[NDIrish]

[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=13731.msg143470#msg143470 date=1448387525]What my concern has always  been with shaw is the farther and farther he gets away from what harbaugh had built, the worse his team seems to get, and i think that stat shows it...

That's just flat-out wrong. This team is the best we've had since 2010. People tend to read too far into records for these sorts of comparisons, and that matters because the Pac-12 is just way more competitive than it was in Harbaugh's tenure. Going 8-1 in league play in 2015 is a lot more impressive than doing it in 2011.

I find it really hard to argue that Shaw is anything short of a fantastic coach. This team is now entirely his own recruits and it's won the Pac-12 North, is one game away from a Rose Bowl and two away from a potential playoff berth. What more do people want from him? Going undefeated every year? No one can do that. Chip Kelly didn't do it, Saban doesn't do it, Urban Meyer doesn't do it.
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Thanks for the info, i hadn't thought about how much more competitive that pac 12 is since then, they have gotten better as well, so that is a great point.  As an outsider just asking question, all i can do is look at stats and take away what i see a few times a year.

Going undefeated is obviously not realistic, but just looking at the games he is losing, if you are comfortable with that, great then you are lucky to have a coach you believe in for the future.  I hope for this selfish reasons that stanford maintains being a great team so that ND's sos stays higher, the problem is, we just gotta beat you for that mean anything, lol

I think stanford week is starting to become one of my favorite weeks, i try and get these chats going with other teams and they never get this interesting, and its only been a day, lol, appreciate it!

[NDIrish]

[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=13731.msg143470#msg143470 date=1448387525]What my concern has always  been with shaw is the farther and farther he gets away from what harbaugh had built, the worse his team seems to get, and i think that stat shows it...

That's just flat-out wrong. This team is the best we've had since 2010. People tend to read too far into records for these sorts of comparisons, and that matters because the Pac-12 is just way more competitive than it was in Harbaugh's tenure. Going 8-1 in league play in 2015 is a lot more impressive than doing it in 2011.

I find it really hard to argue that Shaw is anything short of a fantastic coach. This team is now entirely his own recruits and it's won the Pac-12 North, is one game away from a Rose Bowl and two away from a potential playoff berth. What more do people want from him? Going undefeated every year? No one can do that. Chip Kelly didn't do it, Saban doesn't do it, Urban Meyer doesn't do it.
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Thanks for the info, i hadn't thought about how much more competitive that pac 12 is since then, they have gotten better as well, so that is a great point.  As an outsider just asking question, all i can do is look at stats and take away what i see a few times a year.

Going undefeated is obviously not realistic, but just looking at the games he is losing, if you are comfortable with that, great then you are lucky to have a coach you believe in for the future.  I hope for this selfish reasons that stanford maintains being a great team so that ND's sos stays higher, the problem is, we just gotta beat you for that mean anything, lol

I think stanford week is starting to become one of my favorite weeks, i try and get these chats going with other teams and they never get this interesting, and its only been a day, lol, appreciate it!