[chrisk]

DaSilva didn’t play he is hurt.

And he looked like he was limping on the sidelines.   Couldn't see if he was wearing a boot or not.  They said "day to day."

described as lower extremity

[chrisk]

DaSilva didn’t play he is hurt.

And he looked like he was limping on the sidelines.   Couldn't see if he was wearing a boot or not.  They said "day to day."

described as lower extremity

[winflop]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

[winflop]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

[Brickcity]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

If you're concerned about the talent level on this team diminishing, firing Haase would be about the worse thing Muir could do. Yes, it's true that Haase has work to do in terms of getting more out of his talent. But, you'd be hard pressed to find another coach at Stanford who gets anywhere near the talent that he does. Moreover, cycling through yet another coach post-Montgomery...I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but one might as well put a fork in the program if that happens. 

[Brickcity]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

If you're concerned about the talent level on this team diminishing, firing Haase would be about the worse thing Muir could do. Yes, it's true that Haase has work to do in terms of getting more out of his talent. But, you'd be hard pressed to find another coach at Stanford who gets anywhere near the talent that he does. Moreover, cycling through yet another coach post-Montgomery...I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but one might as well put a fork in the program if that happens. 

[lex24]

Wow, that last minute is a perfect microcosm for Stanford basketball under Jerod Haase.

It’s not Haase fault that Williams went through Duarte on a long three point shot and then released instead of coming back for a potential rebound. Long rebounds are common when someone misses a very long shot. Williams took himself out of position. 

Nor is it his fault that Oregon had 3 fouls to give on last possession.  (Can’t remember last time I saw a team with 3 team fouls with 11 seconds left in second half of a close game). 

They have had 3 key players out most of the Pac-12 session.  And played without their best player tonight.  Frankly I think they’ve performed fairly well under the circumstances.  And it’s not hard to figure why they’d struggle down the stretch of close games when the  3 guys you want handling the ball at crunch time are out.

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Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

Davis and Williams have missed a brobdingnagian chunk of this year.  But/for losing Davis,Wills and Williams for most the Pac-12 year, they’d be a tournament team.  They don’t have near the depth to handle those losses.

[lex24]

Wow, that last minute is a perfect microcosm for Stanford basketball under Jerod Haase.

It’s not Haase fault that Williams went through Duarte on a long three point shot and then released instead of coming back for a potential rebound. Long rebounds are common when someone misses a very long shot. Williams took himself out of position. 

Nor is it his fault that Oregon had 3 fouls to give on last possession.  (Can’t remember last time I saw a team with 3 team fouls with 11 seconds left in second half of a close game). 

They have had 3 key players out most of the Pac-12 session.  And played without their best player tonight.  Frankly I think they’ve performed fairly well under the circumstances.  And it’s not hard to figure why they’d struggle down the stretch of close games when the  3 guys you want handling the ball at crunch time are out.

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Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

Davis and Williams have missed a brobdingnagian chunk of this year.  But/for losing Davis,Wills and Williams for most the Pac-12 year, they’d be a tournament team.  They don’t have near the depth to handle those losses.

[JohnR34231]

Wow, that last minute is a perfect microcosm for Stanford basketball under Jerod Haase.

It’s not Haase fault that Williams went through Duarte on a long three point shot and then released instead of coming back for a potential rebound. Long rebounds are common when someone misses a very long shot. Williams took himself out of position. 

Nor is it his fault that Oregon had 3 fouls to give on last possession.  (Can’t remember last time I saw a team with 3 team fouls with 11 seconds left in second half of a close game). 

They have had 3 key players out most of the Pac-12 session.  And played without their best player tonight.  Frankly I think they’ve performed fairly well under the circumstances.  And it’s not hard to figure why they’d struggle down the stretch of close games when the  3 guys you want handling the ball at crunch time are out.

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Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

Davis and Williams have missed a of immense proportions chunk of this year.  But/for losing Davis,Wills and Williams for most the Pac-12 year, they’d be a tournament team.  They don’t have near the depth to handle those losses.

Hopefully one of these years (and sooner rather than later) we won't have to come up with excuses why we didn't make the tournament.

[JohnR34231]

Wow, that last minute is a perfect microcosm for Stanford basketball under Jerod Haase.

It’s not Haase fault that Williams went through Duarte on a long three point shot and then released instead of coming back for a potential rebound. Long rebounds are common when someone misses a very long shot. Williams took himself out of position. 

Nor is it his fault that Oregon had 3 fouls to give on last possession.  (Can’t remember last time I saw a team with 3 team fouls with 11 seconds left in second half of a close game). 

They have had 3 key players out most of the Pac-12 session.  And played without their best player tonight.  Frankly I think they’ve performed fairly well under the circumstances.  And it’s not hard to figure why they’d struggle down the stretch of close games when the  3 guys you want handling the ball at crunch time are out.

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Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

Davis and Williams have missed a of immense proportions chunk of this year.  But/for losing Davis,Wills and Williams for most the Pac-12 year, they’d be a tournament team.  They don’t have near the depth to handle those losses.

Hopefully one of these years (and sooner rather than later) we won't have to come up with excuses why we didn't make the tournament.

[winflop]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

If you're concerned about the talent level on this team diminishing, firing Haase would be about the worse thing Muir could do. Yes, it's true that Haase has work to do in terms of getting more out of his talent. But, you'd be hard pressed to find another coach at Stanford who gets anywhere near the talent that he does. Moreover, cycling through yet another coach post-Montgomery...I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but one might as well put a fork in the program if that happens. 

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

[winflop]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

If you're concerned about the talent level on this team diminishing, firing Haase would be about the worse thing Muir could do. Yes, it's true that Haase has work to do in terms of getting more out of his talent. But, you'd be hard pressed to find another coach at Stanford who gets anywhere near the talent that he does. Moreover, cycling through yet another coach post-Montgomery...I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but one might as well put a fork in the program if that happens. 

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

[Phogge]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

If you're concerned about the talent level on this team diminishing, firing Haase would be about the worse thing Muir could do. Yes, it's true that Haase has work to do in terms of getting more out of his talent. But, you'd be hard pressed to find another coach at Stanford who gets anywhere near the talent that he does. Moreover, cycling through yet another coach post-Montgomery...I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but one might as well put a fork in the program if that happens. 

The fork is tightly embedded.

[Phogge]

Tried to watch but after 5 mins of Walton’s blather I couldn’t stomach it. Tough loss. I think anything short of winning the class two and making the semis if not the finals and we aren’t dancing

I know Muir won’t fire Haase but he should. Next years team is not going to be as talented without Davis, Da Silva, and Williams. Might as well get the next guy in here and give him an extra year with a young roster

If you're concerned about the talent level on this team diminishing, firing Haase would be about the worse thing Muir could do. Yes, it's true that Haase has work to do in terms of getting more out of his talent. But, you'd be hard pressed to find another coach at Stanford who gets anywhere near the talent that he does. Moreover, cycling through yet another coach post-Montgomery...I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but one might as well put a fork in the program if that happens. 

The fork is tightly embedded.

[AlbanyCardinal]

Hadn't heard that Stanford has the most talent in the conference. Can't see how anyone would argue that, but I agree that the results are falling short of the talent, especially by the end of last season. This season's a wash, no matter if Stanford were to lose the rest of its games. Like it or not, he's going nowhere after this bizarre season, especially if you factor in the finances of it. I think Bobbb mentioned he likely has two more years after this one to prove himself. (Seven-year itch?)

As for talent next season, I don't feel as strongly as you that it will plummet so severely. Wills, Jones, O'Connell, Delaire, Taitz, Murrell, Kisunas, Ingram, Moss, and Silva. I'm pretty confident in the first four and hope four of the last six improve and/or hit the ground running. There are certainly question marks, but I don't think it's automatic that this team will fall off a cliff talent-wise. (I sure wish we had a beefy center in the mix, but that's another story.) Now, whether Haase can sustain success across a season and get his team over the hump is another matter altogether.

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

[AlbanyCardinal]

Hadn't heard that Stanford has the most talent in the conference. Can't see how anyone would argue that, but I agree that the results are falling short of the talent, especially by the end of last season. This season's a wash, no matter if Stanford were to lose the rest of its games. Like it or not, he's going nowhere after this bizarre season, especially if you factor in the finances of it. I think Bobbb mentioned he likely has two more years after this one to prove himself. (Seven-year itch?)

As for talent next season, I don't feel as strongly as you that it will plummet so severely. Wills, Jones, O'Connell, Delaire, Taitz, Murrell, Kisunas, Ingram, Moss, and Silva. I'm pretty confident in the first four and hope four of the last six improve and/or hit the ground running. There are certainly question marks, but I don't think it's automatic that this team will fall off a cliff talent-wise. (I sure wish we had a beefy center in the mix, but that's another story.) Now, whether Haase can sustain success across a season and get his team over the hump is another matter altogether.

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

[VB Card]

Hadn't heard that Stanford has the most talent in the conference. Can't see how anyone would argue that, but I agree that the results are falling short of the talent, especially by the end of last season. This season's a wash, no matter if Stanford were to lose the rest of its games. Like it or not, he's going nowhere after this bizarre season, especially if you factor in the finances of it. I think Bobbb mentioned he likely has two more years after this one to prove himself. (Seven-year itch?)

As for talent next season, I don't feel as strongly as you that it will plummet so severely. Wills, Jones, O'Connell, Delaire, Taitz, Murrell, Kisunas, Ingram, Moss, and Silva. I'm pretty confident in the first four and hope four of the last six improve and/or hit the ground running. There are certainly question marks, but I don't think it's automatic that this team will fall off a cliff talent-wise. (I sure wish we had a beefy center in the mix, but that's another story.) Now, whether Haase can sustain success across a season and get his team over the hump is another matter altogether.

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

 

Many people have said Stanford has the most talent in the conference and the only team that I would wager has more talent, is the only team underperforming more than us: Arizona State. We have a Pac-12 Player of the Year candidate, a future top 10 pick, and the best defensive backcourt in the conference. Looking at the teams ahead of us in the standings, USC has Evan Mobley who is both a POY and Freshman of the Year candidate but the rest of the roster is meh. UCLA doesn't have a POY candidate and is made up of a bunch of solid, but not great players. Colorado has Wright who is a POY candidate and a promising freshman in Jabari Walker. But no one else who would piut them over the edge in regard to talent. Finally, Oregon has Duarte and a bunch of solid pieces. It is completely reasonable to say that Stanford is the most talented team in the conference, and that  is why many pundits have said so.

[VB Card]

Hadn't heard that Stanford has the most talent in the conference. Can't see how anyone would argue that, but I agree that the results are falling short of the talent, especially by the end of last season. This season's a wash, no matter if Stanford were to lose the rest of its games. Like it or not, he's going nowhere after this bizarre season, especially if you factor in the finances of it. I think Bobbb mentioned he likely has two more years after this one to prove himself. (Seven-year itch?)

As for talent next season, I don't feel as strongly as you that it will plummet so severely. Wills, Jones, O'Connell, Delaire, Taitz, Murrell, Kisunas, Ingram, Moss, and Silva. I'm pretty confident in the first four and hope four of the last six improve and/or hit the ground running. There are certainly question marks, but I don't think it's automatic that this team will fall off a cliff talent-wise. (I sure wish we had a beefy center in the mix, but that's another story.) Now, whether Haase can sustain success across a season and get his team over the hump is another matter altogether.

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

 

Many people have said Stanford has the most talent in the conference and the only team that I would wager has more talent, is the only team underperforming more than us: Arizona State. We have a Pac-12 Player of the Year candidate, a future top 10 pick, and the best defensive backcourt in the conference. Looking at the teams ahead of us in the standings, USC has Evan Mobley who is both a POY and Freshman of the Year candidate but the rest of the roster is meh. UCLA doesn't have a POY candidate and is made up of a bunch of solid, but not great players. Colorado has Wright who is a POY candidate and a promising freshman in Jabari Walker. But no one else who would piut them over the edge in regard to talent. Finally, Oregon has Duarte and a bunch of solid pieces. It is completely reasonable to say that Stanford is the most talented team in the conference, and that  is why many pundits have said so.

[AlbanyCardinal]

Touché. I've certainly heard the defensive backcourt part, but I think UCLA and Oregon have better talent and depth. I also think we're missing pieces of the puzzle that others teams aren't. They get transfers, round out their depth, etc. How many teams in the conference would start Kisunas? I just don't see it and haven't seen it all year, but I believe you that pundits have said as much.

Hadn't heard that Stanford has the most talent in the conference. Can't see how anyone would argue that, but I agree that the results are falling short of the talent, especially by the end of last season. This season's a wash, no matter if Stanford were to lose the rest of its games. Like it or not, he's going nowhere after this bizarre season, especially if you factor in the finances of it. I think Bobbb mentioned he likely has two more years after this one to prove himself. (Seven-year itch?)

As for talent next season, I don't feel as strongly as you that it will plummet so severely. Wills, Jones, O'Connell, Delaire, Taitz, Murrell, Kisunas, Ingram, Moss, and Silva. I'm pretty confident in the first four and hope four of the last six improve and/or hit the ground running. There are certainly question marks, but I don't think it's automatic that this team will fall off a cliff talent-wise. (I sure wish we had a beefy center in the mix, but that's another story.) Now, whether Haase can sustain success across a season and get his team over the hump is another matter altogether.

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

 

Many people have said Stanford has the most talent in the conference and the only team that I would wager has more talent, is the only team underperforming more than us: Arizona State. We have a Pac-12 Player of the Year candidate, a future top 10 pick, and the best defensive backcourt in the conference. Looking at the teams ahead of us in the standings, USC has Evan Mobley who is both a POY and Freshman of the Year candidate but the rest of the roster is meh. UCLA doesn't have a POY candidate and is made up of a bunch of solid, but not great players. Colorado has Wright who is a POY candidate and a promising freshman in Jabari Walker. But no one else who would piut them over the edge in regard to talent. Finally, Oregon has Duarte and a bunch of solid pieces. It is completely reasonable to say that Stanford is the most talented team in the conference, and that  is why many pundits have said so.

[AlbanyCardinal]

Touché. I've certainly heard the defensive backcourt part, but I think UCLA and Oregon have better talent and depth. I also think we're missing pieces of the puzzle that others teams aren't. They get transfers, round out their depth, etc. How many teams in the conference would start Kisunas? I just don't see it and haven't seen it all year, but I believe you that pundits have said as much.

Hadn't heard that Stanford has the most talent in the conference. Can't see how anyone would argue that, but I agree that the results are falling short of the talent, especially by the end of last season. This season's a wash, no matter if Stanford were to lose the rest of its games. Like it or not, he's going nowhere after this bizarre season, especially if you factor in the finances of it. I think Bobbb mentioned he likely has two more years after this one to prove himself. (Seven-year itch?)

As for talent next season, I don't feel as strongly as you that it will plummet so severely. Wills, Jones, O'Connell, Delaire, Taitz, Murrell, Kisunas, Ingram, Moss, and Silva. I'm pretty confident in the first four and hope four of the last six improve and/or hit the ground running. There are certainly question marks, but I don't think it's automatic that this team will fall off a cliff talent-wise. (I sure wish we had a beefy center in the mix, but that's another story.) Now, whether Haase can sustain success across a season and get his team over the hump is another matter altogether.

My point is that next year's team is highly unlikely to be able to make the tournament because of the losses from this year's team, and I think Haase should not have a job beyond next year if he can't get to the tournament. Given the low odds for next season, might as well get started.

Haase is a great recruiter in terms of getting talent in the door, but after five years of middling results - especially last year and this year - it doesn't appear that he can develop that talent into a good enough team. I've heard several analysts say that this year's roster is the most talented in the conference, and yet we are once again mired in mediocrity and not looking good for making the tournament.

The larger issue for me is Muir. He's supposed to be a basketball guy, and yet he appears to have now blown it twice with this program - first by not firing Dawkins sooner and second by hiring Haase. Won't go into the other problems under his tenure, but that list is growing longer every year.

 

Many people have said Stanford has the most talent in the conference and the only team that I would wager has more talent, is the only team underperforming more than us: Arizona State. We have a Pac-12 Player of the Year candidate, a future top 10 pick, and the best defensive backcourt in the conference. Looking at the teams ahead of us in the standings, USC has Evan Mobley who is both a POY and Freshman of the Year candidate but the rest of the roster is meh. UCLA doesn't have a POY candidate and is made up of a bunch of solid, but not great players. Colorado has Wright who is a POY candidate and a promising freshman in Jabari Walker. But no one else who would piut them over the edge in regard to talent. Finally, Oregon has Duarte and a bunch of solid pieces. It is completely reasonable to say that Stanford is the most talented team in the conference, and that  is why many pundits have said so.

[old spanish trail]

Speaking of depth in the post, Kisunas, and Mobley, it's important to remember that Mobley was most likely headed to the Farm until his father was hired as an asst at SC. That took us a bit by surprise and meant we spent alot of chips that recruiting season on a guy who went elsewhere. We have suffered from the gap but there must be an admittable big somewhere who would provide bulk and rebounding. He doesn't need to be an offensive star. Think Rob Little, etc. What happened to the potential Yale transfer?

[old spanish trail]

Speaking of depth in the post, Kisunas, and Mobley, it's important to remember that Mobley was most likely headed to the Farm until his father was hired as an asst at SC. That took us a bit by surprise and meant we spent alot of chips that recruiting season on a guy who went elsewhere. We have suffered from the gap but there must be an admittable big somewhere who would provide bulk and rebounding. He doesn't need to be an offensive star. Think Rob Little, etc. What happened to the potential Yale transfer?

[Brickcity]

Speaking of depth in the post, Kisunas, and Mobley, it's important to remember that Mobley was most likely headed to the Farm until his father was hired as an asst at SC. That took us a bit by surprise and meant we spent alot of chips that recruiting season on a guy who went elsewhere. We have suffered from the gap but there must be an admittable big somewhere who would provide bulk and rebounding. He doesn't need to be an offensive star. Think Rob Little, etc. What happened to the potential Yale transfer?

The Yale transfer went elsewhere, don't remember where. I too have wondered why we've struggled to bring in a solid big man, given how well Haase has recruited at other positions. That said, I know Stanford is actively recruiting a number of high level power-forwards for the 2022 class. Some of whom could probably play at the 5 in Stanford's system. Meaning 6'8" to 6'9" guys who are built roughly like Kasunas but appear to be more athletic and skilled.

[Brickcity]

Speaking of depth in the post, Kisunas, and Mobley, it's important to remember that Mobley was most likely headed to the Farm until his father was hired as an asst at SC. That took us a bit by surprise and meant we spent alot of chips that recruiting season on a guy who went elsewhere. We have suffered from the gap but there must be an admittable big somewhere who would provide bulk and rebounding. He doesn't need to be an offensive star. Think Rob Little, etc. What happened to the potential Yale transfer?

The Yale transfer went elsewhere, don't remember where. I too have wondered why we've struggled to bring in a solid big man, given how well Haase has recruited at other positions. That said, I know Stanford is actively recruiting a number of high level power-forwards for the 2022 class. Some of whom could probably play at the 5 in Stanford's system. Meaning 6'8" to 6'9" guys who are built roughly like Kasunas but appear to be more athletic and skilled.

[Spiny_Norman]

I would ask everyone here who has seen the other conference teams play, where do YOU think Stanford ranks among the talent levels in the P12? I think "pundits" over-weight recruiting stars.

For me, "talent" covers basketball fundamentals like shooting and taking care of the ball. Stanford is last in the conference in 3 point shooting. Last in % and last in total made per game. Offensive success in college ball nowadays is dependent on making 3 pointers. When you have 3 or 4 guys on the court who are threats to make 3s, it opens things up for other options too. As the numbers show, this is not a strength of the team. Now Stanford is shooting an incredible 54% on 2 pointers which is fantastic and a reason that they have had some success this year. But who are the top 3 point shooting teams in the conference? Arizona, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Colorado - all of the top 4 teams in the standings! I think there is a correlation here.

We also see Stanford dead last in the conference in turnovers.

This year's team has strengths not seen last year, especially their ability to attack the basket. I am a big fan of the toughness and resiliency they have shown. But their talent level is not a cut above previous seasons under Haase or Dawkins from what I have seen.

[Spiny_Norman]

I would ask everyone here who has seen the other conference teams play, where do YOU think Stanford ranks among the talent levels in the P12? I think "pundits" over-weight recruiting stars.

For me, "talent" covers basketball fundamentals like shooting and taking care of the ball. Stanford is last in the conference in 3 point shooting. Last in % and last in total made per game. Offensive success in college ball nowadays is dependent on making 3 pointers. When you have 3 or 4 guys on the court who are threats to make 3s, it opens things up for other options too. As the numbers show, this is not a strength of the team. Now Stanford is shooting an incredible 54% on 2 pointers which is fantastic and a reason that they have had some success this year. But who are the top 3 point shooting teams in the conference? Arizona, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Colorado - all of the top 4 teams in the standings! I think there is a correlation here.

We also see Stanford dead last in the conference in turnovers.

This year's team has strengths not seen last year, especially their ability to attack the basket. I am a big fan of the toughness and resiliency they have shown. But their talent level is not a cut above previous seasons under Haase or Dawkins from what I have seen.

[VB Card]

Speaking of depth in the post, Kisunas, and Mobley, it's important to remember that Mobley was most likely headed to the Farm until his father was hired as an asst at SC. That took us a bit by surprise and meant we spent alot of chips that recruiting season on a guy who went elsewhere. We have suffered from the gap but there must be an admittable big somewhere who would provide bulk and rebounding. He doesn't need to be an offensive star. Think Rob Little, etc. What happened to the potential Yale transfer?

 

Yale transfer is headed to the Domers next season.

[VB Card]

Speaking of depth in the post, Kisunas, and Mobley, it's important to remember that Mobley was most likely headed to the Farm until his father was hired as an asst at SC. That took us a bit by surprise and meant we spent alot of chips that recruiting season on a guy who went elsewhere. We have suffered from the gap but there must be an admittable big somewhere who would provide bulk and rebounding. He doesn't need to be an offensive star. Think Rob Little, etc. What happened to the potential Yale transfer?

 

Yale transfer is headed to the Domers next season.

[CTcard]

I'm not much of a bracketologist, but it'd take more than that, no? I'd think win out and get to the finals at least? We'll see. Doesn't seem likely, in any case. I was zooming with a class and came on late, only to find ODS out with that injury. They needed to find a way to win tonight, but sadly did not.

Gonna need to win the next two and maybe one more after to get in.

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.

ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.
Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

[CTcard]

I'm not much of a bracketologist, but it'd take more than that, no? I'd think win out and get to the finals at least? We'll see. Doesn't seem likely, in any case. I was zooming with a class and came on late, only to find ODS out with that injury. They needed to find a way to win tonight, but sadly did not.

Gonna need to win the next two and maybe one more after to get in.

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.

ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.
Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

[burger]

I'm not much of a bracketologist, but it'd take more than that, no? I'd think win out and get to the finals at least? We'll see. Doesn't seem likely, in any case. I was zooming with a class and came on late, only to find ODS out with that injury. They needed to find a way to win tonight, but sadly did not.

Gonna need to win the next two and maybe one more after to get in.

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.

ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.
Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

Plus there are two wildcards that are potentially in our favor.  First, we have an outstanding win over Alabama.  The Tourney committee has a history of valuing these sorts of wins.  Second, we might get some bonus points for having  losses with 1-3 (then) starters out.

Even with 2 wins in the next 3 games, I still think the odds will be against us.  But stranger things have happened with Tourney selections.

[burger]

I'm not much of a bracketologist, but it'd take more than that, no? I'd think win out and get to the finals at least? We'll see. Doesn't seem likely, in any case. I was zooming with a class and came on late, only to find ODS out with that injury. They needed to find a way to win tonight, but sadly did not.

Gonna need to win the next two and maybe one more after to get in.

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.

ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.
Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

Plus there are two wildcards that are potentially in our favor.  First, we have an outstanding win over Alabama.  The Tourney committee has a history of valuing these sorts of wins.  Second, we might get some bonus points for having  losses with 1-3 (then) starters out.

Even with 2 wins in the next 3 games, I still think the odds will be against us.  But stranger things have happened with Tourney selections.

[BostonCard]

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.


ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.

Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

also, as ever, there will be some conferences where a tournament upset will mean that a team that otherwise would have been left out wins the tournament and claims an AQ bid.

BC

[BostonCard]

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.


ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.

Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

also, as ever, there will be some conferences where a tournament upset will mean that a team that otherwise would have been left out wins the tournament and claims an AQ bid.

BC

[winflop]

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.


ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.

Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

also, as ever, there will be some conferences where a tournament upset will mean that a team that otherwise would have been left out wins the tournament and claims an AQ bid.

BC

Paths to the dance:
1. Win the next 3
2. Lose to U$C and make the tourney finals

Anything short of that and fughedabodit

[winflop]

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.


ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.

Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

also, as ever, there will be some conferences where a tournament upset will mean that a team that otherwise would have been left out wins the tournament and claims an AQ bid.

BC

Paths to the dance:
1. Win the next 3
2. Lose to U$C and make the tourney finals

Anything short of that and fughedabodit

[BillBradley]

If we truly "would have been" a tourney team if we had Davis, Wills, and Williams all season...then it's time to prove that. I'm willing to look the other way (yet again) with the Oregon game because DaSilva was out. Assuming all are healthy and available for the end of the season, there really are no excuses. USC, and frankly the rest of the P12, are not that good. Time to put up.

Apologies if this has been hashed out before, but what are the main reasons for the decline of P12 men's basketball over the past 20 years? Why has the talent level dropped?

[BillBradley]

If we truly "would have been" a tourney team if we had Davis, Wills, and Williams all season...then it's time to prove that. I'm willing to look the other way (yet again) with the Oregon game because DaSilva was out. Assuming all are healthy and available for the end of the season, there really are no excuses. USC, and frankly the rest of the P12, are not that good. Time to put up.

Apologies if this has been hashed out before, but what are the main reasons for the decline of P12 men's basketball over the past 20 years? Why has the talent level dropped?

[BostonCard]

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.


ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.

Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

also, as ever, there will be some conferences where a tournament upset will mean that a team that otherwise would have been left out wins the tournament and claims an AQ bid.

BC

Paths to the dance:
1. Win the next 3
2. Lose to U$C and make the tourney finals

Anything short of that and fughedabodit

Wel, we are at fuggetaboutit.

BC

[BostonCard]

To consider Stanford's chances of getting into the tournament, you have to look at the other teams Stanford is competing with. They don't make it or not compared to any absolute standard.


ESPN's bracketology guy (Lunardi) has Stanford as the second team out as of this moment. That would seem to imply that if Stanford's remaining accomplishments are greater than a few of the teams directly above them then they have a decent chance of getting in. So, the teams directly above Stanford, in order are: Minnesota, Colorado St, Xavier, UConn, Indiana, Seton Hall, Boise State, VCU, Louisville.

Those are presumably the ones to keep an eye on in comparison to whatever Stanford manages to do the rest of the way.

also, as ever, there will be some conferences where a tournament upset will mean that a team that otherwise would have been left out wins the tournament and claims an AQ bid.

BC

Paths to the dance:
1. Win the next 3
2. Lose to U$C and make the tourney finals

Anything short of that and fughedabodit

Wel, we are at fuggetaboutit.

BC