[lex24]

Is there any way the Pac-12 could’ve screwed this whole thing up any more completely than it did? If there was any qualms before about sending Larry Scott packing, the absolute incompetence in which this season has (and has not) gone forward should be the final straw.

As for calling USC- Oregon  a “title game” – that is a joke. In fact but they probably should’ve done is let USC play Colorado.

[lex24]

Is there any way the Pac-12 could’ve screwed this whole thing up any more completely than it did? If there was any qualms before about sending Larry Scott packing, the absolute incompetence in which this season has (and has not) gone forward should be the final straw.

As for calling USC- Oregon  a “title game” – that is a joke. In fact but they probably should’ve done is let USC play Colorado.

[OutsiderFan]

Is there any way the Pac-12 could’ve screwed this whole thing up any more completely than it did? If there was any qualms before about sending Larry Scott packing, the absolute incompetence in which this season has (and has not) gone forward should be the final straw.

As for calling USC- Oregon  a “title game” – that is a joke. In fact but they probably should’ve done is let USC play Colorado.

[OutsiderFan]

Is there any way the Pac-12 could’ve screwed this whole thing up any more completely than it did? If there was any qualms before about sending Larry Scott packing, the absolute incompetence in which this season has (and has not) gone forward should be the final straw.

As for calling USC- Oregon  a “title game” – that is a joke. In fact but they probably should’ve done is let USC play Colorado.

[Farm93]

PAC-12 is a conference of unity and organization compared to BigTen.  

They postponed the season without unanimous agreement.  The dissenters were unhappy and complained constantly. 

The league restarted even while cases in the region were soaring.   

They had conference championship participation rules that were convenient edited in the last week to get tOSU in the championship.  

Oh and they left a key conference rivalry game for the last week.  Which meant the conference’s most important game was canceled. 

The PAC-12’s issues don’t compare and many were government mandated rather than league missteps. 

FWIW Oregon at its best is better than Colorado.   Colorado may have had an argument if they beat Utah.  

Going deeper in the division is not unprecedented.  The very first PAC-12 CG featured a really weak UCLA when SC could not play rather than take the next best team available (Stanford)

[Farm93]

PAC-12 is a conference of unity and organization compared to BigTen.  

They postponed the season without unanimous agreement.  The dissenters were unhappy and complained constantly. 

The league restarted even while cases in the region were soaring.   

They had conference championship participation rules that were convenient edited in the last week to get tOSU in the championship.  

Oh and they left a key conference rivalry game for the last week.  Which meant the conference’s most important game was canceled. 

The PAC-12’s issues don’t compare and many were government mandated rather than league missteps. 

FWIW Oregon at its best is better than Colorado.   Colorado may have had an argument if they beat Utah.  

Going deeper in the division is not unprecedented.  The very first PAC-12 CG featured a really weak UCLA when SC could not play rather than take the next best team available (Stanford)

[BostonCard]

I can't stop watching that gif.

BC

[BostonCard]

I can't stop watching that gif.

BC

[teejers1]

I can't stop watching that gif.

BC

It is an outstanding gif!!

BTW, the dig on B10 for missing the league's biggest matchup - think Farm93 means tOSU v. Michigan - no one cares . . . especially this year.  tOSU gets "in" the CCG and Michigan avoids another beat down.  Win-win, right?

Random comment:  not that we'll ever see it, but I'd be interested in reading a compilation of all players who tested positive and sat out a game (or games) due to Covid; all players who sat out games due to "close contact" quarantining protocols (without first testing positive); and how many in group 2, also ended up in Group 1.  And given Mills' situation, you probably want to include number of kids who sat out games due to inaccurate positive test (or whatever it was that forced Mills and "close contacts" of his to sit out Oregon game).

[teejers1]

I can't stop watching that gif.

BC

It is an outstanding gif!!

BTW, the dig on B10 for missing the league's biggest matchup - think Farm93 means tOSU v. Michigan - no one cares . . . especially this year.  tOSU gets "in" the CCG and Michigan avoids another beat down.  Win-win, right?

Random comment:  not that we'll ever see it, but I'd be interested in reading a compilation of all players who tested positive and sat out a game (or games) due to Covid; all players who sat out games due to "close contact" quarantining protocols (without first testing positive); and how many in group 2, also ended up in Group 1.  And given Mills' situation, you probably want to include number of kids who sat out games due to inaccurate positive test (or whatever it was that forced Mills and "close contacts" of his to sit out Oregon game).

[Treebound]

Awesome gif!
I echo TJ's call for info: specifically, what really happened to Davis Mills that kept him out of our first game and from practicing the entire week before the Colorado game?  

I've heard "false positive," but I've also heard it was a bigger mistake that caused Larry Scott/Pac12 to issue an apology.  Does anyone have more info on what started our Covid Season off with such a thundering thud?   I don't know about the outcome of the Oregon game, but I think we would have easily won the Buff game with a healthy, well practiced Mills, Weddington, etc...  What a mess of a "season."

[Treebound]

Awesome gif!
I echo TJ's call for info: specifically, what really happened to Davis Mills that kept him out of our first game and from practicing the entire week before the Colorado game?  

I've heard "false positive," but I've also heard it was a bigger mistake that caused Larry Scott/Pac12 to issue an apology.  Does anyone have more info on what started our Covid Season off with such a thundering thud?   I don't know about the outcome of the Oregon game, but I think we would have easily won the Buff game with a healthy, well practiced Mills, Weddington, etc...  What a mess of a "season."

[BostonCard]

I can't stop watching that gif.

BC

It is an outstanding gif!!

BTW, the dig on B10 for missing the league's biggest matchup - think Farm93 means tOSU v. Michigan - no one cares . . . especially this year.  tOSU gets "in" the CCG and Michigan avoids another beat down.  Win-win, right?

Random comment:  not that we'll ever see it, but I'd be interested in reading a compilation of all players who tested positive and sat out a game (or games) due to Covid; all players who sat out games due to "close contact" quarantining protocols (without first testing positive); and how many in group 2, also ended up in Group 1.  And given Mills' situation, you probably want to include number of kids who sat out games due to inaccurate positive test (or whatever it was that forced Mills and "close contacts" of his to sit out Oregon game).

This is the closest you are going to get:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/sport...tball.html

The Times also laments the lack of transparency from schools:

The remaining schools, many of them public institutions, released no statistics or limited information about their athletic departments, or they stopped providing data just ahead of football season. This had the effect of drawing a curtain of secrecy around college sports during the gravest public health crisis in the United States in a century.

BC

[BostonCard]

I can't stop watching that gif.

BC

It is an outstanding gif!!

BTW, the dig on B10 for missing the league's biggest matchup - think Farm93 means tOSU v. Michigan - no one cares . . . especially this year.  tOSU gets "in" the CCG and Michigan avoids another beat down.  Win-win, right?

Random comment:  not that we'll ever see it, but I'd be interested in reading a compilation of all players who tested positive and sat out a game (or games) due to Covid; all players who sat out games due to "close contact" quarantining protocols (without first testing positive); and how many in group 2, also ended up in Group 1.  And given Mills' situation, you probably want to include number of kids who sat out games due to inaccurate positive test (or whatever it was that forced Mills and "close contacts" of his to sit out Oregon game).

This is the closest you are going to get:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/sport...tball.html

The Times also laments the lack of transparency from schools:

The remaining schools, many of them public institutions, released no statistics or limited information about their athletic departments, or they stopped providing data just ahead of football season. This had the effect of drawing a curtain of secrecy around college sports during the gravest public health crisis in the United States in a century.

BC

[slide]

a "protocol" error

what is the expiration date of Larry as Pac-12 commissioner?

[slide]

a "protocol" error

what is the expiration date of Larry as Pac-12 commissioner?

[CardinalSagehen]

I don't have an enormous issue with Oregon replacing Washington, but the way the conference arrived here was truly farcical.  It was eminently well known that UW was at very high risk of not being able to play this week, due to COVID contact tracing. In fact, it would have required a change in public policy in their county (duration of quarantine) to allow it.  Nevertheless, the Pac-12 announced all the matchups on Sunday rather than waiting until Monday or just forcing UW to give them an answer by Sunday. 

As a result of the Pac-12's buffoonery, the team with the second-best record, Colorado, is left at the altar without anyone to play.  That should have been the fate of a team near the bottom of the division, not one of the most deserving teams.  (Of course, two of those bottom-dwelling teams, Cal and Arizona, announced the cancelation of their game due to Covid just a few hours after the league announced the scheduling of their game - yet another day in the life of the cluster-fluck that is the Pac-12!).  It's also unclear that Colorado will be allowed or able to find a non-con opponent, because the Pac-12 has stated that Colorado would be the back-up for SC.

I'm all in favor of giving people a break because this Covid situation is new and unpredictable, but this egg-on-face moment was foreseeable by any sentient being and entirely avoidable. It's the latest in a seemingly endless series of missteps and lazy thinking that has tanked the conference in the big revenue sports. 

For me, the faceplant GIF fully applies (and it's mesmerizing, by the way.)  It's high time for Larry Scott to pack up the tens of millions of dollars that he has stolen from the conference and move on.  In the highly unlikely case that he is renewed, the conference will truly deserve to be the laughingstock that it has already become.

[CardinalSagehen]

I don't have an enormous issue with Oregon replacing Washington, but the way the conference arrived here was truly farcical.  It was eminently well known that UW was at very high risk of not being able to play this week, due to COVID contact tracing. In fact, it would have required a change in public policy in their county (duration of quarantine) to allow it.  Nevertheless, the Pac-12 announced all the matchups on Sunday rather than waiting until Monday or just forcing UW to give them an answer by Sunday. 

As a result of the Pac-12's buffoonery, the team with the second-best record, Colorado, is left at the altar without anyone to play.  That should have been the fate of a team near the bottom of the division, not one of the most deserving teams.  (Of course, two of those bottom-dwelling teams, Cal and Arizona, announced the cancelation of their game due to Covid just a few hours after the league announced the scheduling of their game - yet another day in the life of the cluster-fluck that is the Pac-12!).  It's also unclear that Colorado will be allowed or able to find a non-con opponent, because the Pac-12 has stated that Colorado would be the back-up for SC.

I'm all in favor of giving people a break because this Covid situation is new and unpredictable, but this egg-on-face moment was foreseeable by any sentient being and entirely avoidable. It's the latest in a seemingly endless series of missteps and lazy thinking that has tanked the conference in the big revenue sports. 

For me, the faceplant GIF fully applies (and it's mesmerizing, by the way.)  It's high time for Larry Scott to pack up the tens of millions of dollars that he has stolen from the conference and move on.  In the highly unlikely case that he is renewed, the conference will truly deserve to be the laughingstock that it has already become.

[CompSci87]

a "protocol" error

What I recall hearing is that the test result was "inconclusive" and the Pac-12 wrongly treated it as a positive test.

I imagine the correct protocol would either have been to retest immediately, or at most to quarantine only until the results of the next regular daily test were available and came out negative.

[CompSci87]

a "protocol" error

What I recall hearing is that the test result was "inconclusive" and the Pac-12 wrongly treated it as a positive test.

I imagine the correct protocol would either have been to retest immediately, or at most to quarantine only until the results of the next regular daily test were available and came out negative.

[Farm93]

BTW, the dig on B10 for missing the league's biggest matchup - think Farm93 means tOSU v. Michigan - no one cares . . . especially this year.  tOSU gets "in" the CCG and Michigan avoids another beat down.  Win-win, right?

That's the game, and it is THE game.   BigTen's best rated regular season game of the year, every year.   I realize Michigan was awful, but the BigTen should have put that game up in mid-November just to make sure it would happen.  They were "lucky" Michigan was bad because if Michigan was good the BigTen commissioner would have had to explain why the most important regular season game was left for mid-December when they knew COVID would/could be an issue.

The point was that the BigTen leaders handled COVID far less successfully than the Pac-12.   The only difference is that the BigTen has tOSU, so a CFP invite will overwhelm all of their mistakes.   

Wisconsin not getting games.  Penn State and Michigan playing like they never saw a football game before.   Nebraska screaming for a season, and then stinking up the conference with ugly losses.

Larry Scott is overpaid, but UW suffering from COVID late in the season is not his fault.   The Pac-12 CG is a key part of our entertainment offering, every conference if in a similar situation would do the same thing.   They would each find the next team in line and broadcast that game to secure the revenue associated with that game.   

As it is only Monday, given the realities of COVID in the USA it would not shock me at all to see another conference or two in a similar situation later in the week.

[Farm93]

BTW, the dig on B10 for missing the league's biggest matchup - think Farm93 means tOSU v. Michigan - no one cares . . . especially this year.  tOSU gets "in" the CCG and Michigan avoids another beat down.  Win-win, right?

That's the game, and it is THE game.   BigTen's best rated regular season game of the year, every year.   I realize Michigan was awful, but the BigTen should have put that game up in mid-November just to make sure it would happen.  They were "lucky" Michigan was bad because if Michigan was good the BigTen commissioner would have had to explain why the most important regular season game was left for mid-December when they knew COVID would/could be an issue.

The point was that the BigTen leaders handled COVID far less successfully than the Pac-12.   The only difference is that the BigTen has tOSU, so a CFP invite will overwhelm all of their mistakes.   

Wisconsin not getting games.  Penn State and Michigan playing like they never saw a football game before.   Nebraska screaming for a season, and then stinking up the conference with ugly losses.

Larry Scott is overpaid, but UW suffering from COVID late in the season is not his fault.   The Pac-12 CG is a key part of our entertainment offering, every conference if in a similar situation would do the same thing.   They would each find the next team in line and broadcast that game to secure the revenue associated with that game.   

As it is only Monday, given the realities of COVID in the USA it would not shock me at all to see another conference or two in a similar situation later in the week.