03-23-2025, 04:18 PM
Phogge says 92 wins
(03-24-2025, 08:30 AM)Mick Wrote: Giants lost in their exhibition with the River Cats, 4-3. They went out to a 3-0 lead while the 2nd stringers were in and then replaced by third stringers. Ramos went 2/2 in leadoff with a Walk, Flores 0/2 with a walk, Jung Hoo Lee 1/2 with a walk, Matos 0/3, Wade 1/3, Fitz 0/2 with a walk, Huff 1/3, Schmitt 0/2.
Bailey, Adames, Chapman, Yaz had the day off. As did Encarnacion, obviously, who is having surgery on his hand.
The Sac'to team were all teh recent cuts. Meckler, 0/5 with 3 K's. Luciano, 0/2, 3 walks. Bishop, 2/4. Lamb, 0/5. Porter, 2/3 (catcher). Roupp gave up one hit and three walks in 5 innings, eight strikeouts. Birdsong gave up three earned runs in 1/3rd of an inning. Teng and Garza gave up two hits in 3 2/3 innings. Giants went 0 for 13 with runners in scoring position.
Giants play the Tigers tonight and tomorrow night at Oracle. Technically, they are exhibition games, spring training is over and the Giants won the MLB championship of the spring which is utterly, totally and completely meaningless.
Home opener is a week from Friday, April 4.
(03-24-2025, 08:30 AM)Mick Wrote: Giants lost in their exhibition with the River Cats, 4-3. They went out to a 3-0 lead while the 2nd stringers were in and then replaced by third stringers. Ramos went 2/2 in leadoff with a Walk, Flores 0/2 with a walk, Jung Hoo Lee 1/2 with a walk, Matos 0/3, Wade 1/3, Fitz 0/2 with a walk, Huff 1/3, Schmitt 0/2.
Bailey, Adames, Chapman, Yaz had the day off. As did Encarnacion, obviously, who is having surgery on his hand.
The Sac'to team were all teh recent cuts. Meckler, 0/5 with 3 K's. Luciano, 0/2, 3 walks. Bishop, 2/4. Lamb, 0/5. Porter, 2/3 (catcher). Roupp gave up one hit and three walks in 5 innings, eight strikeouts. Birdsong gave up three earned runs in 1/3rd of an inning. Teng and Garza gave up two hits in 3 2/3 innings. Giants went 0 for 13 with runners in scoring position.
Giants play the Tigers tonight and tomorrow night at Oracle. Technically, they are exhibition games, spring training is over and the Giants won the MLB championship of the spring which is utterly, totally and completely meaningless.
Home opener is a week from Friday, April 4.
(03-25-2025, 12:28 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote: Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...
Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?
(03-25-2025, 12:28 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote: Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...
Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?
(03-25-2025, 12:51 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-25-2025, 12:28 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote: Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...
Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?
The farthest to the right, midway up the chart. Basically, the SF bullpen has the most extreme variation in arm angles (and release points) of any MLB bullpen.
(03-25-2025, 12:51 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-25-2025, 12:28 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote: Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...
Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?
The farthest to the right, midway up the chart. Basically, the SF bullpen has the most extreme variation in arm angles (and release points) of any MLB bullpen.
(03-25-2025, 02:12 PM)Mick Wrote: We do in Rogers, and others who release more conventionally, but range from over the top to lower-than-three quarters. Even without Rogers, there's a broad range: Statcast Arm Angle Leaderboard | baseballsavant.com
As for spring training results not having any bearing in reality...I'd have to agree. In the last 20 years, SFG didn't "win" the spring training standings until this year, but:
- They did finish second in both 2010 and 2011, both excellent years (until Posey got hurt).
- The year they won 107 games, they finished 12th in the Cactus League.
- Last year, they finished third in the Cactus League, and the year before they finished ninth of 15 teams in the Cactus League...but their season records for those years were one game apart.
- In 2016, they finished 13th of 15 in spring training, then went to the playoffs (losing to the Cubs). The very next year, they finished 3rd in spring training, but went 64-98.
So the spring record just doesn't matter. And I know it's a different sport, but this trivia question has always tickled me:
Only twice in the Super Bowl era have teams gone winless for a full season that weren't in their first year, the 2008 Detroit Lions and the 2017 Cleveland Browns. What else do they have in common?
Answer: They both went undefeated in their preseason.
Spring training success just doesn't matter.
I still think they'll win 90 games...
(03-25-2025, 02:12 PM)Mick Wrote: We do in Rogers, and others who release more conventionally, but range from over the top to lower-than-three quarters. Even without Rogers, there's a broad range: Statcast Arm Angle Leaderboard | baseballsavant.com
As for spring training results not having any bearing in reality...I'd have to agree. In the last 20 years, SFG didn't "win" the spring training standings until this year, but:
- They did finish second in both 2010 and 2011, both excellent years (until Posey got hurt).
- The year they won 107 games, they finished 12th in the Cactus League.
- Last year, they finished third in the Cactus League, and the year before they finished ninth of 15 teams in the Cactus League...but their season records for those years were one game apart.
- In 2016, they finished 13th of 15 in spring training, then went to the playoffs (losing to the Cubs). The very next year, they finished 3rd in spring training, but went 64-98.
So the spring record just doesn't matter. And I know it's a different sport, but this trivia question has always tickled me:
Only twice in the Super Bowl era have teams gone winless for a full season that weren't in their first year, the 2008 Detroit Lions and the 2017 Cleveland Browns. What else do they have in common?
Answer: They both went undefeated in their preseason.
Spring training success just doesn't matter.
I still think they'll win 90 games...
(03-23-2025, 11:35 AM)Giants Wrote: The time has come for the annual Giants’ win predictions.I hope I lose on this one to Phogge & Old Spanish Trail. I have optimism, but it is tempered rather than unbridled - 86 wins.
To date:
Mick 90
Giants 83
Feel free to chime in with your number. I’ll post a summary on Thursday.
(03-23-2025, 11:35 AM)Giants Wrote: The time has come for the annual Giants’ win predictions.I hope I lose on this one to Phogge & Old Spanish Trail. I have optimism, but it is tempered rather than unbridled - 86 wins.
To date:
Mick 90
Giants 83
Feel free to chime in with your number. I’ll post a summary on Thursday.
(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Giants Wrote: Here are the predictions for this season…
old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
lex24 - 80
Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!
(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Giants Wrote: Here are the predictions for this season…
old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
lex24 - 80
Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!
(03-27-2025, 11:40 AM)Leftcoast Wrote: Count me in as 82 ...
I like the off-season moves and would be optimistic if we could expect the starting line-up to stay on the field but the NL West is TOUGH and the Giants' top core talent is thin. We're one or two injuries away from having a roster with talent that looks an awful lot like last year's team with its 80-82 record.
As every longtime Giant fan knows those injuries will happen. Sigh ....
(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Giants Wrote: Here are the predictions for this season…
old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
lex24 - 80
Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!
(03-27-2025, 11:40 AM)Leftcoast Wrote: Count me in as 82 ...
I like the off-season moves and would be optimistic if we could expect the starting line-up to stay on the field but the NL West is TOUGH and the Giants' top core talent is thin. We're one or two injuries away from having a roster with talent that looks an awful lot like last year's team with its 80-82 record.
As every longtime Giant fan knows those injuries will happen. Sigh ....
(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Giants Wrote: Here are the predictions for this season…
old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
lex24 - 80
Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!