[Mick]

Doesn't surprise me Detroit is getting hit hard.  Not a hygienic city, based upon my observations during the four years that I lived there.  And their governor is an idiot.

I got called out for calling politicians names, but at least I gave specific examples to back up what I said.  What's Whitmer done wrong?  Or are you just following Trump's leads.

Also, what the f*** does how dirty a city is have to do with virus spread?  Wuhan looked squeaky clean in all the pictures of it I saw.  Even New York City is pretty clean now--certainly compared to how it used to be in the 70s and 80s.

I PM'd you my personal experience with and knowledge of Gov. Whitmer, along with the 800 or so folks with whom I worked that had personal knowledge of her.

And by dirty, I mean hygienic practices of its citizens, not the fact that the streets were dirty.  I spent four years living in Detroit proper.  I've been in all of the Top 50 cities in the USA, I grew up in Silicon Valley.  Based upon the unhealthy behavior of the citizens I've seen in Detroit, I'm not remotely surprised that the virus blew through that metro region as quickly as it did.

https://www.businessinsider.com/unhealth...lth-2020-1

I can't see your PM but you said hygienic and then shared a link that had nothing to do with hygiene.

"Detroit has the highest percentage of cigarette smokers in the country, and it's home to some of the most stressed people in the country, with 40.4% reporting feeling stressed or extremely stressed."

"And much of that stress is money-related: More than half of residents — 52.1% — reported feeling financial stress."

I sent you the same PM I sent to Burger. I don't want to post it on the open board. If anyone else is interested in my observations on Gov. Whitmer, I'm happy to share them privately.

As far as Detroit hygiene goes, my point wasn't the two bullet points you cited, but let's address them. My point was that Detroit is #2 among unhealthiest cities. My comment was based on my personal observations over the course of living there for four years. And BTW, you cited the smoking statistic, that Detroit has the highest percentage of cigarette smokers. I didn't get past calculus, but I don't think it takes a math genius to extrapolate the fact that the prevalence of smoking in that city might, just MIGHT lead to a prevalence of comorbidity factors; e.g., heart failure, hypertension. I don't think of smokers as being particularly hygienic. I actually think the opposite, that they're careless with their hygiene at best. And it's a poor, violent city with the second highest violent crime per capita rate and the third highest murder per capita rate in America. Does stress correlate to the immune system? Why don't we ask the doctors on the board. My doctor at PAMF always told me that it did, but maybe he was an outlier.

As far as hygiene goes, I'll share one bullet point. My current firm has had hand sanitizer, soap and mouthwash in all the bathrooms in all of their offices since I arrived here long before the coronavirus. My former firm based in Detroit had neither sanitizer nor mouthwash and was so frequently out of soap that we used to joke about it. Minor point, but there are other minor points. So I'm not surprised it blew through Detroit.

[Mick]

Doesn't surprise me Detroit is getting hit hard.  Not a hygienic city, based upon my observations during the four years that I lived there.  And their governor is an idiot.

I got called out for calling politicians names, but at least I gave specific examples to back up what I said.  What's Whitmer done wrong?  Or are you just following Trump's leads.

Also, what the f*** does how dirty a city is have to do with virus spread?  Wuhan looked squeaky clean in all the pictures of it I saw.  Even New York City is pretty clean now--certainly compared to how it used to be in the 70s and 80s.

I PM'd you my personal experience with and knowledge of Gov. Whitmer, along with the 800 or so folks with whom I worked that had personal knowledge of her.

And by dirty, I mean hygienic practices of its citizens, not the fact that the streets were dirty.  I spent four years living in Detroit proper.  I've been in all of the Top 50 cities in the USA, I grew up in Silicon Valley.  Based upon the unhealthy behavior of the citizens I've seen in Detroit, I'm not remotely surprised that the virus blew through that metro region as quickly as it did.

https://www.businessinsider.com/unhealth...lth-2020-1

I can't see your PM but you said hygienic and then shared a link that had nothing to do with hygiene.

"Detroit has the highest percentage of cigarette smokers in the country, and it's home to some of the most stressed people in the country, with 40.4% reporting feeling stressed or extremely stressed."

"And much of that stress is money-related: More than half of residents — 52.1% — reported feeling financial stress."

I sent you the same PM I sent to Burger. I don't want to post it on the open board. If anyone else is interested in my observations on Gov. Whitmer, I'm happy to share them privately.

As far as Detroit hygiene goes, my point wasn't the two bullet points you cited, but let's address them. My point was that Detroit is #2 among unhealthiest cities. My comment was based on my personal observations over the course of living there for four years. And BTW, you cited the smoking statistic, that Detroit has the highest percentage of cigarette smokers. I didn't get past calculus, but I don't think it takes a math genius to extrapolate the fact that the prevalence of smoking in that city might, just MIGHT lead to a prevalence of comorbidity factors; e.g., heart failure, hypertension. I don't think of smokers as being particularly hygienic. I actually think the opposite, that they're careless with their hygiene at best. And it's a poor, violent city with the second highest violent crime per capita rate and the third highest murder per capita rate in America. Does stress correlate to the immune system? Why don't we ask the doctors on the board. My doctor at PAMF always told me that it did, but maybe he was an outlier.

As far as hygiene goes, I'll share one bullet point. My current firm has had hand sanitizer, soap and mouthwash in all the bathrooms in all of their offices since I arrived here long before the coronavirus. My former firm based in Detroit had neither sanitizer nor mouthwash and was so frequently out of soap that we used to joke about it. Minor point, but there are other minor points. So I'm not surprised it blew through Detroit.