05-26-2017, 02:04 PM
Did a quick look at 2007/2008 - 2012/2013 - so 6 seasons. Over the most recent few years the gap has been big enough that I am pretty confident Stanford would win in the new format after reviewing these 6 years.
The new system counts 19 sports that must include 4 core sports. That leaves 15 non-core to tally.
In those 6 years, Stanford earned between 1101.25 - 1211 with the best 15 non-core sports.Â
In most years the over/under cutoff to make the Stanford's best 15 was right around 60 points. Only a few years would a women's team count in the new system when it didn't in the old system. For STANFORD that change is not material.
For Stanford, the 4 core sports were quite variable. Undoubtedly that was seen as a positive to the NACDA.
Stanford earned between 137 - 327 in those core 4 over the 6 years. WVB and WBB were consistently in the top 19 anyway, but less true for Men's hoops and baseball. Baseball's contributions were mixed over the span. Men's hoops was reliably close to 0. >:(
Put it all together and Stanford tallies should be ~100-150 less per year in the new system. Roughly half of that will come from the reduction from 20 teams to 19 teams. The other half will come from the forced inclusion of a non-scoring core teams.Â
Now for the curious part.
Florida would have won twice over that 6 year span. They would have won in the 2011/2012 season and in the 2012/2013 season. How are they impacted by the new system? Would you believe....not much at all.
Believe it or not they would have obtained HIGHER scores in the new system in the two years they would have finished first. Florida routinely has 8 men's scores and ~11 or 12 women's scores. They are also reliably scoring in the core 4, and if they don't get a tally in those 4 they do not have other big point totals in reserve. So the core concept doesn't really hurt their tally at all.
Florida would have won in 2011/2012
Florida: 1350
Stanford: 1329.75
Florida only had 1314 in the existing system. Also, they had no real points in reserve. If the new system still had 20 sports, Stanford would win as Stanford's 20 total would be much higher than UF's 20th.
Florida would have won in 2012/2013
Florida: 1241
Stanford: 1238.25
That was the close year so the results would flip on most minor scoring changes, but....again if there were 20 sports Stanford would win.
The move to gender neutrality helps Florida since they rarely had 10 men's sports getting tallies.
The move to 19 sports helps Florida since they rarely had 20 scoring teams.
And the 4 core sports helps Florida a lot since Stanford likely gets stuck with a 0 or two and Florida is historically strong in all 4 sports. Additionally should Florida have off years in any of the core sports they wouldn't have sports in reserve to add to the tally anyway.
Thanks to UCLA and USC success in beach volleyball I suspect they now have extra women's tallies too. So that gender neutral change should help them going forward as both rarely had 10 men's sports adding to their tallies.
Way back in the day, the NACDA did not allow teams to have Indoor and Outdoor track totals. If that was still in place Stanford would win easily because UF is getting 4 big scores out of track & field. Can only guess that modification to the system was not considered this time. ;)
My guess is Stanford will not win at some point soon. It will be a year when baseball and men's hoop miss the post-season AND WVB or WBB get bumped early. That might translate into ~100 core points with an overall total in the 1200-1300 range.
Florida, USC UCLA likely have point ceilings new 1300 in the new system, so a Cup would happen for one of them if their good year coincides with a Stanford down year in these 4 "core" sports.Â
The new system counts 19 sports that must include 4 core sports. That leaves 15 non-core to tally.
In those 6 years, Stanford earned between 1101.25 - 1211 with the best 15 non-core sports.Â
In most years the over/under cutoff to make the Stanford's best 15 was right around 60 points. Only a few years would a women's team count in the new system when it didn't in the old system. For STANFORD that change is not material.
For Stanford, the 4 core sports were quite variable. Undoubtedly that was seen as a positive to the NACDA.
Stanford earned between 137 - 327 in those core 4 over the 6 years. WVB and WBB were consistently in the top 19 anyway, but less true for Men's hoops and baseball. Baseball's contributions were mixed over the span. Men's hoops was reliably close to 0. >:(
Put it all together and Stanford tallies should be ~100-150 less per year in the new system. Roughly half of that will come from the reduction from 20 teams to 19 teams. The other half will come from the forced inclusion of a non-scoring core teams.Â
Now for the curious part.
Florida would have won twice over that 6 year span. They would have won in the 2011/2012 season and in the 2012/2013 season. How are they impacted by the new system? Would you believe....not much at all.
Believe it or not they would have obtained HIGHER scores in the new system in the two years they would have finished first. Florida routinely has 8 men's scores and ~11 or 12 women's scores. They are also reliably scoring in the core 4, and if they don't get a tally in those 4 they do not have other big point totals in reserve. So the core concept doesn't really hurt their tally at all.
Florida would have won in 2011/2012
Florida: 1350
Stanford: 1329.75
Florida only had 1314 in the existing system. Also, they had no real points in reserve. If the new system still had 20 sports, Stanford would win as Stanford's 20 total would be much higher than UF's 20th.
Florida would have won in 2012/2013
Florida: 1241
Stanford: 1238.25
That was the close year so the results would flip on most minor scoring changes, but....again if there were 20 sports Stanford would win.
The move to gender neutrality helps Florida since they rarely had 10 men's sports getting tallies.
The move to 19 sports helps Florida since they rarely had 20 scoring teams.
And the 4 core sports helps Florida a lot since Stanford likely gets stuck with a 0 or two and Florida is historically strong in all 4 sports. Additionally should Florida have off years in any of the core sports they wouldn't have sports in reserve to add to the tally anyway.
Thanks to UCLA and USC success in beach volleyball I suspect they now have extra women's tallies too. So that gender neutral change should help them going forward as both rarely had 10 men's sports adding to their tallies.
Way back in the day, the NACDA did not allow teams to have Indoor and Outdoor track totals. If that was still in place Stanford would win easily because UF is getting 4 big scores out of track & field. Can only guess that modification to the system was not considered this time. ;)
My guess is Stanford will not win at some point soon. It will be a year when baseball and men's hoop miss the post-season AND WVB or WBB get bumped early. That might translate into ~100 core points with an overall total in the 1200-1300 range.
Florida, USC UCLA likely have point ceilings new 1300 in the new system, so a Cup would happen for one of them if their good year coincides with a Stanford down year in these 4 "core" sports.Â

