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[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17793.msg208512#msg208512 date=1509080634]
So while maybe this game might not matter much in the grand playoff scheme of things, you need to play every game as if it's an opportunity to advance the chess pieces towards that goal. That didn't reach that standard.

Agreed, but what you write is a far cry off from declaring "This team will never win a natty".  I mean, it's true that odds are Shaw won't win a national championship; the list of great coaches to not win a national title is very long and distinguished. Obviously, I think making the playoffs should be our goal every year, and I agree that this game bodes poorly for that.  But we must not loose sight of things; not winning a national title would not take anything away from Shaw's accomplishments, which is what I think the OP was doing that would have made his post a "troll move".

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Im grateful for what Shaw has done for the program up to a point.  But if he wants to take that next step into greatness beyond just pac 12 championships - he has to be cognizant of his short comings and be amenable to change.  He shows complete - and i mean complete unwavering loyalty to his staff when this shouldnt neccessarily be the case.  I dont suggest to fire some or any of them, but bringing in external advisors to supplement the play calling and player development with infusion of new ideas would is not a novel concept.  You can say im trolling and you
you can unfallingly continue to blindly cite and believe espn's asinine Football power Index prediction - (which btw had stanford at over 90% win probability over OSU, 80+% over usc and 85% over sdsu) but as others have indicated - Shaw has consistently exhibited incomprehensible errors such as The delay of game penalty on the last drive that was completely unacceptable at a fundamental coaching level.  People also forget shaw was qb coach for the ravens - and we all know how good the ravens qbs were during that tenure (hint not great). Same with Tavita's qb development accolades and experience.  If you're fine with 10 win seasons followed by occasional foster farm bowls and worse, but possibly never a cfp - then shaw most likely is your guy.  To even have a shot at a national championship, you have to maximize your opportunies to win by limiting egregious examples of poor in game decision making at a minimum. 

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[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17793.msg208512#msg208512 date=1509080634]
So while maybe this game might not matter much in the grand playoff scheme of things, you need to play every game as if it's an opportunity to advance the chess pieces towards that goal. That didn't reach that standard.

Agreed, but what you write is a far cry off from declaring "This team will never win a natty".  I mean, it's true that odds are Shaw won't win a national championship; the list of great coaches to not win a national title is very long and distinguished. Obviously, I think making the playoffs should be our goal every year, and I agree that this game bodes poorly for that.  But we must not loose sight of things; not winning a national title would not take anything away from Shaw's accomplishments, which is what I think the OP was doing that would have made his post a "troll move".

BC
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Im grateful for what Shaw has done for the program up to a point.  But if he wants to take that next step into greatness beyond just pac 12 championships - he has to be cognizant of his short comings and be amenable to change.  He shows complete - and i mean complete unwavering loyalty to his staff when this shouldnt neccessarily be the case.  I dont suggest to fire some or any of them, but bringing in external advisors to supplement the play calling and player development with infusion of new ideas would is not a novel concept.  You can say im trolling and you
you can unfallingly continue to blindly cite and believe espn's asinine Football power Index prediction - (which btw had stanford at over 90% win probability over OSU, 80+% over usc and 85% over sdsu) but as others have indicated - Shaw has consistently exhibited incomprehensible errors such as The delay of game penalty on the last drive that was completely unacceptable at a fundamental coaching level.  People also forget shaw was qb coach for the ravens - and we all know how good the ravens qbs were during that tenure (hint not great). Same with Tavita's qb development accolades and experience.  If you're fine with 10 win seasons followed by occasional foster farm bowls and worse, but possibly never a cfp - then shaw most likely is your guy.  To even have a shot at a national championship, you have to maximize your opportunies to win by limiting egregious examples of poor in game decision making at a minimum.