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I mean, I'm hopeful for Haase as well, but until he develops the team into a consistent winner, I would take Shaw's results (warts and all) all day every day before I take Haase's. I mean, Haase has had four seasons at Stanford and the furthest he's ever gotten was the second round of the NIT (he got cheated out of a return by coronavirus).  The guy has exactly one winning Pac-12 season, which is exactly how many losing seasons Shaw has.

Maybe in three or four years, after Haase has made it deep into the NCAA tourney a couple times and Shaw has gone bowl-less several times, it would be time to re-assess, but for goodness sakes, let's actually see proof that Haase can lead the program to the tourney before we anoint him as the more likely to be successful coach.

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Of course, Haase has a lot to prove. But, remember, Shaw inherited a program that was ranked 4th in the nation after its bowl game. Haase inherited a program that was irrelevant. Or, for those car fans out there, Shaw inherited a Ferrari and appears to be morphing it into a Pinto.

Haase is in his fourth year in the program.  He was able to turn over the entire roster this last year, and while it was a pleasantly surprising year, he still didn't have a winning conference record (in a pretty bad conference) and probably was not headed to the tournament.

In Shaw's fifth year, we went to the Rose Bowl and beat Iowa.  Even if you want to say that Shaw inherited some key redshirt freshmen that Harbaugh recruited, remember that two years later, he won the Pac-12 North.  Willingham's Rose Bowl aside, I wonder how many football coaches since my birth would have even made it to the Pac-12 conference tournament (had there been divisions).

You guys forget that even this last year, as horrible as it was, was what we saw almost every year between 2001 and 2008.  Even "successful" coaches like Willingham (3 losing seasons in 7) and Walsh (2 losing seasons in 5) didn't drive Ferraris.

Out of the last 10 coaches in Stanford's history, five (Harris, Teevens, Green, Elway, and Wiggin) had losing records for their Stanford career.  Shaw had a losing record for one year, out of nine!

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I mean, I'm hopeful for Haase as well, but until he develops the team into a consistent winner, I would take Shaw's results (warts and all) all day every day before I take Haase's. I mean, Haase has had four seasons at Stanford and the furthest he's ever gotten was the second round of the NIT (he got cheated out of a return by coronavirus).  The guy has exactly one winning Pac-12 season, which is exactly how many losing seasons Shaw has.

Maybe in three or four years, after Haase has made it deep into the NCAA tourney a couple times and Shaw has gone bowl-less several times, it would be time to re-assess, but for goodness sakes, let's actually see proof that Haase can lead the program to the tourney before we anoint him as the more likely to be successful coach.

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Of course, Haase has a lot to prove. But, remember, Shaw inherited a program that was ranked 4th in the nation after its bowl game. Haase inherited a program that was irrelevant. Or, for those car fans out there, Shaw inherited a Ferrari and appears to be morphing it into a Pinto.

Haase is in his fourth year in the program.  He was able to turn over the entire roster this last year, and while it was a pleasantly surprising year, he still didn't have a winning conference record (in a pretty bad conference) and probably was not headed to the tournament.

In Shaw's fifth year, we went to the Rose Bowl and beat Iowa.  Even if you want to say that Shaw inherited some key redshirt freshmen that Harbaugh recruited, remember that two years later, he won the Pac-12 North.  Willingham's Rose Bowl aside, I wonder how many football coaches since my birth would have even made it to the Pac-12 conference tournament (had there been divisions).

You guys forget that even this last year, as horrible as it was, was what we saw almost every year between 2001 and 2008.  Even "successful" coaches like Willingham (3 losing seasons in 7) and Walsh (2 losing seasons in 5) didn't drive Ferraris.

Out of the last 10 coaches in Stanford's history, five (Harris, Teevens, Green, Elway, and Wiggin) had losing records for their Stanford career.  Shaw had a losing record for one year, out of nine!

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