Yes, SamuelMcF, I too was counting 2016 as Dawkins' because they both committed to Stanford before Haase was hired and it was unrealistic that he was going to do anything different there.
Since then, our 2017 class was 14th in the country and 4th in the PAC-12, and our 2018 class 20th and 5th.
And CTcard, I agree that 2014 was great - it was our gold standard recruiting year since the Lopii Twins. But the problem was that that one year carried us for years before and after:
2011: 105th (it was Randle, who was really good, but it was only Randle, and 247 punishes small classes the way it ranks)
2012: 34th
2013: 43rd
2014: 12th
2015: 35th
2016: 56th
That's one top 25 class in 6 seasons. I don't see how it's possible to say "recruiting seems to have been better than Stanford basketball performance for some time now." In that time we made the Sweet Sixteen and won the NIT twice. I actually thought a big part of the problem with Dawkins was the recruiting - he was never able to put together solid back-to-back classes. It just doesn't work to have one or two great players come along every 3-4 years in men's hoops. You can sort of do that in women's if your player is a top 3-5 (witness the Kelsey Plum era at Washington), but men's hoops has too much parity.
Anyway, all of this is to say, absent something appalling, I'm giving Haase until at least the end of next season to see what he can do.
Since then, our 2017 class was 14th in the country and 4th in the PAC-12, and our 2018 class 20th and 5th.
And CTcard, I agree that 2014 was great - it was our gold standard recruiting year since the Lopii Twins. But the problem was that that one year carried us for years before and after:
2011: 105th (it was Randle, who was really good, but it was only Randle, and 247 punishes small classes the way it ranks)
2012: 34th
2013: 43rd
2014: 12th
2015: 35th
2016: 56th
That's one top 25 class in 6 seasons. I don't see how it's possible to say "recruiting seems to have been better than Stanford basketball performance for some time now." In that time we made the Sweet Sixteen and won the NIT twice. I actually thought a big part of the problem with Dawkins was the recruiting - he was never able to put together solid back-to-back classes. It just doesn't work to have one or two great players come along every 3-4 years in men's hoops. You can sort of do that in women's if your player is a top 3-5 (witness the Kelsey Plum era at Washington), but men's hoops has too much parity.
Anyway, all of this is to say, absent something appalling, I'm giving Haase until at least the end of next season to see what he can do.