[old spanish trail]

Given the encouraging news of Ingram's return, I am curious what people see as our starting lineup last year, and who the first two off the bench will be.

-m.

O'Connell, M. Jones, S. Jones, Ingram, Reynaud.......Angel, Silva, Murrell

Missing Keefe.

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Ooops you are right. Though Keefe improved markedly last season, I'd still start Reynaud and replace Murrell with Keefe as a sub. If Reynaud gets some good coaching and then playing time, he becomes a major force in the Pac, imo. Is the coaching part assuming too much?

[old spanish trail]

Given the encouraging news of Ingram's return, I am curious what people see as our starting lineup last year, and who the first two off the bench will be.

-m.

O'Connell, M. Jones, S. Jones, Ingram, Reynaud.......Angel, Silva, Murrell

Missing Keefe.

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Ooops you are right. Though Keefe improved markedly last season, I'd still start Reynaud and replace Murrell with Keefe as a sub. If Reynaud gets some good coaching and then playing time, he becomes a major force in the Pac, imo. Is the coaching part assuming too much?

[OutsiderFan]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

[OutsiderFan]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

[winflop]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

That would require that someone actually is watching him play...

[winflop]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

That would require that someone actually is watching him play...

[burger]

Given the encouraging news of Ingram's return, I am curious what people see as our starting lineup last year, and who the first two off the bench will be.

-m.

O'Connell, M. Jones, S. Jones, Ingram, Reynaud.......Angel, Silva, Murrell

Missing Keefe.

Whew.  Thought for a second maybe Keefe had transferred or graduated without my noticing.

Also, Angel needs to start or at least get starter-type minutes.  He can shoot from outside, post up, and drive, which makes him more versatile than anyone on the team.  I think he's going to have a breakout season.

[burger]

Given the encouraging news of Ingram's return, I am curious what people see as our starting lineup last year, and who the first two off the bench will be.

-m.

O'Connell, M. Jones, S. Jones, Ingram, Reynaud.......Angel, Silva, Murrell

Missing Keefe.

Whew.  Thought for a second maybe Keefe had transferred or graduated without my noticing.

Also, Angel needs to start or at least get starter-type minutes.  He can shoot from outside, post up, and drive, which makes him more versatile than anyone on the team.  I think he's going to have a breakout season.

[Goose]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

That would require that someone actually is watching him play...

Actually, it doesn't. It only requires one person who wants to spend the money. One of the "features" of NIL contracts.

[Goose]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

That would require that someone actually is watching him play...

Actually, it doesn't. It only requires one person who wants to spend the money. One of the "features" of NIL contracts.

[Hurlburt88]

I like that 9.  and yes, Angel and Reynaud if not starting deserve the chance for big minutes--coach can go with who's hot, matchups, etc. so I would expect high variability.   

Also, does anyone else think Ingram's body angle when shooting is similar to Kyle Lowry's?  

No excuses . . . time to fear the tree!

[Hurlburt88]

I like that 9.  and yes, Angel and Reynaud if not starting deserve the chance for big minutes--coach can go with who's hot, matchups, etc. so I would expect high variability.   

Also, does anyone else think Ingram's body angle when shooting is similar to Kyle Lowry's?  

No excuses . . . time to fear the tree!

[CTcard]

All else being equal, I would rather win with Haase than take chances with a new hire. The issue is that I a not sure we can with Haase, but given that he is our coach now, I might have well (naively) root for the team to win.

Regardless of what I think of the coach, I well never, never not root for a Stanford team to win. 
(sorry for the double negative - don't make it a triple that was only emphasis)

[CTcard]

All else being equal, I would rather win with Haase than take chances with a new hire. The issue is that I a not sure we can with Haase, but given that he is our coach now, I might have well (naively) root for the team to win.

Regardless of what I think of the coach, I well never, never not root for a Stanford team to win. 
(sorry for the double negative - don't make it a triple that was only emphasis)

[Phogge]

Whoopee, Ingraham will be back. But if he’s the same Ingraham he won’t help much. Needs to be twice the player he was as a frosh. And Haase needs to grow up starting with a substitution strategy that is adult and not fifth grade CYO.

[Phogge]

Whoopee, Ingraham will be back. But if he’s the same Ingraham he won’t help much. Needs to be twice the player he was as a frosh. And Haase needs to grow up starting with a substitution strategy that is adult and not fifth grade CYO.

[fullmetal]

Agreed with Phogge.  But the rigamarole of pre-NBA draft workouts and training that Harrison has surely gone through has to make him a better player.  Scouts and outside coaches will have told him where his game is weak and what he needs to do to improve his draft stock.  Hopefully he pays attention and takes himself to the next level.

[fullmetal]

Agreed with Phogge.  But the rigamarole of pre-NBA draft workouts and training that Harrison has surely gone through has to make him a better player.  Scouts and outside coaches will have told him where his game is weak and what he needs to do to improve his draft stock.  Hopefully he pays attention and takes himself to the next level.

[SamuelMcF]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

Said POY was projected to be a late second rounder.

[SamuelMcF]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

Said POY was projected to be a late second rounder.

[GK3]

I like that 9.  and yes, Angel and Reynaud if not starting deserve the chance for big minutes--coach can go with who's hot, matchups, etc. so I would expect high variability.   

Also, does anyone else think Ingram's body angle when shooting is similar to Kyle Lowry's?  

No excuses . . . time to fear the tree!

There have been lots of very positive rumors floating around about Reynaud.  He has added significant weight and strength by all reports, say 30 or 40 lbs worth.

[GK3]

I like that 9.  and yes, Angel and Reynaud if not starting deserve the chance for big minutes--coach can go with who's hot, matchups, etc. so I would expect high variability.   

Also, does anyone else think Ingram's body angle when shooting is similar to Kyle Lowry's?  

No excuses . . . time to fear the tree!

There have been lots of very positive rumors floating around about Reynaud.  He has added significant weight and strength by all reports, say 30 or 40 lbs worth.

[Phogge]

The old pasta diet?

[Phogge]

The old pasta diet?

[BobK]

Don’t know pasta but having a great athlete for a gf helps

[BobK]

Don’t know pasta but having a great athlete for a gf helps

[msqueri]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

Said POY was projected to be a late second rounder.

It's the darnedest thing year after year seeing fans misunderstand what the NBA looks for and that it's not about being the most player in college. If anything, being a dominant college player typically requires developing over several years which means that being the best in college may actually be an indication a player is unlikely to be great in the NBA. Otherwise the player would have bolted for the NBA at an earlier opportunity.

In all of history, only three freshmen have ever won player of the year: Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson. Being that good that early is a sign of greatness. For mere mortals, winning player of the year typically means you're great at basketball but not with a skill set likely to be great in the NBA. Among the last 30 non-freshmen national players of the year, here is the grand total of All-NBA selections:

Larry Johnson (second team once)
Tim Duncan (first team ten times, second team three times, third team twice)
Elton Brand (second team once)
Andrew Bogut (third team once)
Blake Griffin (second team three times, third team twice)

Extreme long shot to be a legend or even truly great, and fewer than a fifth of them become NBA superstars. Compare that to the All-NBA selections the NBA projected to be truly great by virtue of being the #1 overall pick during that span:

Larry Johnson (second team once)
Shaquille O'Neal (first team eight times, second team twice, third team four times)
Chris Webber (first team once, second team three times, third team once)
Allen Iverson (first team three times, second team three times, third team once)
Tim Duncan (first team ten times, second team three times, third team twice)
Elton Brand (second team once)
Yao Ming (second team twice, third team three times)
LeBron James (first team 13 times, second team three times, third team twice)
Dwight Howard (first team five times, second team once, third team)
Andrew Bogut (third team once)
Derrick Rose (first team once)
Blake Griffin (second team three times, third team twice)
John Wall (third team once)
Kyrie Irving (second team once, third team twice)
Anthony Davis (first team four times)
Karl-Anthony Towns (third team twice)
Ben Simmons (third team once)

The odds for a national player of the year to become a one-time third team All-NBA player or better (a bit less than 20 percent) are about the same as the odds for a #1 pick to become a legend. The odds are about 50/50 a #1 overall pick will reach that superstar All-NBA level.

At the most elite level, the NBA knows what it's looking for and it rarely comes in a package that sticks in college long enough to get national player of the year. The most recent national player of the year made third team......in the G League.

Every single one of the national players of the year in the last 30+ years who turned out to be an NBA superstar went #1 overall, suggesting that the real secret sauce was in the potential the NBA saw quite clearly. Bringing this back to Tshiebwe, three of the national players of the year made good (Brand, Bogut, and Griffin) only played two years in college so they support the idea that juniors/seniors good enough to win national player of the year aren't good enough to be superstars in the NBA. Those three were great early. The other two were outliers, Johnson because he was a junior college guy finding his way and Duncan because, well, even then they didn't make them like Tim Duncan. He could have been a millionaire much earlier but is the mythical creature all of us who romanticize college sports wish there were more of but, in reality, are as tough to find as a needle in a haystack.

[msqueri]

Has Ingram been given an NIL deal to make staying at Stanford a little easier?  I mean if Kentucky's POY can forego the NBA draft for NIL money, surely Stanford's best player can.

Said POY was projected to be a late second rounder.

It's the darnedest thing year after year seeing fans misunderstand what the NBA looks for and that it's not about being the most player in college. If anything, being a dominant college player typically requires developing over several years which means that being the best in college may actually be an indication a player is unlikely to be great in the NBA. Otherwise the player would have bolted for the NBA at an earlier opportunity.

In all of history, only three freshmen have ever won player of the year: Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson. Being that good that early is a sign of greatness. For mere mortals, winning player of the year typically means you're great at basketball but not with a skill set likely to be great in the NBA. Among the last 30 non-freshmen national players of the year, here is the grand total of All-NBA selections:

Larry Johnson (second team once)
Tim Duncan (first team ten times, second team three times, third team twice)
Elton Brand (second team once)
Andrew Bogut (third team once)
Blake Griffin (second team three times, third team twice)

Extreme long shot to be a legend or even truly great, and fewer than a fifth of them become NBA superstars. Compare that to the All-NBA selections the NBA projected to be truly great by virtue of being the #1 overall pick during that span:

Larry Johnson (second team once)
Shaquille O'Neal (first team eight times, second team twice, third team four times)
Chris Webber (first team once, second team three times, third team once)
Allen Iverson (first team three times, second team three times, third team once)
Tim Duncan (first team ten times, second team three times, third team twice)
Elton Brand (second team once)
Yao Ming (second team twice, third team three times)
LeBron James (first team 13 times, second team three times, third team twice)
Dwight Howard (first team five times, second team once, third team)
Andrew Bogut (third team once)
Derrick Rose (first team once)
Blake Griffin (second team three times, third team twice)
John Wall (third team once)
Kyrie Irving (second team once, third team twice)
Anthony Davis (first team four times)
Karl-Anthony Towns (third team twice)
Ben Simmons (third team once)

The odds for a national player of the year to become a one-time third team All-NBA player or better (a bit less than 20 percent) are about the same as the odds for a #1 pick to become a legend. The odds are about 50/50 a #1 overall pick will reach that superstar All-NBA level.

At the most elite level, the NBA knows what it's looking for and it rarely comes in a package that sticks in college long enough to get national player of the year. The most recent national player of the year made third team......in the G League.

Every single one of the national players of the year in the last 30+ years who turned out to be an NBA superstar went #1 overall, suggesting that the real secret sauce was in the potential the NBA saw quite clearly. Bringing this back to Tshiebwe, three of the national players of the year made good (Brand, Bogut, and Griffin) only played two years in college so they support the idea that juniors/seniors good enough to win national player of the year aren't good enough to be superstars in the NBA. Those three were great early. The other two were outliers, Johnson because he was a junior college guy finding his way and Duncan because, well, even then they didn't make them like Tim Duncan. He could have been a millionaire much earlier but is the mythical creature all of us who romanticize college sports wish there were more of but, in reality, are as tough to find as a needle in a haystack.

[BostonCard]

Also, worth noting that between 1995 when Kevin Garnett went straight from high school to the NBA to 2005, when the practice was stopped, high school players could get drafted, so the players who went to college who otherwise could have jumped to the NBA out of high school were players who actually wanted to go to college.

BC

[BostonCard]

Also, worth noting that between 1995 when Kevin Garnett went straight from high school to the NBA to 2005, when the practice was stopped, high school players could get drafted, so the players who went to college who otherwise could have jumped to the NBA out of high school were players who actually wanted to go to college.

BC