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[quote author=jacketree link=topic=17482.msg202547#msg202547 date=1506275393]
I think going for it on 4th and 6th from that distance is usually a better play than punting, particularly when you defense is a little iffy.  Should have gone for it on 4th and 1 probably.

That's why the whole sequence was bonkers. 4th and 1, should probably go for it in that field position, but Shaw never does that. To see him make the 4th and 6 call then was really strange. if we had come upon that 4th and 6 with that field position, without having that FG delay of game attempt right before it, I don't think Shaw goes for it.
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Regarding the decision to kick the field goal on 4th and 1, you have to factor in the score of the game at the time.  I don't recall the score at the time, but I suspect that 3 more points would have been important to our margin and Coach Shaw was confident that Toner could hit it. Therefore, the risk of getting stopped and turning it over on downs was too high compared to the high probability of putting 3 more points on the board.  Once we suffered the foolish delay of game penalty, we were out of Toner's range.  At that point, you have to wipe the slate clean and make the decision based on field position, the score, and the probability of success. 

[martyup]

[quote author=jacketree link=topic=17482.msg202547#msg202547 date=1506275393]
I think going for it on 4th and 6th from that distance is usually a better play than punting, particularly when you defense is a little iffy.  Should have gone for it on 4th and 1 probably.

That's why the whole sequence was bonkers. 4th and 1, should probably go for it in that field position, but Shaw never does that. To see him make the 4th and 6 call then was really strange. if we had come upon that 4th and 6 with that field position, without having that FG delay of game attempt right before it, I don't think Shaw goes for it.
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Regarding the decision to kick the field goal on 4th and 1, you have to factor in the score of the game at the time.  I don't recall the score at the time, but I suspect that 3 more points would have been important to our margin and Coach Shaw was confident that Toner could hit it. Therefore, the risk of getting stopped and turning it over on downs was too high compared to the high probability of putting 3 more points on the board.  Once we suffered the foolish delay of game penalty, we were out of Toner's range.  At that point, you have to wipe the slate clean and make the decision based on field position, the score, and the probability of success.