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I don't know what else you want.  I provided five examples of Power five teams with substantively empty stadiums, and linked the accompanying articles, all of which more or less say the same thing, that attendance in college football is dropping across the board.  I noted earlier in the thread that for the first time since 1973, Notre Dame failed to sell out its own game, while you assert, without providing evidence that this is uniquely a Shaw problem.

Maybe (even probably) Shaw has contributed to the decline in attendance.  I would not be the least bit surprised if attendance has dropped more dramatically at Stanford from 2011 to 2019 than it has at other schools, commensurate with the fact that our record has also gotten worse over that time period.  But you made the assertion without the least bit of evidence to support it, and in the context of a longstanding decline in attendance at Stanford football (or did we shrink the stadium just during the Shaw years), the decline of attendance at other Stanford sports (there is an entire thread devoted to the attendance decline in the *checks notes* the number one ranked, Tara Vanderveer coached, Stanford Women's basketball team) and the decline in attendance college football generally, maybe it is possible that the implication that attendance has dropped at Stanford football while Shaw has been coaching means that the attendance drop is due to Shaw's coaching would strike me as the intellectually lazy position.  But you know, maybe your well-researched and nuanced position didn't fully come across in your post.

BC

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I don't know what else you want.  I provided five examples of Power five teams with substantively empty stadiums, and linked the accompanying articles, all of which more or less say the same thing, that attendance in college football is dropping across the board.  I noted earlier in the thread that for the first time since 1973, Notre Dame failed to sell out its own game, while you assert, without providing evidence that this is uniquely a Shaw problem.

Maybe (even probably) Shaw has contributed to the decline in attendance.  I would not be the least bit surprised if attendance has dropped more dramatically at Stanford from 2011 to 2019 than it has at other schools, commensurate with the fact that our record has also gotten worse over that time period.  But you made the assertion without the least bit of evidence to support it, and in the context of a longstanding decline in attendance at Stanford football (or did we shrink the stadium just during the Shaw years), the decline of attendance at other Stanford sports (there is an entire thread devoted to the attendance decline in the *checks notes* the number one ranked, Tara Vanderveer coached, Stanford Women's basketball team) and the decline in attendance college football generally, maybe it is possible that the implication that attendance has dropped at Stanford football while Shaw has been coaching means that the attendance drop is due to Shaw's coaching would strike me as the intellectually lazy position.  But you know, maybe your well-researched and nuanced position didn't fully come across in your post.

BC