01-23-2020, 04:58 PM
(01-23-2020, 03:52 PM)Mick Wrote: Yes, cherry picking works both ways. Except the players I selected weren't cherry picked. I picked them because they were recent power hitters, like Walker. Of the nine you cherry-picked, none had profiles similar to Walker.
Three (Wagner, Collins, and Anson) played during the dead ball era. Another (Jackson) was the strikeout king. Lots of power and homers, Mr. October, but literally the career leader in strikeouts, which held down his OPS. Yastrzemski's power fell off dramatically after age 31...his OPS surpassed .800 only four times in the last 14 years of his career. He led the league in 35 categories by age 30, after age 30 just two. His HoF years were his first decade. Boggs, similar story with less power. Hall of Fame credentials were in the first 40% of his career when he led the league 24 separate times, including five batting crowns, and six OBP seasons. After age 31, he led the league in intentional base on balls three times. George Brett, similar story. Gwynn was a low-power hitter who led the league eight times in batting average, why he's in the HoF. Of the players you suggest, Al Kaline was closest in profile to the players I suggested. He did his hitting in an era when there was very little hitting, so he deserved the HoF. He lead the league in batting, hits, doubles, OBP and OPS one time each.
My point is that if you remove Coors Field stats, Walker's statistics are very similar to Canseco, Olerud, Cash, Hamilton and Tartabull, at a minimum. They were power hitters from close to the same time period. Walker gets the HoF, the others don't. Maybe if they'd played in Coors Field, they would have made the HoF.
Olerud was not a power hitter (career high of 24) and Cash's career ended in 1974, 15 years before Walker's began, in addition to being a one dimensional first baseman, unlike Walker who was a multidimensional outfielder. As I hope you know, Walker was not merely a "slugger" (such as Tartabull), he was a seven time gold glove winner with one of the best throwing arms in baseball as well as a tremendous baserunner. He actually was similar in profile to Canseco and Hamilton, who were hall of fame talents who didn't care for their talent properly.
I guess I don't understand the excuses as to why Walker's non-Coors hitting statistics being better than Brett, Gwynn, Reggie, Griffey Jr. and Boggs are invalidated by being different types of players, or because they fell off in the second half of their careers. The good news is that modern general managers such as Farhan objectively analyze the game along the lines that I have instead of trying to craft narratives to fit their preconceptions.
