[OutsiderFan]

Irish fans ranting about the incidents.

http://www.domerdomain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50970

Not very Catholic of them to be so dismissive of these young men.  As usual, the comments are quite revealing.  "They weren't pulled over and charged because they were black, they just broke the law," but also drop in "getting elite athletes means you're recruiting criminals." These guys twists themselves in pretzels trying to hide their racism and prejudices in a way that makes them seem like they aren't, but their comments leave you with no other conclusion than they are.

The data shows these football players well could have been pulled over because they are black.  They may have only been charged because they were black.  Moreover, a car full of white young men may never have been pulled over to start.  This is a reality not even registering among those ND fans. 

For me, it's simple.  If you're a responsible adult with sound judgment, you don't get in a car with someone who might have an unregistered (perhaps stolen) gun or have one without the proper legal permits. The marijuana thing is pretty benign, but the gun is a much bigger deal. 

ND fans are calling for dismissal from the team.  I think that's a bit harsh, particularly depending on what the records of those arrested.  If it's a first offense and someone didn't know there was a gun, a game or two suspension seems warranted.  But kicking off the team and out of school seems not to be the very Catholic thing to do.  In Redfield's case in particular, he's studying Chinese and has talked about a career in the CIA, so I doubt he's some terrible person who routinely exercises bad judgment.

[OutsiderFan]

Irish fans ranting about the incidents.

http://www.domerdomain.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50970

Not very Catholic of them to be so dismissive of these young men.  As usual, the comments are quite revealing.  "They weren't pulled over and charged because they were black, they just broke the law," but also drop in "getting elite athletes means you're recruiting criminals." These guys twists themselves in pretzels trying to hide their racism and prejudices in a way that makes them seem like they aren't, but their comments leave you with no other conclusion than they are.

The data shows these football players well could have been pulled over because they are black.  They may have only been charged because they were black.  Moreover, a car full of white young men may never have been pulled over to start.  This is a reality not even registering among those ND fans. 

For me, it's simple.  If you're a responsible adult with sound judgment, you don't get in a car with someone who might have an unregistered (perhaps stolen) gun or have one without the proper legal permits. The marijuana thing is pretty benign, but the gun is a much bigger deal. 

ND fans are calling for dismissal from the team.  I think that's a bit harsh, particularly depending on what the records of those arrested.  If it's a first offense and someone didn't know there was a gun, a game or two suspension seems warranted.  But kicking off the team and out of school seems not to be the very Catholic thing to do.  In Redfield's case in particular, he's studying Chinese and has talked about a career in the CIA, so I doubt he's some terrible person who routinely exercises bad judgment.