[BobK]

Peter you're an awesome fan. Sadly when the coach drives away 7 players and the frosh aren’t what Stanford is used to this is the result. It’s going to be a long season

[BobK]

Peter you're an awesome fan. Sadly when the coach drives away 7 players and the frosh aren’t what Stanford is used to this is the result. It’s going to be a long season

[crackpot]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

I play a game with myself after each game and predict what is going to be said in the post-game presser. Did they just blow it off? How am I going to keep my own streak alive?

It's really frustrating that we didn't see everyone get significant minutes. And Hailee is going to be exhausted by the time we get to the conference season.

No complaints on defense, but I can't believe that with months to prepare we are not using an offense that would allow these players to give it their best, um, shot (and, maybe, not throw up airballs as the shotclock winds down).

[crackpot]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

I play a game with myself after each game and predict what is going to be said in the post-game presser. Did they just blow it off? How am I going to keep my own streak alive?

It's really frustrating that we didn't see everyone get significant minutes. And Hailee is going to be exhausted by the time we get to the conference season.

No complaints on defense, but I can't believe that with months to prepare we are not using an offense that would allow these players to give it their best, um, shot (and, maybe, not throw up airballs as the shotclock winds down).

[petersalas]

Thank you and I completely get it. But like I’ve said before on X or something.. I need SWBB as much as they us. It’s been my go to for years. And I will always remain positive. Also, I really want to support and cheer on the players more than anything!

Peter you're an awesome fan. Sadly when the coach drives away 7 players and the frosh aren’t what Stanford is used to this is the result.  It’s going to be a long season

[petersalas]

Thank you and I completely get it. But like I’ve said before on X or something.. I need SWBB as much as they us. It’s been my go to for years. And I will always remain positive. Also, I really want to support and cheer on the players more than anything!

Peter you're an awesome fan. Sadly when the coach drives away 7 players and the frosh aren’t what Stanford is used to this is the result.  It’s going to be a long season

[stopandpop]

Tonight was a painful watch and after watching the first two scrimmages, I'm as pessimistic as Card10Fan for slightly different reasons. 

First, the players I saw are not very quick or athletic (with the exception of Shay and Nora). If our post players are getting driven around and beaten to the hoop by guards from the Big West, the faster and quicker ACC guards will give us a lot of problems. This is a much less talented team than Stanford has had in a long time.

Second, this group of players hasn't played together very much and it shows. Stanford has 5 returners (including only 1 starter), 3 transfers from different programs, and four freshmen. The new players are used to different systems and it will take time for them to gel together. This was very obvious tonight, especially in the first half.

Third, this group isn't playing quickly. Santa Barbara played much more quickly than we did on offense., while we looked laborious with the ball - and that goes straight to the coaching. 

During the first half, the offense looked disjointed. The second half was better but when we got close at the end, We reverted to the very simple "throw it into the post" offense from last year and Santa Barbara was able to defend it. 

I think Coach Paye needs to realize the type of players she has and find a freer offense for them instead of the structured offense she's been using.

Agree with all you said.  The problem you mention in your last sentence is the same problem Paye had in her first season - the players she had back then were not effective in Paye's offense.  She should have adjusted, but didn't or couldn't.  With a much less talented group this season, she continues to run an offense that maximizes Stanford's weakness and minimizes Stanford's strengths.  Paye will never realize this reality and therefore, she's unfit to coach.

[stopandpop]

Tonight was a painful watch and after watching the first two scrimmages, I'm as pessimistic as Card10Fan for slightly different reasons. 

First, the players I saw are not very quick or athletic (with the exception of Shay and Nora). If our post players are getting driven around and beaten to the hoop by guards from the Big West, the faster and quicker ACC guards will give us a lot of problems. This is a much less talented team than Stanford has had in a long time.

Second, this group of players hasn't played together very much and it shows. Stanford has 5 returners (including only 1 starter), 3 transfers from different programs, and four freshmen. The new players are used to different systems and it will take time for them to gel together. This was very obvious tonight, especially in the first half.

Third, this group isn't playing quickly. Santa Barbara played much more quickly than we did on offense., while we looked laborious with the ball - and that goes straight to the coaching. 

During the first half, the offense looked disjointed. The second half was better but when we got close at the end, We reverted to the very simple "throw it into the post" offense from last year and Santa Barbara was able to defend it. 

I think Coach Paye needs to realize the type of players she has and find a freer offense for them instead of the structured offense she's been using.

Agree with all you said.  The problem you mention in your last sentence is the same problem Paye had in her first season - the players she had back then were not effective in Paye's offense.  She should have adjusted, but didn't or couldn't.  With a much less talented group this season, she continues to run an offense that maximizes Stanford's weakness and minimizes Stanford's strengths.  Paye will never realize this reality and therefore, she's unfit to coach.

[BillBradley]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

I play a game with myself after each game and predict what is going to be said in the post-game presser. Did they just blow it off? How am I going to keep my own streak alive?

It's really frustrating that we didn't see everyone get significant minutes. And Hailee is going to be exhausted by the time we get to the conference season.

No complaints on defense, but I can't believe that with months to prepare we are not using an offense that would allow these players to give it their best, um, shot (and, maybe, not throw up airballs as the shotclock winds down).

40 minutes for Swain? In an exhibition?

[BillBradley]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

I play a game with myself after each game and predict what is going to be said in the post-game presser. Did they just blow it off? How am I going to keep my own streak alive?

It's really frustrating that we didn't see everyone get significant minutes. And Hailee is going to be exhausted by the time we get to the conference season.

No complaints on defense, but I can't believe that with months to prepare we are not using an offense that would allow these players to give it their best, um, shot (and, maybe, not throw up airballs as the shotclock winds down).

40 minutes for Swain? In an exhibition?

[JohnR34231]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

I play a game with myself after each game and predict what is going to be said in the post-game presser. Did they just blow it off? How am I going to keep my own streak alive?

It's really frustrating that we didn't see everyone get significant minutes. And Hailee is going to be exhausted by the time we get to the conference season.

No complaints on defense, but I can't believe that with months to prepare we are not using an offense that would allow these players to give it their best, um, shot (and, maybe, not throw up airballs as the shotclock winds down).

40 minutes for Swain? In an exhibition?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing myself. I guess they figured if they were going to win they had to leave her in. Unfortunately it didn't work.

[JohnR34231]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

I play a game with myself after each game and predict what is going to be said in the post-game presser. Did they just blow it off? How am I going to keep my own streak alive?

It's really frustrating that we didn't see everyone get significant minutes. And Hailee is going to be exhausted by the time we get to the conference season.

No complaints on defense, but I can't believe that with months to prepare we are not using an offense that would allow these players to give it their best, um, shot (and, maybe, not throw up airballs as the shotclock winds down).

40 minutes for Swain? In an exhibition?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing myself. I guess they figured if they were going to win they had to leave her in. Unfortunately it didn't work.

[stopandpop]

Allow me to throw in my 2 cents.

As poorly as Stanford played in their exhibition win over Pacific, this was far worse.  UC Santa Barbara controlled this game from the very beginning, creating mismatches on offense that led to multiple drives and layups.  Yes, UCSB was quicker on both sides of the court.  They created 20 Stanford turnovers to just 11 themselves.  UCSB had 12 steals to Stanford's zero.  Even with the antiquated offense, I saw confusion among Stanford's perimeter players who kept yelling instructions to others, all of which made Santa Barbara's defense even more effective.

I continue to be disappointed with Alex.  She missed countless bunnies under the basket and should have scored 20.  I have not seen Alex develop much since last season.  With all her length and talent, she should be dominating.  She is 'soft' putting up easy shots, and not making them.  Having said that, I am perplexed at how Paye is using her.  Early in the 2nd. half, Eschmeyer posted low and found herself relatively open.  On three consecutive possessions, one pass from a teammate went way over her head; the next pass was too low and got intercepted; the third was too wide to the left; clearly 3 mistakes by her teammates, and yet Paye benched Alex and kept her out for a long time.  On two occasions, I watched Paye lecturing Alex about something.  For a coach who said (during ACC media day) that she was going to give her players more freedom, she is keeping Eschmeyer on a short leash while other players are making mistakes, but allowed to stay in the game.  I have no idea what's going on.

If last night's fiasco was designed to be a 'teaching experience' for KP's players (and winning was not important, because it was an exhibition), I'll give Paye a pass on her strange substitutions at critical times during the game when Stanford got to within 4 points of UCSB.  But if the goal was to win the game, KP was totally outcoached by Renee Jimenez.

[stopandpop]

Allow me to throw in my 2 cents.

As poorly as Stanford played in their exhibition win over Pacific, this was far worse.  UC Santa Barbara controlled this game from the very beginning, creating mismatches on offense that led to multiple drives and layups.  Yes, UCSB was quicker on both sides of the court.  They created 20 Stanford turnovers to just 11 themselves.  UCSB had 12 steals to Stanford's zero.  Even with the antiquated offense, I saw confusion among Stanford's perimeter players who kept yelling instructions to others, all of which made Santa Barbara's defense even more effective.

I continue to be disappointed with Alex.  She missed countless bunnies under the basket and should have scored 20.  I have not seen Alex develop much since last season.  With all her length and talent, she should be dominating.  She is 'soft' putting up easy shots, and not making them.  Having said that, I am perplexed at how Paye is using her.  Early in the 2nd. half, Eschmeyer posted low and found herself relatively open.  On three consecutive possessions, one pass from a teammate went way over her head; the next pass was too low and got intercepted; the third was too wide to the left; clearly 3 mistakes by her teammates, and yet Paye benched Alex and kept her out for a long time.  On two occasions, I watched Paye lecturing Alex about something.  For a coach who said (during ACC media day) that she was going to give her players more freedom, she is keeping Eschmeyer on a short leash while other players are making mistakes, but allowed to stay in the game.  I have no idea what's going on.

If last night's fiasco was designed to be a 'teaching experience' for KP's players (and winning was not important, because it was an exhibition), I'll give Paye a pass on her strange substitutions at critical times during the game when Stanford got to within 4 points of UCSB.  But if the goal was to win the game, KP was totally outcoached by Renee Jimenez.

[SControl]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

Was there a press conference after the game (similar to the Pacific exhibition)? Would be curious about KP’s comments.

[SControl]

now Paye can give another emotionless cliche filled speech at the post game presser

Was there a press conference after the game (similar to the Pacific exhibition)? Would be curious about KP’s comments.

[BillBradley]

Just looked up UCSB rankings for past 5 years on Massey:

2026 - 157
2025 - 195
2024 - 195
2023 - 147
2022 - 186

Maybe it would be somewhat explainable if we had played all our players 15+ minutes. But we got run by this team playing basically our best 6, and our top player never came out of the game. And they played 9 players at least 15 minutes. Gulp.

[BillBradley]

Just looked up UCSB rankings for past 5 years on Massey:

2026 - 157
2025 - 195
2024 - 195
2023 - 147
2022 - 186

Maybe it would be somewhat explainable if we had played all our players 15+ minutes. But we got run by this team playing basically our best 6, and our top player never came out of the game. And they played 9 players at least 15 minutes. Gulp.

[SearchingForTheTruth]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 9 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

[SearchingForTheTruth]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 9 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

[martyup]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

We gave up 23 points in the 4th Q to UCSB and lost by 9.

[martyup]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

We gave up 23 points in the 4th Q to UCSB and lost by 9.

[SearchingForTheTruth]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

We gave up 23 points in the 4th Q to UCSB and lost by 9.

We scored 19 in the fourth. We were fouling down the stretch and UCSB hit their free throws (9-10 in the last 2 minutes).

[SearchingForTheTruth]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

We gave up 23 points in the 4th Q to UCSB and lost by 9.

We scored 19 in the fourth. We were fouling down the stretch and UCSB hit their free throws (9-10 in the last 2 minutes).

[76lsjumb]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

We gave up 23 points in the 4th Q to UCSB and lost by 9.

We scored 19 in the fourth. We were fouling down the stretch and UCSB hit their free throws (9-10 in the last 2 minutes).

I hope Target is open late tonight, ‘cause you’re going to have to buy a lot more lipstick. That pig ain’t looking a whole lot better…

[76lsjumb]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

We gave up 23 points in the 4th Q to UCSB and lost by 9.

We scored 19 in the fourth. We were fouling down the stretch and UCSB hit their free throws (9-10 in the last 2 minutes).

I hope Target is open late tonight, ‘cause you’re going to have to buy a lot more lipstick. That pig ain’t looking a whole lot better…

[Card10Fan]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

This account might be Kate Paye in disguise. LOL. "Good coaching adjustments" and then losing a home exhibition to UCSB cannot go in the same sentence. None of us are fooled.

[Card10Fan]

We came out in the third quarter and played much better. We held UCSB to 8 points. We shot well from the floor in the third and fourth quarters (45.5% and 44.4%). Good coaching adjustments in my opinion.

This account might be Kate Paye in disguise. LOL. "Good coaching adjustments" and then losing a home exhibition to UCSB cannot go in the same sentence. None of us are fooled.

[Papa John]

Here's a writeup from On3 that includes comments from Coach KP.

[Papa John]

Here's a writeup from On3 that includes comments from Coach KP.

[mbdude]

Matches what "Searching for the Truth" said. A few cliches also

[mbdude]

Matches what "Searching for the Truth" said. A few cliches also

[fullmetal]

Allow me to throw in my 2 cents.

As poorly as Stanford played in their exhibition win over Pacific, this was far worse.  UC Santa Barbara controlled this game from the very beginning, creating mismatches on offense that led to multiple drives and layups.  Yes, UCSB was quicker on both sides of the court.  They created 20 Stanford turnovers to just 11 themselves.  UCSB had 12 steals to Stanford's zero.  Even with the antiquated offense, I saw confusion among Stanford's perimeter players who kept yelling instructions to others, all of which made Santa Barbara's defense even more effective.

I continue to be disappointed with Alex.  She missed countless bunnies under the basket and should have scored 20.  I have not seen Alex develop much since last season.  With all her length and talent, she should be dominating.  She is 'soft' putting up easy shots, and not making them.  Having said that, I am perplexed at how Paye is using her.  Early in the 2nd. half, Eschmeyer posted low and found herself relatively open.  On three consecutive possessions, one pass from a teammate went way over her head; the next pass was too low and got intercepted; the third was too wide to the left; clearly 3 mistakes by her teammates, and yet Paye benched Alex and kept her out for a long time.  On two occasions, I watched Paye lecturing Alex about something.  For a coach who said (during ACC media day) that she was going to give her players more freedom, she is keeping Eschmeyer on a short leash while other players are making mistakes, but allowed to stay in the game.  I have no idea what's going on.

If last night's fiasco was designed to be a 'teaching experience' for KP's players (and winning was not important, because it was an exhibition), I'll give Paye a pass on her strange substitutions at critical times during the game when Stanford got to within 4 points of UCSB.  But if the goal was to win the game, KP was totally outcoached by Renee Jimenez.

Sound analysis and context.  Thanks for this.

[fullmetal]

Allow me to throw in my 2 cents.

As poorly as Stanford played in their exhibition win over Pacific, this was far worse.  UC Santa Barbara controlled this game from the very beginning, creating mismatches on offense that led to multiple drives and layups.  Yes, UCSB was quicker on both sides of the court.  They created 20 Stanford turnovers to just 11 themselves.  UCSB had 12 steals to Stanford's zero.  Even with the antiquated offense, I saw confusion among Stanford's perimeter players who kept yelling instructions to others, all of which made Santa Barbara's defense even more effective.

I continue to be disappointed with Alex.  She missed countless bunnies under the basket and should have scored 20.  I have not seen Alex develop much since last season.  With all her length and talent, she should be dominating.  She is 'soft' putting up easy shots, and not making them.  Having said that, I am perplexed at how Paye is using her.  Early in the 2nd. half, Eschmeyer posted low and found herself relatively open.  On three consecutive possessions, one pass from a teammate went way over her head; the next pass was too low and got intercepted; the third was too wide to the left; clearly 3 mistakes by her teammates, and yet Paye benched Alex and kept her out for a long time.  On two occasions, I watched Paye lecturing Alex about something.  For a coach who said (during ACC media day) that she was going to give her players more freedom, she is keeping Eschmeyer on a short leash while other players are making mistakes, but allowed to stay in the game.  I have no idea what's going on.

If last night's fiasco was designed to be a 'teaching experience' for KP's players (and winning was not important, because it was an exhibition), I'll give Paye a pass on her strange substitutions at critical times during the game when Stanford got to within 4 points of UCSB.  But if the goal was to win the game, KP was totally outcoached by Renee Jimenez.

Sound analysis and context.  Thanks for this.