[NDIrish]

"...Stanford had no business losing probably 6 or 7 of those 10, including the last two at South Bend (sorry)." 

I am probably starting a fire that will ruin what has been a good discussion thus far by commenting on this, but i wouldn't say by any means that they had no business losing these 2 games.  You can say that they definitely could have won, or played well enough to win, but i wouldn't say no business.  There was 1 poor and one judgement PI call on the last scoring drive last year, so i understand that, but still a great play was made on the go ahead TD and it rain soaked game.  What hurt you were 2 Ints and 47 yards rushing.  And for 2012... heck of game i have looked for awhile to try and find a replay of that game, but have not.  Last play was crazy, people can argue forever on if he was in or not, not going to get into that, but even if he was in, it ties the game, not wins it, so you don't know what would have happened....

But appreciate the rest of the post!  Its really hard to judge coaches, i dont love brian kelly as nd's coach, i think he is a very good coach, probably top 8 in the country, but until you can guarantee you have one of the 1-7, i say stick with him.  I guess what has always bothered me about shaw is his reservations and lack of creativity.  I think he has a great football mind, but limits his team one what they can do.  Just an outsiders opinion.

[NDIrish]

"...Stanford had no business losing probably 6 or 7 of those 10, including the last two at South Bend (sorry)." 

I am probably starting a fire that will ruin what has been a good discussion thus far by commenting on this, but i wouldn't say by any means that they had no business losing these 2 games.  You can say that they definitely could have won, or played well enough to win, but i wouldn't say no business.  There was 1 poor and one judgement PI call on the last scoring drive last year, so i understand that, but still a great play was made on the go ahead TD and it rain soaked game.  What hurt you were 2 Ints and 47 yards rushing.  And for 2012... heck of game i have looked for awhile to try and find a replay of that game, but have not.  Last play was crazy, people can argue forever on if he was in or not, not going to get into that, but even if he was in, it ties the game, not wins it, so you don't know what would have happened....

But appreciate the rest of the post!  Its really hard to judge coaches, i dont love brian kelly as nd's coach, i think he is a very good coach, probably top 8 in the country, but until you can guarantee you have one of the 1-7, i say stick with him.  I guess what has always bothered me about shaw is his reservations and lack of creativity.  I think he has a great football mind, but limits his team one what they can do.  Just an outsiders opinion.