“WAR. Wumph. What is if good for. Absolutely nothing.”
He also has decent power and a good glove. I know hes frustrating as hell. And he’s nowhere near as good as the metric people have made him out to be. But he’s not the bum us old folks think he is either. He’s been a pretty solid player for the Giants.
Other way around - his contract provides that he may list 8 teams to which he may refuse a trade. I don’t have the list. But he listed 8 contenders. I do know that the Braves ARE on the list. He did it to allow some control over the process. Plus I think there may be a financial angle.
BTW, when assessing his value consider this: He has pitched in three elimination games – two wildcard games and his relief appearance in game seven of the 2014 World Series. His numbers: 23 IP. 10 Hits. 0 runs. 4 walks. 20 K’s. 2 CG shutouts and a 5 inning save. He also pitched a quasi elimination game in ‘14 Series. Game 5 at home, series tied 2-2 and games 6-7 in KC. That game he pitched another shutout. 4 hits. No walks. 8 strikeouts.
You throw all the metric crap out the window when you consider his worth to a contender. At this point, I don’t pull the trigger on a deal unless I get at least one top major league ready prospect. And I mean top prospect, not some guy who is the third or fourth guy on some teams list.
If they keep him I think they have a good chance of re-signing him. I see him as someone who wants to finish his career on the giants along with Posey Plus I think he gives a hometown discount. He does not seem to be a money driven guy. You don’t need a whole lot of bsucks to live happily ever after out on the ranch in North Carolina.
In any event, I’ll be there when they unveil his statue at Willie Mays Park.
(07-22-2019, 11:09 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have a friend who hates Belt as much as Bob. So I looked up Belt's stats today. He's got a .363 OB%, which is pretty good. On the flip side, his WAR is 1, but more interestingly it's only .6 on O and actually -.9 on D. So effectively, you can replace Belt with just about anyone and not lose anything. Now I throw out a theory.
One reason they brought Zach Green up was to get a quick look at him before the trade deadline. With Longoria out for a few weeks, they can platoon Panda and Green at 3rd. But, they might also be able to trade Belt to say Texas, put Green at 3B or 1B, and when Longoria comes back, have Green play 1B, with Panda as a 3B and 1B option depending on match-ups.
He also has decent power and a good glove. I know hes frustrating as hell. And he’s nowhere near as good as the metric people have made him out to be. But he’s not the bum us old folks think he is either. He’s been a pretty solid player for the Giants.
(07-22-2019, 10:27 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(07-22-2019, 12:43 PM)BobK Wrote: Baer and the new head will be on my enemies list if Belt still here Aug 1.
Outsider has the plan. As does Phogge. Just get it done Giants
8 games before the deadline.
Belt has one great skill: taking pitches, be they balls or strikes. Unfortunately there’s no shortage of people who could stand up there and do that.
Other way around - his contract provides that he may list 8 teams to which he may refuse a trade. I don’t have the list. But he listed 8 contenders. I do know that the Braves ARE on the list. He did it to allow some control over the process. Plus I think there may be a financial angle.
BTW, when assessing his value consider this: He has pitched in three elimination games – two wildcard games and his relief appearance in game seven of the 2014 World Series. His numbers: 23 IP. 10 Hits. 0 runs. 4 walks. 20 K’s. 2 CG shutouts and a 5 inning save. He also pitched a quasi elimination game in ‘14 Series. Game 5 at home, series tied 2-2 and games 6-7 in KC. That game he pitched another shutout. 4 hits. No walks. 8 strikeouts.
You throw all the metric crap out the window when you consider his worth to a contender. At this point, I don’t pull the trigger on a deal unless I get at least one top major league ready prospect. And I mean top prospect, not some guy who is the third or fourth guy on some teams list.
If they keep him I think they have a good chance of re-signing him. I see him as someone who wants to finish his career on the giants along with Posey Plus I think he gives a hometown discount. He does not seem to be a money driven guy. You don’t need a whole lot of bsucks to live happily ever after out on the ranch in North Carolina.
In any event, I’ll be there when they unveil his statue at Willie Mays Park.
(07-22-2019, 02:03 PM)BobK Wrote: Well here’s news
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants...tay-giants
Bum has a no trade contract except for 8 teams