[Farm93]

So, if I read your comment correctly, Shaw is not a top tier coach in your opinion. If he were great or top tier, he would have wanted to challenge himself at the highest level, either at other programs or the NFL. Since Shaw has not, he is happily complacent at Stanford and mediocrity.

Fair point indeed.

[quote="Farm93" pid='260400' dateline='1573396904']

Shaw is different.   He has ties to Stanford.   He is a top tier coach.   If he were to leave.  Stanford would need the following things to happen.

A top tier football mind.
A coach capable of recruiting athletes out of the South to play in Northern California
A coach willing to tolerate coaching in front of 20,000 fans in the 2nd & 3rd quarters of games, and as few a a couple of hundred fans at the end of a game if the 4th quarter is played after 9PM.
A coach willing to accept a job with few chances to get the product promotional money common in other areas of the USA
Oh, and a coach willing to navigate Stanford's very restrictive administration standards.

Based on that list Stanford's next coach will be an unproven coach and/or an alum.

The catch is if the unproven coach is successful even for a year, then they immediately will be able to command a 2X or 3X increase in salary, additional fame and prestige by going to SEC or BigTen or NFL.   They will leave.   (see.  Harbaugh, Green, Walsh).   The more likely scenario is they will not succeed because of the reasons above, and be fired after 2 or 3 years.    (see Football 2002-2007, or basketball)

So for Stanford to get an great, or amazing coach, and keep that coach for many years that coach needs to have links to Stanford.  Essentially the only applicant that would match or exceed the hire of David Shaw 2011 would be David Shaw 2020.  

To put it a different way, if David Shaw was at Northwestern, or Duke or Rice with the success he has had over the last 8+ seasons we would likely be screaming at the administration to take advantage of this down year and get him coaching at Stanford. 

The grass is always greener....

[Farm93]

So, if I read your comment correctly, Shaw is not a top tier coach in your opinion. If he were great or top tier, he would have wanted to challenge himself at the highest level, either at other programs or the NFL. Since Shaw has not, he is happily complacent at Stanford and mediocrity.

Fair point indeed.

[quote="Farm93" pid='260400' dateline='1573396904']

Shaw is different.   He has ties to Stanford.   He is a top tier coach.   If he were to leave.  Stanford would need the following things to happen.

A top tier football mind.
A coach capable of recruiting athletes out of the South to play in Northern California
A coach willing to tolerate coaching in front of 20,000 fans in the 2nd & 3rd quarters of games, and as few a a couple of hundred fans at the end of a game if the 4th quarter is played after 9PM.
A coach willing to accept a job with few chances to get the product promotional money common in other areas of the USA
Oh, and a coach willing to navigate Stanford's very restrictive administration standards.

Based on that list Stanford's next coach will be an unproven coach and/or an alum.

The catch is if the unproven coach is successful even for a year, then they immediately will be able to command a 2X or 3X increase in salary, additional fame and prestige by going to SEC or BigTen or NFL.   They will leave.   (see.  Harbaugh, Green, Walsh).   The more likely scenario is they will not succeed because of the reasons above, and be fired after 2 or 3 years.    (see Football 2002-2007, or basketball)

So for Stanford to get an great, or amazing coach, and keep that coach for many years that coach needs to have links to Stanford.  Essentially the only applicant that would match or exceed the hire of David Shaw 2011 would be David Shaw 2020.  

To put it a different way, if David Shaw was at Northwestern, or Duke or Rice with the success he has had over the last 8+ seasons we would likely be screaming at the administration to take advantage of this down year and get him coaching at Stanford. 

The grass is always greener....