[Genuine Realist]

GR, every country you dismiss as either being too small or too close to China to be a fair comparison. So the only fair comparisons are the larger nations of Europe? That's... not a large sample size. If you're going to insist on only looking at wealthy non-Asian democracies with populations >60M

Someone mentioned Canada and you didn't respond at all. Seems pretty relevant as a fairly large, pluralistic, wealthy, north American country, that has 40% of the deaths per capita as us.

But, ultimately, the whole thing is pointless. You've clearly decided ahead of time what the parameters of the game are, and ignore anything going against what you want to conclude. Even by your own timeline the other countries reacted weeks ahead of Trump. You say that Germany quickly switched gears after their first covid death. The first US covid death known at the time was in late February, but our declaration of emergency wasn't until two weeks later. And, as far as I'm aware, the US still isn't coordinating supply at a federal level (just today I saw that London Breed claimed that FEMA confiscated SF-ordered masks).

It's even more ironic that, during the time you're working so feverishly to convince us that the US response was adequate, the president goes out and does something that literally makes people drink bleach.



And teejers, the fact that you can't tell the difference between "open up BeCaUsE tHe EcOnOmY" and "well I guess our public officials are such failures that the best we're going to be able to do is a controlled burn until we get to herd immunity" tells us all we need to know about your analytical skills.

I'm not responding because I said last post, and I meant it.

'Declarations of emergency' are legalistic. They basically are predicates for various actions that the government can take. It's the time when action that is taken that matters. Germany went into overall lockdown mode during the same period the US did. In any case, during the January-March time period, it no more got ahead of the curve than any other nation. I notice you did not comment on the various pronouncements of Health Minister Spahn, which were relatively equivalent to Trump's, and made well into February.

Here's the Canadian timeline. It's not materially different than the US - growing awareness and half-measures in January, an airlift on January 29th, various ad hoc measures in February (nothing comprehensive), followed by more drastic government and business closures starting - as always - March 10th. Canada's experience and reactions are not materially different than the US.

[Genuine Realist]

GR, every country you dismiss as either being too small or too close to China to be a fair comparison. So the only fair comparisons are the larger nations of Europe? That's... not a large sample size. If you're going to insist on only looking at wealthy non-Asian democracies with populations >60M

Someone mentioned Canada and you didn't respond at all. Seems pretty relevant as a fairly large, pluralistic, wealthy, north American country, that has 40% of the deaths per capita as us.

But, ultimately, the whole thing is pointless. You've clearly decided ahead of time what the parameters of the game are, and ignore anything going against what you want to conclude. Even by your own timeline the other countries reacted weeks ahead of Trump. You say that Germany quickly switched gears after their first covid death. The first US covid death known at the time was in late February, but our declaration of emergency wasn't until two weeks later. And, as far as I'm aware, the US still isn't coordinating supply at a federal level (just today I saw that London Breed claimed that FEMA confiscated SF-ordered masks).

It's even more ironic that, during the time you're working so feverishly to convince us that the US response was adequate, the president goes out and does something that literally makes people drink bleach.



And teejers, the fact that you can't tell the difference between "open up BeCaUsE tHe EcOnOmY" and "well I guess our public officials are such failures that the best we're going to be able to do is a controlled burn until we get to herd immunity" tells us all we need to know about your analytical skills.

I'm not responding because I said last post, and I meant it.

'Declarations of emergency' are legalistic. They basically are predicates for various actions that the government can take. It's the time when action that is taken that matters. Germany went into overall lockdown mode during the same period the US did. In any case, during the January-March time period, it no more got ahead of the curve than any other nation. I notice you did not comment on the various pronouncements of Health Minister Spahn, which were relatively equivalent to Trump's, and made well into February.

Here's the Canadian timeline. It's not materially different than the US - growing awareness and half-measures in January, an airlift on January 29th, various ad hoc measures in February (nothing comprehensive), followed by more drastic government and business closures starting - as always - March 10th. Canada's experience and reactions are not materially different than the US.