[BostonCard]

Alix Klineman and April Ross are up 1 set to 0 in their semifinals match against the team from landlocked Switzerland.

BC

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Klineman/Ross sweep.  The last couple points, Klineman was just on fire, with a couple of exclamation point hits and a few extraordinary blocks.

BC

[BostonCard]

Alix Klineman and April Ross are up 1 set to 0 in their semifinals match against the team from landlocked Switzerland.

BC

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Klineman/Ross sweep.  The last couple points, Klineman was just on fire, with a couple of exclamation point hits and a few extraordinary blocks.

BC

[Softball Fan]

The volleyball semi-final was so non-competitive it was boring.  Nice to see Alix Klineman do so well.  Back in her senior year at Stanford she should have been NPOY.

[Softball Fan]

The volleyball semi-final was so non-competitive it was boring.  Nice to see Alix Klineman do so well.  Back in her senior year at Stanford she should have been NPOY.

[BostonCard]

Agreed, but always good to be on the good side of a beat down. Klineman and Ross have dropped one set in all of Tokyo, but I expect the final to be competitive.

Surprised that Klineman didn’t make it to the olympics as an indoor player.

BC

[BostonCard]

Agreed, but always good to be on the good side of a beat down. Klineman and Ross have dropped one set in all of Tokyo, but I expect the final to be competitive.

Surprised that Klineman didn’t make it to the olympics as an indoor player.

BC

[DC 86]

USA WWP advances to the gold medal match, scoring the final four goals to beat "Russia" 15-11. USA was down by three goals on three different occasions, but came back to win. All four Stanford players scored goals.

[DC 86]

USA WWP advances to the gold medal match, scoring the final four goals to beat "Russia" 15-11. USA was down by three goals on three different occasions, but came back to win. All four Stanford players scored goals.

[Canalejas]

Women's Water Polo advances to the gold medal match

https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-...00200-.htm

[Canalejas]

Women's Water Polo advances to the gold medal match

https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-...00200-.htm

[ColoradoTree]

Bronze for O'Hara, Press, Davidson, Macario, and Campbell as the USWNT beats Australia 4-3.

[ColoradoTree]

Bronze for O'Hara, Press, Davidson, Macario, and Campbell as the USWNT beats Australia 4-3.

[ColoradoTree]

Just saw Stanford put out a statement that Stanford is up to 19 total medals, including three Golds, 7 Silvers, and 9 Bronzes. But that includes multiple swimmers on relays and USWNT members (both Ledecky and Forde on the 4x200m relay, both Smith and Huske on the 4x100 medley relay, and five Bronzes from the five USWNT members). Which, you know, is well enough--there are 19 physical medals out there in the world with a Stanford connection. 

But that ain't how the Olympics counts medals--the US gets one Bronze for women's soccer, not 22 of them. We get one medal for each of those relays, not four. 

Is this the method they use for counting medals when they claim "Stanford would finish top 10 in the medal count" every Olympics? Has my alma mater been lying to me this entire time?!?!

[ColoradoTree]

Just saw Stanford put out a statement that Stanford is up to 19 total medals, including three Golds, 7 Silvers, and 9 Bronzes. But that includes multiple swimmers on relays and USWNT members (both Ledecky and Forde on the 4x200m relay, both Smith and Huske on the 4x100 medley relay, and five Bronzes from the five USWNT members). Which, you know, is well enough--there are 19 physical medals out there in the world with a Stanford connection. 

But that ain't how the Olympics counts medals--the US gets one Bronze for women's soccer, not 22 of them. We get one medal for each of those relays, not four. 

Is this the method they use for counting medals when they claim "Stanford would finish top 10 in the medal count" every Olympics? Has my alma mater been lying to me this entire time?!?!

[BobK]

https://twitter.com/omhpmh/status/142328...07406?s=21

Guess this is also inappropriate?

[BobK]

https://twitter.com/omhpmh/status/142328...07406?s=21

Guess this is also inappropriate?

[Papa John]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

[Papa John]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

[82lsju]

Just saw Stanford put out a statement that Stanford is up to 19 total medals, including three Golds, 7 Silvers, and 9 Bronzes. But that includes multiple swimmers on relays and USWNT members (both Ledecky and Forde on the 4x200m relay, both Smith and Huske on the 4x100 medley relay, and five Bronzes from the five USWNT members). Which, you know, is well enough--there are 19 physical medals out there in the world with a Stanford connection. 

But that ain't how the Olympics counts medals--the US gets one Bronze for women's soccer, not 22 of them. We get one medal for each of those relays, not four. 

Is this the method they use for counting medals when they claim "Stanford would finish top 10 in the medal count" every Olympics? Has my alma mater been lying to me this entire time?!?!

this appears to be how all colleges count medals, see for example the USC list (which is also all participants not just medal winners)

https://usctrojans.com/documents/2021/7/...istory.pdf

list of Universities with the most medals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Am...pic_medals

[82lsju]

Just saw Stanford put out a statement that Stanford is up to 19 total medals, including three Golds, 7 Silvers, and 9 Bronzes. But that includes multiple swimmers on relays and USWNT members (both Ledecky and Forde on the 4x200m relay, both Smith and Huske on the 4x100 medley relay, and five Bronzes from the five USWNT members). Which, you know, is well enough--there are 19 physical medals out there in the world with a Stanford connection. 

But that ain't how the Olympics counts medals--the US gets one Bronze for women's soccer, not 22 of them. We get one medal for each of those relays, not four. 

Is this the method they use for counting medals when they claim "Stanford would finish top 10 in the medal count" every Olympics? Has my alma mater been lying to me this entire time?!?!

this appears to be how all colleges count medals, see for example the USC list (which is also all participants not just medal winners)

https://usctrojans.com/documents/2021/7/...istory.pdf

list of Universities with the most medals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Am...pic_medals

[DC 86]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

The "Conference of Champions" (pac-12.com) certainly makes these claims during/after every Olympic Games. Google "pac-12 Olympic medals if a country" and all the links come up.

[DC 86]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

The "Conference of Champions" (pac-12.com) certainly makes these claims during/after every Olympic Games. Google "pac-12 Olympic medals if a country" and all the links come up.

[BostonCard]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mrt/status/1422714654275432448?s=21[/tweet]

That is awesome!

BC

[BostonCard]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mrt/status/1422714654275432448?s=21[/tweet]

That is awesome!

BC

[Papa John]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

The "Conference of Champions" (pac-12.com) certainly makes these claims during/after every Olympic Games. Google "pac-12 Olympic medals if a country" and all the links come up.

OK, but you still haven't answered my question. When has Stanford made the claim that, if it were a country, it would have placed "x" in the Olympics in total medals? I do peruse gostanford.com and Stanford Magazine, and I don't remember an official Stanford statement to that effect.

[Papa John]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

The "Conference of Champions" (pac-12.com) certainly makes these claims during/after every Olympic Games. Google "pac-12 Olympic medals if a country" and all the links come up.

OK, but you still haven't answered my question. When has Stanford made the claim that, if it were a country, it would have placed "x" in the Olympics in total medals? I do peruse gostanford.com and Stanford Magazine, and I don't remember an official Stanford statement to that effect.

[82lsju]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

The "Conference of Champions" (pac-12.com) certainly makes these claims during/after every Olympic Games. Google "pac-12 Olympic medals if a country" and all the links come up.

OK, but you still haven't answered my question. When has Stanford made the claim that, if it were a country, it would have placed "x" in the Olympics in total medals? I do peruse gostanford.com and Stanford Magazine, and I don't remember an official Stanford statement to that effect.

I've not seen Stanford make the claim but others have, see for example

Stanford athletes (incoming, current and former) have won 18 Olympic medals in Rio as of Thursday morning, the most of any American university and more medals than most of the 200 member nations competing at the Games, according to the NCAA. If Stanford were a country, it’d currently be ranked No. 10 in the total medal count.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-i...2016-08-18

[color=rgba(13, 13, 13, 0.9)]Many alums will tell you that if the two were a country the duo would come in seventh overall behind Japan and ahead of Australia in the list of nations. (See chart below).  We know that math doesn't actually work out here because sometimes there are two members on a team, but you get the idea. [/color]

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/i...y/1925011/

Stanford now has gold medals in six different events, tying it for the fifth-best "country" in the world. The only countries ahead of Stanford are: the US (20), China (13), Great Britain (7), and Japan (7).

https://www.ruleoftree.com/2016/8/13/124...st-country

[82lsju]

I know about the medal "competition" between US universities, but I never heard about Stanford claiming that, if it were a country, it would top ten (or whatever ranking). Do you have a source for this, ColoradoTree?

The "Conference of Champions" (pac-12.com) certainly makes these claims during/after every Olympic Games. Google "pac-12 Olympic medals if a country" and all the links come up.

OK, but you still haven't answered my question. When has Stanford made the claim that, if it were a country, it would have placed "x" in the Olympics in total medals? I do peruse gostanford.com and Stanford Magazine, and I don't remember an official Stanford statement to that effect.

I've not seen Stanford make the claim but others have, see for example

Stanford athletes (incoming, current and former) have won 18 Olympic medals in Rio as of Thursday morning, the most of any American university and more medals than most of the 200 member nations competing at the Games, according to the NCAA. If Stanford were a country, it’d currently be ranked No. 10 in the total medal count.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-i...2016-08-18

[color=rgba(13, 13, 13, 0.9)]Many alums will tell you that if the two were a country the duo would come in seventh overall behind Japan and ahead of Australia in the list of nations. (See chart below).  We know that math doesn't actually work out here because sometimes there are two members on a team, but you get the idea. [/color]

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/i...y/1925011/

Stanford now has gold medals in six different events, tying it for the fifth-best "country" in the world. The only countries ahead of Stanford are: the US (20), China (13), Great Britain (7), and Japan (7).

https://www.ruleoftree.com/2016/8/13/124...st-country

[terry]

Just saw Stanford put out a statement that Stanford is up to 19 total medals, including three Golds, 7 Silvers, and 9 Bronzes. But that includes multiple swimmers on relays and USWNT members (both Ledecky and Forde on the 4x200m relay, both Smith and Huske on the 4x100 medley relay, and five Bronzes from the five USWNT members). Which, you know, is well enough--there are 19 physical medals out there in the world with a Stanford connection. 

But that ain't how the Olympics counts medals--the US gets one Bronze for women's soccer, not 22 of them. We get one medal for each of those relays, not four. 

I think it's meaningful to keep track of all medals won by Stanford athletes, including all of the medals won by each member of a team or a relay. For example, the fact that Stanford produced five members of a medal-winning team, rather than just one, says something about the strength of Stanford's program and the amount of top-tier talent that has come out of Stanford. I think it is legitimate to celebrate all five medals. I have no problem with publicizing all of those medals.

[terry]

Just saw Stanford put out a statement that Stanford is up to 19 total medals, including three Golds, 7 Silvers, and 9 Bronzes. But that includes multiple swimmers on relays and USWNT members (both Ledecky and Forde on the 4x200m relay, both Smith and Huske on the 4x100 medley relay, and five Bronzes from the five USWNT members). Which, you know, is well enough--there are 19 physical medals out there in the world with a Stanford connection. 

But that ain't how the Olympics counts medals--the US gets one Bronze for women's soccer, not 22 of them. We get one medal for each of those relays, not four. 

I think it's meaningful to keep track of all medals won by Stanford athletes, including all of the medals won by each member of a team or a relay. For example, the fact that Stanford produced five members of a medal-winning team, rather than just one, says something about the strength of Stanford's program and the amount of top-tier talent that has come out of Stanford. I think it is legitimate to celebrate all five medals. I have no problem with publicizing all of those medals.

[Papa John]

I'm with terry on this one, and I have yet to see evidence of Stanford saying anything that is untrue or misleading. 

The fact that other media outlets give apples-to-oranges medal-count comparisons is irrelevant, IMO, unless it is Stanford that is providing the misinformation.

So, like Terry, I prefer to celebrate the amazing accomplishments of Stanford-affiliated athletes and take interest in the apples-to-apples comparisons with other U.S. universities, a la what BobK shared with us.

[Papa John]

I'm with terry on this one, and I have yet to see evidence of Stanford saying anything that is untrue or misleading. 

The fact that other media outlets give apples-to-oranges medal-count comparisons is irrelevant, IMO, unless it is Stanford that is providing the misinformation.

So, like Terry, I prefer to celebrate the amazing accomplishments of Stanford-affiliated athletes and take interest in the apples-to-apples comparisons with other U.S. universities, a la what BobK shared with us.

[82lsju]

More from Brooke Forde's father Pat Forde

I’ve Covered Nine Olympics. Nothing Prepared Me for Seeing My Daughter Win a Medal


After a taxing run-up to the Games, U.S. swimmer Brooke Forde got the ultimate reward—a silver in Tokyo, with her dad there in attendance to share in the experience.

https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/05/t...vMFTAobbeo

[82lsju]

More from Brooke Forde's father Pat Forde

I’ve Covered Nine Olympics. Nothing Prepared Me for Seeing My Daughter Win a Medal


After a taxing run-up to the Games, U.S. swimmer Brooke Forde got the ultimate reward—a silver in Tokyo, with her dad there in attendance to share in the experience.

https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/05/t...vMFTAobbeo

[Farm93]

I'm with terry on this one, and I have yet to see evidence of Stanford saying anything that is untrue or misleading. 

The fact that other media outlets give apples-to-oranges medal-count comparisons is irrelevant, IMO, unless it is Stanford that is providing the misinformation.

So, like Terry, I prefer to celebrate the amazing accomplishments of Stanford-affiliated athletes and take interest in the apples-to-apples comparisons with other U.S. universities, a la what BobK shared with us.

I am with both of you here.   

Some day in the future a group of amazing athletes will come to a Stanford Football game with medals.   
How many athletes?  How many medals?

Maybe in 2024 the USWNT will feature 10 gold medal winners with Stanford experience.   For the nation that would be one medal in the overall count, but for the athletic department and the families and friends there would be 10 Olympic winners and 10 medals.

Though, FWIW, the tally difference is why I hate when people say Stanford, if a country, would be 8th or 10th or whatever.
In this Olympics Stanford athletes have "only" won 6 medals without teammates from other universities.
Katie Ledecky - 2 Gold (800M Free & 1500M Free) & 1 Silver (400 Free)
Valerie Allman - 1 Gold (Discus)
Regan Smith - 1 Silver (200M Fly) & 1 Bronze (100M Back)

[Farm93]

I'm with terry on this one, and I have yet to see evidence of Stanford saying anything that is untrue or misleading. 

The fact that other media outlets give apples-to-oranges medal-count comparisons is irrelevant, IMO, unless it is Stanford that is providing the misinformation.

So, like Terry, I prefer to celebrate the amazing accomplishments of Stanford-affiliated athletes and take interest in the apples-to-apples comparisons with other U.S. universities, a la what BobK shared with us.

I am with both of you here.   

Some day in the future a group of amazing athletes will come to a Stanford Football game with medals.   
How many athletes?  How many medals?

Maybe in 2024 the USWNT will feature 10 gold medal winners with Stanford experience.   For the nation that would be one medal in the overall count, but for the athletic department and the families and friends there would be 10 Olympic winners and 10 medals.

Though, FWIW, the tally difference is why I hate when people say Stanford, if a country, would be 8th or 10th or whatever.
In this Olympics Stanford athletes have "only" won 6 medals without teammates from other universities.
Katie Ledecky - 2 Gold (800M Free & 1500M Free) & 1 Silver (400 Free)
Valerie Allman - 1 Gold (Discus)
Regan Smith - 1 Silver (200M Fly) & 1 Bronze (100M Back)

[BostonCard]

I'm really happy for Forde, who, remember, was on the verge of being left off the team.  She is the top career scorer nationwide of the 2017 recruiting class (https://swimswam.com/revisiting-ncaa-rec...s-of-2017/).  She didn't come in with the hype of Katie Ledecky or Simone Manuel, but man has she delivered.

BC

[BostonCard]

I'm really happy for Forde, who, remember, was on the verge of being left off the team.  She is the top career scorer nationwide of the 2017 recruiting class (https://swimswam.com/revisiting-ncaa-rec...s-of-2017/).  She didn't come in with the hype of Katie Ledecky or Simone Manuel, but man has she delivered.

BC

[DC 86]

OK, but you still haven't answered my question. When has Stanford made the claim that, if it were a country, it would have placed "x" in the Olympics in total medals? I do peruse gostanford.com and Stanford Magazine, and I don't remember an official Stanford statement to that effect.

From Stanford Magazine (Sept/Oct 1996):

Number of medals won by Stanford students and alumni at the Atlanta Olympics: [b]22[/b]
Number of medals won by Japan: [b]14[/b]
If Stanford were a country, position it would have ranked: [b]17[/b]

From Stanford Magazine (July/August 2012):

Stanford-affiliated athletes have won 225 medals. Occasionally, they have outperformed entire continents. In the 1996 Games in Atlanta, "Stanford" won more gold medals (17) than all but three countries that competed. More than China. More than France. Sixteen more than Great Britain.

Stanford Magazine (Sept/Oct 2000):

The bottom line is that Stanford has more medals than most countries. The University, with 172,350 students and alumni, has been about as successful as China, a nation of 1.2 billion. Both Cardinal and Chinese athletes won 16 gold medals in the 1996 Atlanta Games, placing them fourth in the world. Since the inauguration of the modern Summer Games in 1896, Stanford has garnered 166 medals to China's 164.


Those are the first three items that came up when I did some googling for past issues of Stanford Magazine. It doesn't look like GoStanford has extensive archives.

Bottom line is we all seem to agree at this point and can put this topic to bed (Stanford vs other colleges = awesome, Stanford as a country = silly), but there is the answer to your question about Stanford making these sorts of claims, since you were skeptical.

[DC 86]

OK, but you still haven't answered my question. When has Stanford made the claim that, if it were a country, it would have placed "x" in the Olympics in total medals? I do peruse gostanford.com and Stanford Magazine, and I don't remember an official Stanford statement to that effect.

From Stanford Magazine (Sept/Oct 1996):

Number of medals won by Stanford students and alumni at the Atlanta Olympics: [b]22[/b]
Number of medals won by Japan: [b]14[/b]
If Stanford were a country, position it would have ranked: [b]17[/b]

From Stanford Magazine (July/August 2012):

Stanford-affiliated athletes have won 225 medals. Occasionally, they have outperformed entire continents. In the 1996 Games in Atlanta, "Stanford" won more gold medals (17) than all but three countries that competed. More than China. More than France. Sixteen more than Great Britain.

Stanford Magazine (Sept/Oct 2000):

The bottom line is that Stanford has more medals than most countries. The University, with 172,350 students and alumni, has been about as successful as China, a nation of 1.2 billion. Both Cardinal and Chinese athletes won 16 gold medals in the 1996 Atlanta Games, placing them fourth in the world. Since the inauguration of the modern Summer Games in 1896, Stanford has garnered 166 medals to China's 164.


Those are the first three items that came up when I did some googling for past issues of Stanford Magazine. It doesn't look like GoStanford has extensive archives.

Bottom line is we all seem to agree at this point and can put this topic to bed (Stanford vs other colleges = awesome, Stanford as a country = silly), but there is the answer to your question about Stanford making these sorts of claims, since you were skeptical.