quote:Within the last hour, we filed pleadings together with MIT in the US District Court in Boston seeking a temporary restraining order prohibiting enforcement of the order. We will pursue this case vigorously so that our international students—and international students at institutions across the country—can continue their studies without the threat of deportation.
https://www.harvard.edu/president/news/2...l-students
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(07-08-2020, 08:33 AM)mbdude Wrote: Harvard and MIT suing Trump administration regarding ICE issue
Quote:Within the last hour, we filed pleadings together with MIT in the US District Court in Boston seeking a temporary restraining order prohibiting enforcement of the order. We will pursue this case vigorously so that our international students—and international students at institutions across the country—can continue their studies without the threat of deportation.
https://www.harvard.edu/president/news/2...l-students
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
07-08-2020, 01:00 PM
Yeah, this order affects more than an international student-athlete's ability to complete their non-classroom responsibilities. Many international--and domestic--students participate in research activities that can't be fulfilled online. That wasn't a big deal at my school in the spring, since a lot of research was shut down and international students were actually sent home while the university sorted out how to make the campus safer. But over the summer research labs are slowly reopening, and, at least in certain fields, they'll need to be staffed with a number of international graduate students.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
Yeah, this order affects more than an international student-athlete's ability to complete their non-classroom responsibilities. Many international--and domestic--students participate in research activities that can't be fulfilled online. That wasn't a big deal at my school in the spring, since a lot of research was shut down and international students were actually sent home while the university sorted out how to make the campus safer. But over the summer research labs are slowly reopening, and, at least in certain fields, they'll need to be staffed with a number of international graduate students.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
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07-08-2020, 01:30 PM
The announcement was made. All Ivy League fall sports cancelled. Football possibly played in the spring.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/iv...all-spring
https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/iv...all-spring
The announcement was made. All Ivy League fall sports cancelled. Football possibly played in the spring.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/iv...all-spring
https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/iv...all-spring
07-08-2020, 02:29 PM
(07-08-2020, 01:30 PM)paloalto Wrote: The announcement was made. All Ivy League fall sports cancelled. Football possibly played in the spring.Expected them to lead on this, so good for them.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/iv...all-spring
The Ivy League schools are based in the area of the country with the best COVID19 status at the moment, so hard to see how other conferences can plow forward.
I hope the NCAA announces a similar plan soon. Fall sport practices should be ramping up soon and in several states it is not even an option. In many states testing supplies and lab resources to conduct the tests are already stressed and at capacity. It would be a terrible look for a bunch healthy university athletes to stress that system even more with precautionary tests.
My guess is the NCAA will try to do a similar thing to the Ivy league plan and push everything into the Feb-May window.
(07-08-2020, 01:30 PM)paloalto Wrote: The announcement was made. All Ivy League fall sports cancelled. Football possibly played in the spring.Expected them to lead on this, so good for them.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/iv...all-spring
The Ivy League schools are based in the area of the country with the best COVID19 status at the moment, so hard to see how other conferences can plow forward.
I hope the NCAA announces a similar plan soon. Fall sport practices should be ramping up soon and in several states it is not even an option. In many states testing supplies and lab resources to conduct the tests are already stressed and at capacity. It would be a terrible look for a bunch healthy university athletes to stress that system even more with precautionary tests.
My guess is the NCAA will try to do a similar thing to the Ivy league plan and push everything into the Feb-May window.
07-08-2020, 03:38 PM
(07-08-2020, 02:29 PM)Farm93 Wrote: In many states testing supplies and lab resources to conduct the tests are already stressed and at capacity.If you have any links please post them. I thought we were at least beyond this problem. This would indeed invalidate the idea of a bubble (or anything like it) that was preserved by frequent testing.
(07-08-2020, 02:29 PM)Farm93 Wrote: In many states testing supplies and lab resources to conduct the tests are already stressed and at capacity.If you have any links please post them. I thought we were at least beyond this problem. This would indeed invalidate the idea of a bubble (or anything like it) that was preserved by frequent testing.
07-08-2020, 04:44 PM
(07-08-2020, 03:38 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-08-2020, 02:29 PM)Farm93 Wrote: In many states testing supplies and lab resources to conduct the tests are already stressed and at capacity.If you have any links please post them. I thought we were at least beyond this problem. This would indeed invalidate the idea of a bubble (or anything like it) that was preserved by frequent testing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/...index.html
Quote:Despite federal efforts to support testing in some cities and regions, three major diagnostic companies -- Quest Diagnostics, LabCorp and BioReference Laboratories -- said this week that the growing demand for tests have in turn increased average wait times for delivering results.
Quest said results now take an average of four to six days for the general population, much longer than the turnaround time in early June when the company was producing results in two to three days. The company said tests for hospital patients and symptomatic health care workers are prioritized and take one day on average. Quest cited "unprecedented demand," especially in the South, Southwest and Western regions of the country where coronavirus cases are spiking.
Somehow, I think that players in a "bubble" would get prioritized as well. But this does make testing and tracing more difficult.
BC
(07-08-2020, 03:38 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-08-2020, 02:29 PM)Farm93 Wrote: In many states testing supplies and lab resources to conduct the tests are already stressed and at capacity.If you have any links please post them. I thought we were at least beyond this problem. This would indeed invalidate the idea of a bubble (or anything like it) that was preserved by frequent testing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/...index.html
Quote:Despite federal efforts to support testing in some cities and regions, three major diagnostic companies -- Quest Diagnostics, LabCorp and BioReference Laboratories -- said this week that the growing demand for tests have in turn increased average wait times for delivering results.
Quest said results now take an average of four to six days for the general population, much longer than the turnaround time in early June when the company was producing results in two to three days. The company said tests for hospital patients and symptomatic health care workers are prioritized and take one day on average. Quest cited "unprecedented demand," especially in the South, Southwest and Western regions of the country where coronavirus cases are spiking.
Somehow, I think that players in a "bubble" would get prioritized as well. But this does make testing and tracing more difficult.
BC
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