01-24-2019, 07:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-24-2019, 07:32 PM by BostonCard.)
Quiz: What do Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Boise State have in common?
Answer: They are the only teams that have had a better record than Stanford over the last 8 years (Shaw's tenure as head coach).
Teams not on that list: Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Wisconsin, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame... and a bunch of others.
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So, we should discount Harbaugh's accomplishments as well because: Luck?
Worth noting that Shaw took us to two Rose Bowls with Hogan and Taylor (2012) and Hogan and Gaffney (2013). There were some great defenders on those teams, but none that would qualify as an "all-everything superstar".
As mentioned elsewhere, Shaw has managed to win with an explosive offense and mediocre defense, a mediocre offense and great defenses, a run-first power offense, a pass-first big play offense. He's won with Voldemort runners-up on offense; he's won with good but hardly superstar players. He's won with dominant offensive lines; he's won with offensive lines that were a sieve on pass blocking and dysfunctional offensive lines that couldn't run-block a damn. The only constant in 8 years as head coach is that he has always won... never fewer than eight games.
To be honest, I find that much more impressive than his ability to win 11+ games with Andrew Luck or Christian McCaffrey on the roster.
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Answer: They are the only teams that have had a better record than Stanford over the last 8 years (Shaw's tenure as head coach).
Teams not on that list: Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Wisconsin, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame... and a bunch of others.
BC
(01-24-2019, 11:59 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: I'm saying he definitely gets credit for CMac, but needing to find an all-everything superstar like that again in order to get back to 2015-and-earlier levels of success doesn't bode well.
So, we should discount Harbaugh's accomplishments as well because: Luck?
Worth noting that Shaw took us to two Rose Bowls with Hogan and Taylor (2012) and Hogan and Gaffney (2013). There were some great defenders on those teams, but none that would qualify as an "all-everything superstar".
As mentioned elsewhere, Shaw has managed to win with an explosive offense and mediocre defense, a mediocre offense and great defenses, a run-first power offense, a pass-first big play offense. He's won with Voldemort runners-up on offense; he's won with good but hardly superstar players. He's won with dominant offensive lines; he's won with offensive lines that were a sieve on pass blocking and dysfunctional offensive lines that couldn't run-block a damn. The only constant in 8 years as head coach is that he has always won... never fewer than eight games.
To be honest, I find that much more impressive than his ability to win 11+ games with Andrew Luck or Christian McCaffrey on the roster.
BC