[Genuine Realist]

How are Italy and Spain and Greece keeping the lid on this while the US isn't? None of those countries have public health care systems better than the US, let alone anything close to the CDC. They aren't exactly cultures famed for compliance with authority. They don't have anything close to our financial might. 

They, along with the rest of Europe, had the determination from their government to attack this thing and defeat it. We had a populist anti-science moron, like Bolsonaro, running our response, dividing his nation and actively making things worse by discouraging masks and seemingly trying to slow testing roll out.

My position had to do with responses during the January-March time frame, and I'll stick with that. This was during the time period when clinical information was developing. I think the gating factor was knowledge, not politics. I invite anyone to check the timelines for themselves. No one did.

HOWEVER, by mid-March, the pattern was known, the need for social distancing,  and lately, masking. Trump has been a disaster.

[Genuine Realist]

How are Italy and Spain and Greece keeping the lid on this while the US isn't? None of those countries have public health care systems better than the US, let alone anything close to the CDC. They aren't exactly cultures famed for compliance with authority. They don't have anything close to our financial might. 

They, along with the rest of Europe, had the determination from their government to attack this thing and defeat it. We had a populist anti-science moron, like Bolsonaro, running our response, dividing his nation and actively making things worse by discouraging masks and seemingly trying to slow testing roll out.

My position had to do with responses during the January-March time frame, and I'll stick with that. This was during the time period when clinical information was developing. I think the gating factor was knowledge, not politics. I invite anyone to check the timelines for themselves. No one did.

HOWEVER, by mid-March, the pattern was known, the need for social distancing,  and lately, masking. Trump has been a disaster.